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WIAC schools to pull out a year earlier than originally planned

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Would a five team conference get an autobid? Sounds like a risk for the WIAC teams if they don't...
 
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SNC is in the Midwest Conference in their 19 other sports, as is LU, LFC, and 6 other schools* that don't have hockey. They could go under the MC umbrella, and ask SSC and the other 6 MCHA schools, not in the MC, to join as associate members. This would avoid making any concessions to the 5 WIAC schools, while keeping the integrity of their program.

Having proven teams like SNC, SSC, and Adrian in the same conference would lend great credibility to the league. As Hammer said before, "the teams in the MCHA have raised the bar and will continue to do so". This gives this conference 10 solid hockey teams, with an option for future growth. A move like this would also give the Midwest Conference a presence in 5 states (WI, MN, MI, IL,& IA).

Point is, SNC and SSC have other options available to them. They don't need the WIAC , the WIAC needs them. Where is the WIAC going to get the teams necessary to gain the AQ. The other UW schools have either recently dropped hockey, or have publicaly indicated no desire to start a hockey program.


BTW,*other MC schools are Beloit (WI), Carroll (WI), Ripon (WI), Grinnell (IA), Knox (IL), Monmouth (IL), and Illinois College (IL).
 
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We're gonna screw around and get a program or two killed off, and then everyone's going to be good and ****ed.
 
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MW49 said:
SNC is in the Midwest Conference in their 19 other sports, as is LU, LFC, and 6 other schools* that don't have hockey. They could go under the MC umbrella, and ask SSC and the other 6 MCHA schools, not in the MC, to join as associate members. This would avoid making any concessions to the 5 WIAC schools, while keeping the integrity of their program.

Having proven teams like SNC, SSC, and Adrian in the same conference would lend great credibility to the league. As Hammer said before, "the teams in the MCHA have raised the bar and will continue to do so". This gives this conference 10 solid hockey teams, with an option for future growth. A move like this would also give the Midwest Conference a presence in 5 states (WI, MN, MI, IL,& IA).

Point is, SNC and SSC have other options available to them. They don't need the WIAC , the WIAC needs them. Where is the WIAC going to get the teams necessary to gain the AQ. The other UW schools have either recently dropped hockey, or have publicaly indicated no desire to start a hockey program.


BTW,*other MC schools are Beloit (WI), Carroll (WI), Ripon (WI), Grinnell (IA), Knox (IL), Monmouth (IL), and Illinois College (IL).
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That's easy: If SNC and CSS joined MCHA, WIAC would just invite Finlandia and Marian. Both would almost certainly accept. But as I mentioned previously, there would be negative consequences for the WIAC, specifically:
1. Lower overall level of competition
2. Longer travel distances

Also, the move would have the same negative consequences for SNC and CSS. So the best interests of SNC and CSS are in alignment with the best interests of WIAC. I think reasonable people will arrive at a reasonable solution.
 
Memory Loss??

Memory Loss??

Dennis4896 said:
That's easy: If SNC and CSS joined MCHA ...
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Okay ... what am I missing? Does no one else recall the tacit boycott / collusion by some NCHA programs from three years ago to exclude Adrian from schedules in a not-so-overt means to strangle that program.

So now that the shoe is on the other foot ... are we naive enough to think that the MCHA schools will be spreading out a welcome mat for programs that had blatantly attempted to squelch one of their programs (unless of course the MCHA schools are of the Matthew 5 - turn the other cheek - mentality).

I don't think either league will make it easy for SNC or CSS. IMHO, this is going to get Lindsay Lohan uuugggglllyy.
 
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So why would SNC and SSC want to join the WIAC after the teams in that league left them high and dry? I believe that a move to the MCHA would be a good move and I highly doubt the MCHA teams would be in a hurry to bolt to the WIAC for hockey. I believe that it would be an easy argument that the MCHA would be the better of the two leagues with the addition of these two teams.
 
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Dennis4896 said:
That's easy: If SNC and CSS joined MCHA, WIAC would just invite Finlandia and Marian. Both would almost certainly accept. But as I mentioned previously, there would be negative consequences for the WIAC, specifically:
1. Lower overall level of competition
2. Longer travel distances

Also, the move would have the same negative consequences for SNC and CSS. So the best interests of SNC and CSS are in alignment with the best interests of WIAC. I think reasonable people will arrive at a reasonable solution.
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Why would a private school join the WIAC for hockey at this point? That makes no sense that FU and Marian would jump just to service the WIAC schools. Especially Marian, who is right in the middle of the MCHA geographically. I personally think the MCHA will welcome SNC and CSS with open arms. The MCHA is not just Adrian, I'm guessing the other seven schools and I'm guessing Adrian also will be more than happy to continue to improve that league.

The WIAC schools, in its hubris, just figured that SNC and CSS would come along for the ride as it were. I'm starting to think they are going to be in for a rude awakening before this is all said and done.
 
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Dennis4896 said:
That's easy: If SNC and CSS joined MCHA, WIAC would just invite Finlandia and Marian. Both would almost certainly accept. But as I mentioned previously, there would be negative consequences for the WIAC, specifically:
1. Lower overall level of competition
2. Longer travel distances

Also, the move would have the same negative consequences for SNC and CSS. So the best interests of SNC and CSS are in alignment with the best interests of WIAC. I think reasonable people will arrive at a reasonable solution.
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I respectfully disagree. With Aiken now coaching Marian, accompanied by his strong ties with both the ADs and coaches at SNC and Lawrence, I doubt that Marian would "certainly accept" the WIAC's invitation. The draw and oppurtunity to stay with the other Fox Valley teams is a natural rivalry triad. The MCHA is the better move for Marian.

As for Finlandia... Why would a small University in Michigan (under 1000 students), "certainly accept" an invite to a conference composed of larger state schools, from Wisconsin, with established and successful hockey programs ? Specifically, when Finlandia hasn't placed in the upper half of the MCHA in years. The Lions don't want to be the sacrificial lambs of the WIAC. They'll stay put and grow their program.

I believe the WIACs have painted themselves into a corner. They've put SNC and CSS in the drivers seat for now.
 
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Based on the title - Conference Interruptus??
 
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I ask the same question I asked earlier in this thread. Why in the world would the MCHA open their arms to a team they have not been able to beat? What difference does it make how strong your conference is if you don't have a chance to win it.
Right now the WIAC teams are playing under 2 sets of rules, with the WIAC rules having strict restrictions on how these schools can recruit. (Example) The WIAC teams are not allowed to pay for a recruit to come for a visit, whereas I'd bet my last dime the 17 kids from outside the US are not coming to SNC for a visit on their dime.
All I'm saying is level the playing field, and if you continue to kick our butts then bad on us, but if they continue to have the edge in recruiting there is no advantage to have them in the league. Like I said thats just my opinion.
 
Tucker6 said:
I ask the same question I asked earlier in this thread. Why in the world would the MCHA open their arms to a team they have not been able to beat? What difference does it make how strong your conference is if you don't have a chance to win it.
Right now the WIAC teams are playing under 2 sets of rules, with the WIAC rules having strict restrictions on how these schools can recruit. (Example) The WIAC teams are not allowed to pay for a recruit to come for a visit, whereas I'd bet my last dime the 17 kids from outside the US are not coming to SNC for a visit on their dime.
All I'm saying is level the playing field, and if you continue to kick our butts then bad on us, but if they continue to have the edge in recruiting there is no advantage to have them in the league. Like I said thats just my opinion.
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I always find it amusing how everyone thinks private schools are awash in money.
 
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Tucker6 said:
I ask the same question I asked earlier in this thread. Why in the world would the MCHA open their arms to a team they have not been able to beat? What difference does it make how strong your conference is if you don't have a chance to win it.
Right now the WIAC teams are playing under 2 sets of rules, with the WIAC rules having strict restrictions on how these schools can recruit. (Example) The WIAC teams are not allowed to pay for a recruit to come for a visit, whereas I'd bet my last dime the 17 kids from outside the US are not coming to SNC for a visit on their dime.
All I'm saying is level the playing field, and if you continue to kick our butts then bad on us, but if they continue to have the edge in recruiting there is no advantage to have them in the league. Like I said thats just my opinion.
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"level the playing field" .....sounds like a description for the 'fairness' debate, we are seeing on a national scale this election season.
If the 'privates' are playing within the rules, why would they choose to lessen their ability to compete on a national basis just to join the WIAC conference.
 
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Then choose not to, and find another conference that will hand you their AQ. I think that will be harder than you think.
 
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Tucker6 said:
Then choose not to, and find another conference that will hand you their AQ. I think that will be harder than you think.
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In that case you might want to stop thinking. You're liable to hurt yourself otherwise.
 
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Wow, how profound, makes me feel like I'm back in grade school, keep up the brilliant insight.
 
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Tucker6 said:
I ask the same question I asked earlier in this thread. Why in the world would the MCHA open their arms to a team they have not been able to beat? What difference does it make how strong your conference is if you don't have a chance to win it.
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Good question.
If SNC applied to join the MCHA, I doubt they would receive unanimous support from all teams.
What benefits would exisitng MCHA teams derive from the inclusion of SNC ?
It's pretty clear who has the most to gain from this expansion ?
 
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