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Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
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Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
Was looking through some stats last week and I noted some of the Goals Against stats and then looked back to last year for comparison. I'm sure some of us were a little hard on Seamus Malone and Will Johnson from time to time throughout the season last year but one thing stood out to me that they didn't get credit for I don't think. Seamus was on the ice for 18 goals against and Will Johnson for just 11, that's all season, and despite playing top minutes all year. Dhooghe (-32), Baker (-32) Gorniak (-27) were the three F's with the most GA last year in 37 games with the team giving up 3.51 gpg.
By contrast, while giving up a similar 3.44 gpg, this year's F's- Turcotte -20 (in 16 games played); Caufield -20 (18gp); Baker -15 (18gp) Weissbach -14(18gp); Dhooghe -13 (18gp)
On D Miller and Kalynuk are -23 goals against. Only one player in the country (UAH's Christain Rajic -27) has been on the ice for more GA per game. Last year Kalynuk had -34 and Miller only -20 for the whole season.
So if you double the results so far (for a whole season), we get to some pretty big numbers for those guys. 40 goals against would have been in the top 8 in the country last year for the season and right now it appears we are on pace to put 5 players at or over that mark.
+/- has all kinds of flaws, of course, and just looking at minus needs even more context as certainly the more TOI you have the more goals against that are likely going to go on your tab. But I still thought it was significant that the big ice time guys have given up so much more compared to the departed Seniors, Malone and Johnson, all while the team isn't giving up more goals overall.
To be fair, Wyatt is +2 overall. Miller (-9) Turcotte (-9) Caufield (-5) Baker (-5) Weissbach (-2) Dhooghe (E)
Was looking through some stats last week and I noted some of the Goals Against stats and then looked back to last year for comparison. I'm sure some of us were a little hard on Seamus Malone and Will Johnson from time to time throughout the season last year but one thing stood out to me that they didn't get credit for I don't think. Seamus was on the ice for 18 goals against and Will Johnson for just 11, that's all season, and despite playing top minutes all year. Dhooghe (-32), Baker (-32) Gorniak (-27) were the three F's with the most GA last year in 37 games with the team giving up 3.51 gpg.
By contrast, while giving up a similar 3.44 gpg, this year's F's- Turcotte -20 (in 16 games played); Caufield -20 (18gp); Baker -15 (18gp) Weissbach -14(18gp); Dhooghe -13 (18gp)
On D Miller and Kalynuk are -23 goals against. Only one player in the country (UAH's Christain Rajic -27) has been on the ice for more GA per game. Last year Kalynuk had -34 and Miller only -20 for the whole season.
So if you double the results so far (for a whole season), we get to some pretty big numbers for those guys. 40 goals against would have been in the top 8 in the country last year for the season and right now it appears we are on pace to put 5 players at or over that mark.
+/- has all kinds of flaws, of course, and just looking at minus needs even more context as certainly the more TOI you have the more goals against that are likely going to go on your tab. But I still thought it was significant that the big ice time guys have given up so much more compared to the departed Seniors, Malone and Johnson, all while the team isn't giving up more goals overall.
To be fair, Wyatt is +2 overall. Miller (-9) Turcotte (-9) Caufield (-5) Baker (-5) Weissbach (-2) Dhooghe (E)
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
There's somethings a guy just shouldn't post....Timothy A meet Cliff, Cliff meet Timothy A.
There's somethings a guy just shouldn't post....Timothy A meet Cliff, Cliff meet Timothy A.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
Do you REALLY know what matters?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFKfQN5Y7Ds
Stats are fun, but they don't always mean ****. Just win, baby.
Do you REALLY know what matters?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFKfQN5Y7Ds
Stats are fun, but they don't always mean ****. Just win, baby.
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Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
It's not all bad news. It would appear (generally speaking) that while Turcotte's line is giving up goals at more than double the rate Malone's line did last year, most of the other F's are giving up goals at a much lower rate. So apparently, those guys have improved in that department. For example Gorniak was -27 ga last year and is now -8 ga at the halfway point. The exception perhaps being Baker who is on the pretty much the same poor pace.
Tony made the statement a week or two ago that some of the leaders were worrying about leading so much that they weren't taking care of their own business on the ice. Bakes might be an example of what Tony was getting at. He has been sort of the utility infielder, getting moved all over, especially with F's missing in 8 games, but still, he's been on the ice for way too many goals against again this year.
If that top line can either score a lot more, or slow down by half or so the goals against, the Badgers total goal differential is going to improve significantly it would seem. Talented freshman should improve in the second half. So maybe getting better results is not as big of an obstacle as it might otherwise be if you're needing all 20 guys to suddenly have a huge, dramatic improvement to their games. A few guys play better and a lot more complete games and the results could be there.
It's not all bad news. It would appear (generally speaking) that while Turcotte's line is giving up goals at more than double the rate Malone's line did last year, most of the other F's are giving up goals at a much lower rate. So apparently, those guys have improved in that department. For example Gorniak was -27 ga last year and is now -8 ga at the halfway point. The exception perhaps being Baker who is on the pretty much the same poor pace.
Tony made the statement a week or two ago that some of the leaders were worrying about leading so much that they weren't taking care of their own business on the ice. Bakes might be an example of what Tony was getting at. He has been sort of the utility infielder, getting moved all over, especially with F's missing in 8 games, but still, he's been on the ice for way too many goals against again this year.
If that top line can either score a lot more, or slow down by half or so the goals against, the Badgers total goal differential is going to improve significantly it would seem. Talented freshman should improve in the second half. So maybe getting better results is not as big of an obstacle as it might otherwise be if you're needing all 20 guys to suddenly have a huge, dramatic improvement to their games. A few guys play better and a lot more complete games and the results could be there.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
Tell that to all the Packer fans beeching up a storm because they are winning ugly.
Tell that to all the Packer fans beeching up a storm because they are winning ugly.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
That's what I'm talking about Timbo! Their stats suck; 22nd in offense, 10th in defense. SURPRISE! 11-3.
That's what I'm talking about Timbo! Their stats suck; 22nd in offense, 10th in defense. SURPRISE! 11-3.
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Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
Not all their stats suck. They are #1 or 2 in a few that are pretty big ones. Takeaway +/-; Red zone offense; FG %; Turnovers.
In other words: They put the puck in the net on their high quality chances, they don't turn it over, and they create turnovers. That's a winning formula!
Not all their stats suck. They are #1 or 2 in a few that are pretty big ones. Takeaway +/-; Red zone offense; FG %; Turnovers.
In other words: They put the puck in the net on their high quality chances, they don't turn it over, and they create turnovers. That's a winning formula!
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
WiscTJK
Well-known member
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
About right that then only thing good to talk about on this UW Hockey thread is the amazing run by the UW Volleyball team to the final four and the Packers......
I'll add another: Micah Potter suits up for the BB team on Saturday.
About right that then only thing good to talk about on this UW Hockey thread is the amazing run by the UW Volleyball team to the final four and the Packers......
I'll add another: Micah Potter suits up for the BB team on Saturday.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
I'm already upset with the athletic department for a few things, now this from the UW Band.....
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Sarah Marty <uwbandshow@music.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 5:13 PM
Subject: UW Varsity Band Spring Concert: Legacy Lists and the Ticket Pre-Sale
Dear Member of the Jack Rane Friends Group,
For Professor Leckrone's final Varsity Band Spring Concert in April 2019, pre-sales notifications were sent to a large number of legacy lists, many of which dated back to the 1980s. With Mike's retirement, we are retiring these legacy lists and moving all stewardship duties to UW Foundation as they have the staff and resources to communicate with donors and alums, plan and manage events, and maintain accurate records. As this year is a transition, I've included the pre-sale info at the bottom of this email for one last time.
Moving ahead, Varsity Band Spring Concert Ticket Pre-sales will only be available to the following groups:
Members of the UW Band Alumni Association (notification sent via the Echo email newsletter). The person to contact regarding UWBAA membership is Jeff Wendorf at the UW Foundation, at jeff.wendorf@supportuw.org.
Badger Band Donors who have given via the UW Foundation at/or above the designated amount ($2,500) that includes this benefit. You can become a donor via the link at: https://badgerband.com/donate/
Thank you for your understanding,
Sarah
Sarah Marty
Production Manager
UW Varsity Band Show
First of all Sarah, **** you, not thank you. The following is my response......
to uwbandshow
Ms. Marty;
I'm very disappointed, and actually pretty upset about your new policy. My wife and I fall into the category of the Legacy List attending since the 1980's. We have purchased many CDs and DVDs since they were offered. (Even vinyl back in the day). We have purchased clothing, bumper stickers, and caps.
As usual with the University of Wisconsin, only the very wealthy (another $2500 for the "privilege" ) will get first crack at your band show tickets to go along with hockey, basketball and football PSLs. Those of us who have been faithful for 30+ years, well once again the University of Wisconsin pushes us to the back of the line and ignores how loyal those of us are (were). This reeks of arrogance and 2020 will be our final year.
Great way to bring in a new band director and **** people off.
****** Rich***
Madison
--
"Give Blood, Play Hockey"
I'm already upset with the athletic department for a few things, now this from the UW Band.....
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Sarah Marty <uwbandshow@music.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 5:13 PM
Subject: UW Varsity Band Spring Concert: Legacy Lists and the Ticket Pre-Sale
Dear Member of the Jack Rane Friends Group,
For Professor Leckrone's final Varsity Band Spring Concert in April 2019, pre-sales notifications were sent to a large number of legacy lists, many of which dated back to the 1980s. With Mike's retirement, we are retiring these legacy lists and moving all stewardship duties to UW Foundation as they have the staff and resources to communicate with donors and alums, plan and manage events, and maintain accurate records. As this year is a transition, I've included the pre-sale info at the bottom of this email for one last time.
Moving ahead, Varsity Band Spring Concert Ticket Pre-sales will only be available to the following groups:
Members of the UW Band Alumni Association (notification sent via the Echo email newsletter). The person to contact regarding UWBAA membership is Jeff Wendorf at the UW Foundation, at jeff.wendorf@supportuw.org.
Badger Band Donors who have given via the UW Foundation at/or above the designated amount ($2,500) that includes this benefit. You can become a donor via the link at: https://badgerband.com/donate/
Thank you for your understanding,
Sarah
Sarah Marty
Production Manager
UW Varsity Band Show
First of all Sarah, **** you, not thank you. The following is my response......
to uwbandshow
Ms. Marty;
I'm very disappointed, and actually pretty upset about your new policy. My wife and I fall into the category of the Legacy List attending since the 1980's. We have purchased many CDs and DVDs since they were offered. (Even vinyl back in the day). We have purchased clothing, bumper stickers, and caps.
As usual with the University of Wisconsin, only the very wealthy (another $2500 for the "privilege" ) will get first crack at your band show tickets to go along with hockey, basketball and football PSLs. Those of us who have been faithful for 30+ years, well once again the University of Wisconsin pushes us to the back of the line and ignores how loyal those of us are (were). This reeks of arrogance and 2020 will be our final year.
Great way to bring in a new band director and **** people off.
****** Rich***
Madison
--
"Give Blood, Play Hockey"
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
Seriously, what the F.
Sadly, I can't say that I'm shocked by anything to do with higher education at this point.
Still, what a horrible way to treat long time supporters of the band.
Seriously, what the F.
Sadly, I can't say that I'm shocked by anything to do with higher education at this point.
Still, what a horrible way to treat long time supporters of the band.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
To say nothing about how much the band itself is disrespected by the staff at Camp Randall and the Kohl Center.
The play button on their PA system gets more respect.
To say nothing about how much the band itself is disrespected by the staff at Camp Randall and the Kohl Center.
The play button on their PA system gets more respect.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
What a complete lack of respect to longtime supporters. As usual it's all about the mighty fing $$$$. Like the U doesn't rake in enough money already.
What a complete lack of respect to longtime supporters. As usual it's all about the mighty fing $$$$. Like the U doesn't rake in enough money already.
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
...remembering the badger hockey showdown...1989 in Milwaukee, the atmosphere was electric and the team was on its way to title 5.
That was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
...remembering the badger hockey showdown...1989 in Milwaukee, the atmosphere was electric and the team was on its way to title 5.
That was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
solovsfett
Registered User
WiscTJK
Well-known member
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
First decade of losing since the 1930's. That's ridiculous and unacceptable..... Some of the other stat's Todd puts in there are also amazingly bad.
Quote from Kalynuk from the article:
In the minutes following that defeat, captain Wyatt Kalynuk considered a question on whether the Badgers possess the resiliency to face the challenges they have built for themselves in the second half.
"I don't think we've lost that all year," the junior defenseman said. "You look at our record and you can say what you want about it, but we've lost some games that could have gone either way. The difference could be four wins and four losses. So I'm not worried about our group."
First decade of losing since the 1930's. That's ridiculous and unacceptable..... Some of the other stat's Todd puts in there are also amazingly bad.
Quote from Kalynuk from the article:
In the minutes following that defeat, captain Wyatt Kalynuk considered a question on whether the Badgers possess the resiliency to face the challenges they have built for themselves in the second half.
"I don't think we've lost that all year," the junior defenseman said. "You look at our record and you can say what you want about it, but we've lost some games that could have gone either way. The difference could be four wins and four losses. So I'm not worried about our group."
solovsfett
Registered User
It’s absolutely unacceptable and it won’t be long before 20 and 30-year ticket holders start calling BA and give him an earful.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War
I saw the article link on Twitter and didn't even bother reading it. That's where I am right now. Sad. We don't need to read or listen to the coaches or players talk about it. Our eyes will tell us all we need to know next year.
I saw the article link on Twitter and didn't even bother reading it. That's where I am right now. Sad. We don't need to read or listen to the coaches or players talk about it. Our eyes will tell us all we need to know next year.
solovsfett
Registered User
Exactly!
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