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Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
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GoBucky
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
The thing about polls I was never quit clear on is what are the voters actually voting on. Is it who they think has had the best season so far, is it who they think is the beast team at that moment, who they think will win it all? I’m not sure that is spelled out to the voters. Anyone know?
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
You know, I've been seeing this "polls don't matter" stuff repeated over and over again on this site and frankly I find it very disturbing. You all do realize that the ENTIRE WORLD (accept the Swiss, who everyone hates anyway) was plunged into bitter WAR, directly as a result of Hitler's invasion of Poll Land. I'm sick of this biggotted attitude toward Polls! It must stop! Where's the humanity!?
If we can't learn the lessons history has provided, how can we ever expect to have peace in our time!?!
The polls don't matter.. The polls don't matter...
You know, I've been seeing this "polls don't matter" stuff repeated over and over again on this site and frankly I find it very disturbing. You all do realize that the ENTIRE WORLD (accept the Swiss, who everyone hates anyway) was plunged into bitter WAR, directly as a result of Hitler's invasion of Poll Land. I'm sick of this biggotted attitude toward Polls! It must stop! Where's the humanity!?
If we can't learn the lessons history has provided, how can we ever expect to have peace in our time!?!Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
Harder schedule than the three teams ahead of us?
Harder schedule than the three teams ahead of us?
ganzhimself
1,2,3,4,5,6! We Want More!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
Just looking at it from ther perspective of other sports, if Wisconsin is #4 in the Big Ten in bouncyball or football, they're not going to be #1 in the national bouncyball poll or the football poll... Why is hockey any different?
Ok, in some cases I suppose you could fall to 4th place in the WCHA if your team is on a bye or playing a nonconference series, but since Wisconsin, and the teams above them in the WCHA have all played 18 games conference games, the fact remains that we're #4 in the conference.
Harder schedule than the three teams ahead of us?
Just looking at it from ther perspective of other sports, if Wisconsin is #4 in the Big Ten in bouncyball or football, they're not going to be #1 in the national bouncyball poll or the football poll... Why is hockey any different?
Ok, in some cases I suppose you could fall to 4th place in the WCHA if your team is on a bye or playing a nonconference series, but since Wisconsin, and the teams above them in the WCHA have all played 18 games conference games, the fact remains that we're #4 in the conference.
VarsityWisconsin
Registered User
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
Well the TUC discussion exposes a major flaw in the PWR. Why the heck is there an arbitrary line drawn at #25? The difference between the 25th and 26th team is huge according to the PWR computer, but for real there really isn't much difference. I hope the KRACH gets implemented one of these years.
Well the TUC discussion exposes a major flaw in the PWR. Why the heck is there an arbitrary line drawn at #25? The difference between the 25th and 26th team is huge according to the PWR computer, but for real there really isn't much difference. I hope the KRACH gets implemented one of these years.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
KRACH will never be implemented by the NCAA selection committee.
KRACH will never be implemented by the NCAA selection committee.
badgerhawk
Tools in the thread!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
But yet, you get all bent out of shape over them.
about time you realize that
because uw14 says so
But yet, you get all bent out of shape over them.
about time you realize that
because uw14 says so
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
Please don't forget that Hilter and Stalin split the Poles prior to Germany's invasion, and actually Russia moved in from the eastand Germany from the west. Both thought they were getting a buffer zone from eachother. And now we have the USCHO Pole and the USA Today Pole.
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I have never liked the idea that a team in a poll is ranked ahead of a team they are behind in the conference standings. I really don't pay attention to other polls than Football, and there you never really see that there. I don't think you see it in bb either.
The polls don't matter.. The polls don't matter...
You know, I've been seeing this "polls don't matter" stuff repeated over and over again on this site and frankly I find it very disturbing. You all do realize that the ENTIRE WORLD (accept the Swiss, who everyone hates anyway) was plunged into bitter WAR, directly as a result of Hitler's invasion of Poll Land. I'm sick of this biggotted attitude toward Polls! It must stop! Where's the humanity!?
Please don't forget that Hilter and Stalin split the Poles prior to Germany's invasion, and actually Russia moved in from the eastand Germany from the west. Both thought they were getting a buffer zone from eachother. And now we have the USCHO Pole and the USA Today Pole.
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I have never liked the idea that a team in a poll is ranked ahead of a team they are behind in the conference standings. I really don't pay attention to other polls than Football, and there you never really see that there. I don't think you see it in bb either.
dvgmacdonald
New member
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
I really hope you're wrong about Street playing on the top line. I only saw Friday's game this week, but things sure seemed to look up in the 3rd when Murray & Street got switched. Playing with Blake doesn't seem to suit Street. On the other hand, with the way Stepan & Davies create he seems to get more good chances.
I too miss the Mitchell-Dolan-Grotting line from last year. I hope it ends up as the 4th line, though. Those guys can create a lot of havoc and inject some energy into a game. Also, maybe moving Mitchell down to the 4th line will hurt his pride & he'll come with a little more energy. Last year the kid was a wrecking ball, this year he's solid, but never seems to have a game changing shift.
I really hope you're wrong about Street playing on the top line. I only saw Friday's game this week, but things sure seemed to look up in the 3rd when Murray & Street got switched. Playing with Blake doesn't seem to suit Street. On the other hand, with the way Stepan & Davies create he seems to get more good chances.
I too miss the Mitchell-Dolan-Grotting line from last year. I hope it ends up as the 4th line, though. Those guys can create a lot of havoc and inject some energy into a game. Also, maybe moving Mitchell down to the 4th line will hurt his pride & he'll come with a little more energy. Last year the kid was a wrecking ball, this year he's solid, but never seems to have a game changing shift.
Chuck Schwartz
New member
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
I agree 100%. Although didn't Murray switch spots with Street for Saturday?
I agree 100%. Although didn't Murray switch spots with Street for Saturday?
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
Yes, those systems are designed to look at the whole body of work. Obviously, since the season is in progress, they can only look back at the data collected to date.
As for the recent results, the PWR used to have a Last 10 category - measuring how you did coming down the stretch. It's a poor criteria for several reasons - one, hot teams are probably a good bet to win, but that's not what selection should be based on. Selection should be based on a fair assessment of the entire season. Two, the strength of schedule would vary wildly amongst those last ten games. It's not fair for a team from a weaker conference to coast through the end of their season, while a bubble team in the WCHA could have a 3 game playoff series with another tough team, plus 3 more tough games at the Final Five - how hot you are can depend a lot on who you're playing, and that criteria never addressed that. Three, how do you define this? Any time barrier would be arbitrary, and not really fair.
In the end, simply assessing all of the season is the only real way to do it.
Yes, those systems are designed to look at the whole body of work. Obviously, since the season is in progress, they can only look back at the data collected to date.
As for the recent results, the PWR used to have a Last 10 category - measuring how you did coming down the stretch. It's a poor criteria for several reasons - one, hot teams are probably a good bet to win, but that's not what selection should be based on. Selection should be based on a fair assessment of the entire season. Two, the strength of schedule would vary wildly amongst those last ten games. It's not fair for a team from a weaker conference to coast through the end of their season, while a bubble team in the WCHA could have a 3 game playoff series with another tough team, plus 3 more tough games at the Final Five - how hot you are can depend a lot on who you're playing, and that criteria never addressed that. Three, how do you define this? Any time barrier would be arbitrary, and not really fair.
In the end, simply assessing all of the season is the only real way to do it.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
Thanks Blockski, you make excellent points. I actually think the PWR works reasonably well on the last day of the season and have no major complaints really. (except that year UW was 17th.) I was thinking of how to better answer the question of "who is the best team in the country TODAY?" which (in my mind at least) is more the question the USCHO/USA TODAY polls try to answer. (see? Today is right there in the title!) Which is also why "they don't matter", because in terms of who is going to get in the NCAA's or win the title in the future, they don't. Many will say "Who cares? The championship is all that matters!" And rightly so. Except that as a fan in January, I care, dammit! For no meaningful reason. Which is why it's so important!
I forgot about the Last 10 PWR thing, thanks for bringing it up. As you point out, any arbitrary time barrier is bound to problematic. (Like the TUC being 25. Why not 27, or 18, or 35?) Which is why I suggested progressively weighting the importance of each game for the whole season. Week one get's .001; week 2, .002; etc. The other PWR factors (like that stupid TUC!) would still not overly reward a team for a late 6 win hot streak against the bottom teams,( although I think hotness should always be rewarded!) but beating a top team in February would count slightly more then beating them in your home opener. The thinking being that (barring players injury, suspension, randomly exploding.) most, if not all, college teams progress quite a lot as the season goes on, and this is glaringly not accounted for in a way I can see clearly.
Lastly, I've done the math with this adjusted system and the Badgers have been #1 for 27 straight years. So obviously it works.
Thanks Blockski, you make excellent points. I actually think the PWR works reasonably well on the last day of the season and have no major complaints really. (except that year UW was 17th.) I was thinking of how to better answer the question of "who is the best team in the country TODAY?" which (in my mind at least) is more the question the USCHO/USA TODAY polls try to answer. (see? Today is right there in the title!) Which is also why "they don't matter", because in terms of who is going to get in the NCAA's or win the title in the future, they don't. Many will say "Who cares? The championship is all that matters!" And rightly so. Except that as a fan in January, I care, dammit! For no meaningful reason. Which is why it's so important!
I forgot about the Last 10 PWR thing, thanks for bringing it up. As you point out, any arbitrary time barrier is bound to problematic. (Like the TUC being 25. Why not 27, or 18, or 35?) Which is why I suggested progressively weighting the importance of each game for the whole season. Week one get's .001; week 2, .002; etc. The other PWR factors (like that stupid TUC!) would still not overly reward a team for a late 6 win hot streak against the bottom teams,( although I think hotness should always be rewarded!) but beating a top team in February would count slightly more then beating them in your home opener. The thinking being that (barring players injury, suspension, randomly exploding.) most, if not all, college teams progress quite a lot as the season goes on, and this is glaringly not accounted for in a way I can see clearly.
Lastly, I've done the math with this adjusted system and the Badgers have been #1 for 27 straight years. So obviously it works.
GoBucky
Registered User
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
Scooter mishap sidelines Bendickson
http://host.madison.com/sports/college/hockey/article_5f76c0c6-0af3-11df-9c3d-001cc4c03286.html
Scooter mishap sidelines Bendickson
http://host.madison.com/sports/college/hockey/article_5f76c0c6-0af3-11df-9c3d-001cc4c03286.html
VarsityWisconsin
Registered User
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
Smith is still a little banged up as well. Hopefully both can play this weekend.
Smith is still a little banged up as well. Hopefully both can play this weekend.
Chuck Schwartz
New member
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
Doesn't the UW provide them to all student atheletes?
Doesn't the UW provide them to all student atheletes?
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!
I don't know if they provide them, per se, or just facilitate students getting them.
I know plenty of coaches cringe when they see their athletes on them, though.
I don't know if they provide them, per se, or just facilitate students getting them.
I know plenty of coaches cringe when they see their athletes on them, though.
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No the Athletic Department does not provide scooters to their athletes. Part of the reason why most of the athletes have scooters is that have such a limited window of time when they can take classes during each day. You can not take back to back classes on opposite ends of the campus without some means of transportation, and these times may be the only way to fit something into their schedule and still get to practice on time.
Or the other reason may be that since their parents don't have to shell out $20,000 per year on tuition, room n board and books, they may have a few bucks left for a scooter!
No the Athletic Department does not provide scooters to their athletes. Part of the reason why most of the athletes have scooters is that have such a limited window of time when they can take classes during each day. You can not take back to back classes on opposite ends of the campus without some means of transportation, and these times may be the only way to fit something into their schedule and still get to practice on time.
Or the other reason may be that since their parents don't have to shell out $20,000 per year on tuition, room n board and books, they may have a few bucks left for a scooter!
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