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Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
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Mutual respect (and hate, well and love I think) in the triumvirate cause all 3 fanbases love, respect, expect and demand good hockey!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
And I tip a Fair State/Humble Forager (who is based in WI, due to MN distro laws) Pastry Stout to you. Yeah, we fancy up in here.
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...and I tip another labatt, err bottle o’ thinner.
And I tip a Fair State/Humble Forager (who is based in WI, due to MN distro laws) Pastry Stout to you. Yeah, we fancy up in here.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
That is one thing that I like. We all hate each other, but there is nothing but respect for the history of the programs. My wife is a UND fan and we have great banter about it, but know that the sport isn't the same without both of them at the top of the game. My in-laws are all UM fans and I give them grief, but we're all suffering at this point. The game just isn't the same right now.
That is one thing that I like. We all hate each other, but there is nothing but respect for the history of the programs. My wife is a UND fan and we have great banter about it, but know that the sport isn't the same without both of them at the top of the game. My in-laws are all UM fans and I give them grief, but we're all suffering at this point. The game just isn't the same right now.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
My rule is, pre game and during game, F YOU AND ALL OF YOUR FANS, ALL THE TRASH TALK, INSULTS, ETC. After? Hey, wanna grab a beer? And I don't poke the bear after a loss.
My rule is, pre game and during game, F YOU AND ALL OF YOUR FANS, ALL THE TRASH TALK, INSULTS, ETC. After? Hey, wanna grab a beer? And I don't poke the bear after a loss.
digitalbooya
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
You couldn't be more right about the forwards being an issue defensively. Check out this tweet from Todd Milewski:
https://twitter.com/ToddMilewski/status/1198057264634093574?s=20
Sure looks like a forward (likely Turcotte) blew his defensive assignment and was cherry picking a bit. Caufield cherry picks a lot, but as a winger you can get away with doing that.
You couldn't be more right about the forwards being an issue defensively. Check out this tweet from Todd Milewski:
https://twitter.com/ToddMilewski/status/1198057264634093574?s=20
Sure looks like a forward (likely Turcotte) blew his defensive assignment and was cherry picking a bit. Caufield cherry picks a lot, but as a winger you can get away with doing that.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
I did some calculations. Take them for what they're worth.
Mike Eaves' final 4 years....
Winning percentage - 46.3%.
2 NCAA appearances.
Tony Granato's (approx) 3.5 years.
Winning percentage - 47.9%
(Probably) 0 NCAA appearances.
That's south of .500 for at least 8 years without improvement.
A couple here might say it's not a fair comparison. Life in sports isn't fair.
I did some calculations. Take them for what they're worth.
Mike Eaves' final 4 years....
Winning percentage - 46.3%.
2 NCAA appearances.
Tony Granato's (approx) 3.5 years.
Winning percentage - 47.9%
(Probably) 0 NCAA appearances.
That's south of .500 for at least 8 years without improvement.
A couple here might say it's not a fair comparison. Life in sports isn't fair.
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digitalbooya
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
Mike Eaves was and still is a better coach than Tony Granato. He just didn't get the recruiting aspect of the job and that is pretty important. Right now we have the complete opposite, bad coaching but pretty good recruiting.
Mike Eaves was and still is a better coach than Tony Granato. He just didn't get the recruiting aspect of the job and that is pretty important. Right now we have the complete opposite, bad coaching but pretty good recruiting.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
So where on your fans? Your guys cant draw flies any more. Must going to the Wild and high school games. We are having attendance problems too but not like that. Thats really bad Gopher fans. Must have moved to football.
Your prices are too high for one.
Besides your lack of teeth and love of paint thinner, we're really not.
So where on your fans? Your guys cant draw flies any more. Must going to the Wild and high school games. We are having attendance problems too but not like that. Thats really bad Gopher fans. Must have moved to football.
Your prices are too high for one.
trixR4kids
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
Yeah I probably wouldn’t be sold on Granato as the long term coach of this team either but you also need to consider the fact that his team has had below average goaltending for a while now. Obviously that falls on the coach too because they recruit the goalies, the goalie coach, etc. but there’s also only so much you can do as a coach to fix that, especially in college where recruiting mistakes last for a while.
This program used to be a hotbed for goalie talent but that’s been gone for a while now. Bring back Bill Howard?
Yeah I probably wouldn’t be sold on Granato as the long term coach of this team either but you also need to consider the fact that his team has had below average goaltending for a while now. Obviously that falls on the coach too because they recruit the goalies, the goalie coach, etc. but there’s also only so much you can do as a coach to fix that, especially in college where recruiting mistakes last for a while.
This program used to be a hotbed for goalie talent but that’s been gone for a while now. Bring back Bill Howard?
trixR4kids
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It’s a weird combination of no shows in the high priced areas combined with a lack of ability to gain new fans because the team isn’t great and they don’t do a ton to engage fans outside of the student section in any way. Pricing is certainly a factor for the latter, I have friends who went to the U and like hockey, they could walk to the stadium but just have zero interest in going and price is usually the first thing that comes up.
I’ve been arguing that they need to figure out a way to do better in that area, the local MLS team seems to have figured this out, they have some back and forth chants among sections of the crowd for instance, badger games they have that guy holding up signs and getting fans to cheer. Unfortunately I haven’t seen much of anything change there for gopher hockey and at some point relying on a tradition doesn’t really work when the team is no longer a dominant program and all the other changes to college hockey and the conference realignment that have been talked about ad nauseum.
digitalbooya
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
It's Granato's coaching style that screws over Lebedeff. Let's have three guys fly the zone, have the dman turn the puck over and then end with the puck in our net. I can't believe Granato hasn't figured it out yet. He's literally living off a winning record from an absolutely stacked Colorado Avalanche team. He is not a good coach. Hopefully the time to move on comes sooner rather than later.
Yeah I probably wouldn’t be sold on Granato as the long term coach of this team either but you also need to consider the fact that his team has had below average goaltending for a while now. Obviously that falls on the coach too because they recruit the goalies, the goalie coach, etc. but there’s also only so much you can do as a coach to fix that, especially in college where recruiting mistakes last for a while.
This program used to be a hotbed for goalie talent but that’s been gone for a while now. Bring back Bill Howard?
It's Granato's coaching style that screws over Lebedeff. Let's have three guys fly the zone, have the dman turn the puck over and then end with the puck in our net. I can't believe Granato hasn't figured it out yet. He's literally living off a winning record from an absolutely stacked Colorado Avalanche team. He is not a good coach. Hopefully the time to move on comes sooner rather than later.
trixR4kids
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
I get that those things are intertwined on some level but it's hard to argue that LaFontaine didn't outplay Lebedeff yesterday making a bunch of athletic saves on quality scoring opportunities where as Lebedeff let in at least one goal that was closer to a medium danger shot than high danger in my estimation (the first one). And when you're trailing because of being down 1 or more goals you don't really have any choice as a coach but to try and catch up and take more risks.
None of this is to say that Granato is a great coach or anything and I've already stipulated that it's his responsibility to improve things at that position but I think some of the assessment of his coaching would change dramatically if you had above average goaltending or a guy like Wilcox in net.
I get that those things are intertwined on some level but it's hard to argue that LaFontaine didn't outplay Lebedeff yesterday making a bunch of athletic saves on quality scoring opportunities where as Lebedeff let in at least one goal that was closer to a medium danger shot than high danger in my estimation (the first one). And when you're trailing because of being down 1 or more goals you don't really have any choice as a coach but to try and catch up and take more risks.
None of this is to say that Granato is a great coach or anything and I've already stipulated that it's his responsibility to improve things at that position but I think some of the assessment of his coaching would change dramatically if you had above average goaltending or a guy like Wilcox in net.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
They aren't coached to have the F's all fly the zone, they're coached to play as a unit of 5 as we've heard 1000 times from the staff now.
F's are just given the freedom to make decisions based on the situation on the fly, as opposed to Eaves much more structured rules of what you could or couldn't do. With Eaves you could almost just put some X's on the ice and that's where the F's were going to go on the exchange. That's sort of Lombardi style of saying "This is what we're going to do, but we're going to execute it so well you still won't stop us."
Granato is trying to play a pro style with a lot of reads. More like receivers and QB's reading the D and adjusting routes on the fly based on the situation. Mentally it's much harder I think, but very effective when everybody is on the same page. Why they aren't on the same page, why we have 3 F's flying the zone early, why they make some of the silly plays they do, is a conundrum. Seems like a lack of confidence in what they are doing system-wise, some panic and a belief they need to cheat the zone in order to score and get back in the game, sets in when they go down a goal or two. But that doesn't even make sense to me anymore, because when they play as a unit of five and on the same page, they've been really good and effective vs. anybody. I just do not get what the players are or aren't thinking.
They aren't coached to have the F's all fly the zone, they're coached to play as a unit of 5 as we've heard 1000 times from the staff now.
F's are just given the freedom to make decisions based on the situation on the fly, as opposed to Eaves much more structured rules of what you could or couldn't do. With Eaves you could almost just put some X's on the ice and that's where the F's were going to go on the exchange. That's sort of Lombardi style of saying "This is what we're going to do, but we're going to execute it so well you still won't stop us."
Granato is trying to play a pro style with a lot of reads. More like receivers and QB's reading the D and adjusting routes on the fly based on the situation. Mentally it's much harder I think, but very effective when everybody is on the same page. Why they aren't on the same page, why we have 3 F's flying the zone early, why they make some of the silly plays they do, is a conundrum. Seems like a lack of confidence in what they are doing system-wise, some panic and a belief they need to cheat the zone in order to score and get back in the game, sets in when they go down a goal or two. But that doesn't even make sense to me anymore, because when they play as a unit of five and on the same page, they've been really good and effective vs. anybody. I just do not get what the players are or aren't thinking.
solovsfett
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I’m beginning to agree with you on TG and i’m No longer sold on Osiecki.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
I'm not trying to be overly critical here, but just sharing an observation. TG made a comment in a pregame interview with Wally Shaver last night that surprised me. When asked what it's like to coach top end players like Turcotte and Caufield he stated, "my job is to prepare them for the NHL". Later in the pregame show Wally was joined by Pat Micheletti and Wally asked him if he agreed with Tony Granato and Pat said "absolutely not, a coaches responsibility is to lead your team to a national championship, not prepare them for the next level". I concur.
Granato played 380 games in a Kings uniform over the course of his 13-year NHL career, and he still has strong ties to the organization and his former teammates such as Rob Blake, Luc Robitaille, Nelson Emerson, Sean O'Donnell, Mike Donnelly, and Glen Murray. By his comment, there seems to be a potential conflict of interest with Turcotte, who is most likely destined for the LA Kings along with Caufield packing his gear for Montreal at season end. IMO it is not a NCAA coaches' responsibility to prepare players for the minors or the big show. But it is their responsibility to do whatever is necessary to recruit and develop student-athletes to compete with excellence and loyalty within the solidarity of an NCAA team effort to win NCAA championships. Anything less than that is a misplaced loyalty.
I'm not trying to be overly critical here, but just sharing an observation. TG made a comment in a pregame interview with Wally Shaver last night that surprised me. When asked what it's like to coach top end players like Turcotte and Caufield he stated, "my job is to prepare them for the NHL". Later in the pregame show Wally was joined by Pat Micheletti and Wally asked him if he agreed with Tony Granato and Pat said "absolutely not, a coaches responsibility is to lead your team to a national championship, not prepare them for the next level". I concur.
Granato played 380 games in a Kings uniform over the course of his 13-year NHL career, and he still has strong ties to the organization and his former teammates such as Rob Blake, Luc Robitaille, Nelson Emerson, Sean O'Donnell, Mike Donnelly, and Glen Murray. By his comment, there seems to be a potential conflict of interest with Turcotte, who is most likely destined for the LA Kings along with Caufield packing his gear for Montreal at season end. IMO it is not a NCAA coaches' responsibility to prepare players for the minors or the big show. But it is their responsibility to do whatever is necessary to recruit and develop student-athletes to compete with excellence and loyalty within the solidarity of an NCAA team effort to win NCAA championships. Anything less than that is a misplaced loyalty.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-2020: Time to Get Offensive
That assumes those two things, preparing a player for the NHL, and winning a NC, are at odds with each other. They don't have to be, in fact they probably aren't.
It's not an unfair observation but Granato certainly has been focused on getting the best players, and the best players are going where they can best prepare for the NHL I imagine, so I'm not certain whether it's a complete philosophy, or an advertisement.
I do think, if you know 18 year olds these days (I have one) that one of the most difficult assignments for a coach is getting them to buy into loyalty and the concept of playing for the pride in your school/team/program, etc.. The old name on the back is more important thing. They generally just don't think of institutions and traditions with the kind of reverence previous generations tended to and it's a harder sell. It's also a harder sell to get a kid who's on a pit stop to being a millionaire to buy in to the program the way that is necessary. A kid like Kunin was a bit of a throwback in that regard, (probably a big reason he's in the show) but seems more the exception.
That assumes those two things, preparing a player for the NHL, and winning a NC, are at odds with each other. They don't have to be, in fact they probably aren't.
It's not an unfair observation but Granato certainly has been focused on getting the best players, and the best players are going where they can best prepare for the NHL I imagine, so I'm not certain whether it's a complete philosophy, or an advertisement.
I do think, if you know 18 year olds these days (I have one) that one of the most difficult assignments for a coach is getting them to buy into loyalty and the concept of playing for the pride in your school/team/program, etc.. The old name on the back is more important thing. They generally just don't think of institutions and traditions with the kind of reverence previous generations tended to and it's a harder sell. It's also a harder sell to get a kid who's on a pit stop to being a millionaire to buy in to the program the way that is necessary. A kid like Kunin was a bit of a throwback in that regard, (probably a big reason he's in the show) but seems more the exception.
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