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WISCONSIN HOCKEY 09-10 - Climbing The Mountain (7th Edition?)

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The problem is that he can't use the CCHA card again. The fact that MSU and UMI came to the talks with an open mind says all that needs to be said about the CCHA as a desired location.

Maturi's bigger concern is if a 6th B10 team ever actually starts a program because it's clear that the other 5 B10 schools would seriously consider the move and that would force MN's hand. That is why he had to go to the talks, because he has to make sure that MSU and UMI stay in the "no" camp on the BTHC given that OSU is strongly in favor of it (as would be any other new B10 program) and that he can't count on UW's support going forward as long as BA remains the AD.

The biggest issue is that it's easier to accept for non-hockey fans finishing fourth in the conference behind other B10 schools then it is the many D-III, D-II, D-I FCS or D-I non-football schools that comprise ~2/3 of the CCHA and WCHA membership. Hockey is unique in many respects that it isn't dominated by a small cabal of ~80 major programs that control Football and Basketball. It seems Alvarez isn't able to grasp that it is this unique aspect of hockey that is what hockey fans love and what makes them so passionate about the sport. I see this as being very similar as to what the NHL did, the failed to recognize that made the game great and tried to go more mainstream, and this is a major reason they has so many programs in financial difficulty in places that they shouldn't have ever been placed. Trying to take NCAA hockey mainstream with so few teams will be equally as devastating on the sport's future, Maturi realizes this and Alvarez does not. It is up to Maturi to make sure that the AD's at MSU and UMI understand this and can express this to those who will actually make the final decision. [/soapbox]

I would say that indeed the big programs exert a greater influence on the college hockey landscape than do the powers in college football, as evidenced by the fact that the 5 big ten schools provide the vast majority of financial clout in the CCHA and WCHA than do the other schools comprising those conferences. Especially given the fact that the big ten schools provide an immmense portion of the NCAA financial haul from a percentage standpoint. Moreover considering the haul those 5 teams bring in a sport that has 50 plus teams.

With the limited resources the other schools bring, I just don't see how colluding into a single big ten conference benefits the NCAA as a whole. The resulting CCHA and WCHA conferences omitting big ten teams would hardly stand as viable financial concerns. The net effect would stand as a net loss for college hockey, and thus for all teams involved.

Alternatively, I can see the benefit (from the fans standpoint) of each big ten team committing to a a non conference schedule that would lead to a big ten champion; although from an NCAA qualification standpoint the teams would likely frown on it.

In the end it appears that all concerned need to leave the leagues as they stand. The current state of the CHA proves how hockey stands on relatively shakey NCAA ground. Schools not affiliated with larger schools in a conference have recently proven they lack staying power.

As far as fans loving the provinciality of the sport, I believe that college fans will love their teams regardless of the size of the sport. The teams will continue to see fan support because anyone that has attended those schools "drinks the coolaid." For example I can attest that every football weekend I watch the UW games at the San Diego UW bar. Each weekend I see a couple of hundred alumni with whom I watch the game. Same goes for hockey games. The size of the sport doesn't seem to matter.

And finally, Penn State has a fairly successfull club team that has made grumblings about potentially moving to D1. I am sure that if anyone associated with D1 big ten programs wanted to form a Big Ten conference, adding a D1 Penn State might look very attractive. Big school, somewhat east coast presence......who knows. Therefore, maybe the waters will get tested more sooner than later.

Just thoughts.
 
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I'm not sure what the B10 bylaws are but I believe that MN could be forced to join a B10 hockey conference if one is formed or risks losing some of their B10 TV money (or worse).

Dunno either. I believe the number is something like 6 to force a conference in the Big Ten...but I think that means all 6 need to be in favor. Also I don't know that ND counts...and I still think that PSU is an extreme longshot (heck, Syracuse is almost a more likely Big Ten men's hockey addition than a school like Illinois).

Checked a Sparty board, I'd say its about 60/40 for a BTHC. Here its decidedly against...and among MN fans, I've only seen one poster open to the idea.
 
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Dunno either. I believe the number is something like 6 to force a conference in the Big Ten...but I think that means all 6 need to be in favor. Also I don't know that ND counts...and I still think that PSU is an extreme longshot (heck, Syracuse is almost a more likely Big Ten men's hockey addition than a school like Illinois).

Checked a Sparty board, I'd say its about 60/40 for a BTHC. Here its decidedly against...and among MN fans, I've only seen one poster open to the idea.

6 teams are required to sponsor the sport before the B10 will host a conference (ND does not count because they are not a member of the B10 [and never will be]). Currently their are only 4, but the questions that I'd have to research is what vote of the active schools is required to start a conference (simple majority, 2/3, 80%, unanimous) and then are all B10 teams that offer the sport bound by the B10 bylaws to join the conference.
 
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6 teams are required to sponsor the sport before the B10 will host a conference (ND does not count because they are not a member of the B10 [and never will be]). Currently their are only 4, but the questions that I'd have to research is what vote of the active schools is required to start a conference (simple majority, 2/3, 80%, unanimous) and then are all B10 teams that offer the sport bound by the B10 bylaws to join the conference.

Currently there are 5 BT hockey schools, so we are only one away from the dreaded (by me) six. If you do it, I'll be very interested in the results of your research.
 
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I was suprised to read that Davies will be a healthy scrath in favor of Turnbull tonight. It seems to me that Davies provides much more to the team offensively than Turnbull does. Turnbull has not been impressive when I have watched him.
 
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Poor Milewski...he says via Twitter, "It's a UW hockey game day and I'll be shooting video of prep football. What the hell happened here?!?" :(
 
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I was suprised to read that Davies will be a healthy scrath in favor of Turnbull tonight. It seems to me that Davies provides much more to the team offensively than Turnbull does. Turnbull has not been impressive when I have watched him.

I don't get the surprise a lot of people have with Podge playing. It's a new season and Davies attitude and effort has sucked throughout his career, he was the only guy on the team to come into the season not in excellent shape... I'll be glad when he is gone, he is a lazy player and almost anybody can sit on the backdoor of a power play and get goals... Why do you think Turris isn't hacking it in the NHL, no effort in the corners, lack of back checking those are the things in the long run that win or lose you games and if you have someone in the lineup that won't do those things it hurts your chances. Another Example was alexi kovalev in Montreal last year and davies plays with the same type of attitude. We have scoring depth so we can afford to do without 1 DECENT scorer, what we can't afford specially with a bit of question in net is lack of effort in your own end... Scoring goals wasn't a problem with or without Davies in the lineup. We are going to role 4 lines at a young CC team that is missing there best 2 way forward. Wear them down, force them to take penalty's and good special teams will be the key to winning this weekend. CC can't have there top 2 lines out there all weekend, there are going to be mismatches that UW can take advantage of...
 
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HOCKEY NIGHT IN WISCONSIN!

I am surprised to see Davies get pined. However, the real surprise to me is seeing Ratty Johnson on the top line. He's NOT a top line player, but I am hoping that Geoffrion and Bohmbach can continue their strong play of last year. I suspect we might see Ratty moved down to the fourth line for Turnbull tomorrow with Davies back in the lineup on the top line for Johnson with Turnbull sitting on Saturday. Turnbull has always been enigmatic to me, but Davies has so much ability he must have really ****ed off Eaves with his sometimes lackadaisical appearance on the ice. You'd think the kid would have learned by now...but Davies has too much ability to ride the pine for long.

The D pairings are also intriguing. I think everone is going to love Golobeuf and Schultz. I have said it before, that Justin Schultz is the hidden gem of this recruiting class. Interesting to see Ramage playing ahead of Craig Johnson, Little, and Springer, but Ramage is paired with Brendan Smith and he'll have to be mindful of Smith's propensities to jump up in the play and carry deep. Stay at home son...stay at home. I love Brendan Smith's abilities and if he can stay healthy, and improves even MORE, he's going to have a fantastic season.

Bennett and Gumanson was always a push. I hope they both play well and give UW confidence that they can call on either to win a big game.

CC is not a dominating club by any stretch, and I would HATE to see a repeat of the crappy start that doomed this club last year. Hit the ground running, get some early confidence, and to quote Black Eyed Peas:

"LET'S GET IT STARTED IN HERE!"

Wisconsin Hockey: Joeyv Loves Fergie! (call me...wink, wink) :)
 
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Rob Andringa was on "On Wisconsin" with Brain Posick (WIBA) this afternoon. Along with everybody else, he was shocked that Bennett was starting tonight.

The word "shocked" has come up on **** near every discussion. Interesting......Mind games perhaps?
 
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Poor Milewski...he says via Twitter, "It's a UW hockey game day and I'll be shooting video of prep football. What the hell happened here?!?" :(

A freakin' crime.

If any of you are Twits, Please offer your condolences to him.
 
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Anyone tired of Brendan Smith? He gives up as many as he gets.

Freshman year: he's gonna make mistakes.
Sophomore year: you start to shake your head.
Junior year: Now it's just getting ridiculous.:mad:
 
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Game 1 of the season and I'm tired of this team already. Big, slow, can't pass and it seems 1/2 the shots don't even hit the net. Their offensive game plan is to get it to the red line, dump it in and chase the puck. When they get some sort of control we have five guys who can't possibly get more than 2 feet from the boards so we play cycle around the boards with nobody going to the net. We play like we have a entire team of defensemen. We look exactly the same as last year. Do we even have forwards?

Good defensively, but even good defensemen get beat from time to time. And now we don't have a goalie to save us.

Prediction: We will end up around 19-16 and miss the tournament again. We will go 2-8 against NoDak, UMinn, Mich, and Denver.

I'm sick of seeing the same team year after year. I honestly think we need a coaching change.
 
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Another 0.500 year and no tournament will have the natives restless. It's still early, but there were large stretches that were very unimpressive tonight. I, too, have seen this too often the last few years. I also watched NoDak when I could this evening. Why can't we play like that?
 
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Game 1 of the season and I'm tired of this team already. Big, slow, can't pass and it seems 1/2 the shots don't even hit the net. Their offensive game plan is to get it to the red line, dump it in and chase the puck. When they get some sort of control we have five guys who can't possibly get more than 2 feet from the boards so we play cycle around the boards with nobody going to the net. We play like we have a entire team of defensemen. We look exactly the same as last year. Do we even have forwards?

Good defensively, but even good defensemen get beat from time to time. And now we don't have a goalie to save us.

Prediction: We will end up around 19-16 and miss the tournament again. We will go 2-8 against NoDak, UMinn, Mich, and Denver.

I'm sick of seeing the same team year after year. I honestly think we need a coaching change.

Holy cow!! What a wimp, to give up on your team after one game. Thankfully, almost all other Badger fans are great Badger fans who will stick with this team through the entire season!
 
Re: WISCONSIN HOCKEY 09-10 - Climbing The Mountain (7th Edition?)

Game 1 of the season and I'm tired of this team already. Big, slow, can't pass and it seems 1/2 the shots don't even hit the net. Their offensive game plan is to get it to the red line, dump it in and chase the puck. When they get some sort of control we have five guys who can't possibly get more than 2 feet from the boards so we play cycle around the boards with nobody going to the net. We play like we have a entire team of defensemen. We look exactly the same as last year. Do we even have forwards?

Good defensively, but even good defensemen get beat from time to time. And now we don't have a goalie to save us.

Prediction: We will end up around 19-16 and miss the tournament again. We will go 2-8 against NoDak, UMinn, Mich, and Denver.

I'm sick of seeing the same team year after year. I honestly think we need a coaching change.

Sounds like Minnesota's offensive gameplan, only we don't play any defense.

Edit: I expect you to beat the Gophers 3 out of 4 this year if Minnesota plays like they did tonight all year.
 
Re: WISCONSIN HOCKEY 09-10 - Climbing The Mountain (7th Edition?)

Game 1 of the season and I'm tired of this team already. Big, slow, can't pass and it seems 1/2 the shots don't even hit the net. Their offensive game plan is to get it to the red line, dump it in and chase the puck. When they get some sort of control we have five guys who can't possibly get more than 2 feet from the boards so we play cycle around the boards with nobody going to the net. We play like we have a entire team of defensemen. We look exactly the same as last year. Do we even have forwards?

Good defensively, but even good defensemen get beat from time to time. And now we don't have a goalie to save us.

Prediction: We will end up around 19-16 and miss the tournament again. We will go 2-8 against NoDak, UMinn, Mich, and Denver.

I'm sick of seeing the same team year after year. I honestly think we need a coaching change.



If it's any consolation for you, the "73" NC team lost their 1st game to CC also. Just saying it's a bit early to jump ship.
 
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