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WI @ MN: The Red Menace Visits The Mecca

Slap Shot said:
Did I hurt the Becky or Jan fan in you? I'm sure either way you were defending someone's honor.
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No. Just pointing out that at this point in the season, beating or tying the Gophers wouldn't be the high point in anyone's season. Since just about everybody has done it. Trying to keep your enormous egos in check.
 
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Like kissing your sister, ugh. I suppose a few people from Wisconsin are used to that.

How has Peterson not played more? Holy cow... Really hoping penalties are a non-factor tonight.
 
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Slap Shot said:
That comment had to be sarcastic given the state of the team so far. If you hadn't been so quick to assume Gophers fans do this or do that you might have noticed. :)
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To be fair to Tipsy, how many times have Gopher fans said that taking points from them is the highlight of a team's season and meant it?
How was he supposed to definitely know it was sarcastic in this case?
 
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I can't decide exactly how I feel about last night's game.
MN had some good things goinig on. Holl played, I think, his best game as a forward. M. Reilly, I think, played his best game as a Gopher. Marshall was taking a leadership-type role and trying to make things happen (trying to do a bit too much at times, but I like seeing that out of him. The more he does it, the better he'll be at it). The PP was able to keep Badger penalty killers on the ice for long stretches of time without getting a change.

But this was a game MN SHOULD have won. Even more so than the losses against Tech or Mankato, or the tie in Anchorage.
We can talk about how playing about 14 minutes a man short and losing 2 players affected UW, and debate the validity of the major calls. But bottom line is that the Gophers totally owned the last 30 minutes of the game, spent significant amount of time on the PP, spent the majority of time during those PP's in the Badger end, pumped a lot of rubber on net....and had no goals to show for it. This was a game that the Gophers should have won.

Some people are falling down in praise of how well Peterson played. The kid played a good game. He wasn't spectacular. I thought Wilcox had more big saves than Peterson did. Peterson didn't steal anything last night. He played his position very well, that's about it. MN didn't force him to show anything more, despite tons of time in the Badger end and lots of looks.

The passing last night for both teams was, at times, both good and attrocious. From a MN perspective, they need to be much more consistent in caring for the puck if they want succes. Too many unforced errors in passing and receiving passes.

And there are 3 things I'm really sick of seeing:
Schmidt not paired with Parenteau, Budish not on the first line, and Alt consistently taking shifts off in games.
 
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FTLT - that's part of the joke always. Very few of us are ever actually serious when we say stuff like that.

I am re-posting from GPL and the beginning might lack some context here but...

If the loss of Warning is really this detrimental to their depth this team is not who I thought they were, but I am not buying that excuse. They are not playing with energy and are trying the lazy-man's way to generate offense. There's no puck support and too many shots are forced from the outside. A couple very nice saves by Peterson, two posts and one waved-off goal doesn't help, but just about any team can say that nearly every weekend. They need to get back to working for their lunch money instead of playing like it will be handed to them.
 
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VarsityWisconsin said:
Another look at the Bogus calls from last night. Was ringside last night and will be there tonight. Go Bucky.

http://www.westerncollegehockeyblog.com/2012/11/16/3656790/video-two-controversial-majors-in-minnesota-wisconsin-game
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After watching the videos, I don't completely object to both of those being called a majors.
While the LaBate hit wasn't a particularly bad cfb, all of the parts were in place for it to be a play where bad results should have happened.

The Barnes-Serritorre play is one of those that you hate to see happen to any player, but I don't think that any amount of rules (short of removing hitting from the game completely) can remove it from the game. To me, it appears that Barnes went in to make a big hit and inadvertently made contact with the head, the reason that I feel that a 5 minute major isn't completely unreasonable because the result of head contact isn't an unforeseeable outcome from that powerful of check.

Both were clear penalties, both were a little more than a simple minor but a little weak for being called a major. You don't want to get called for a major penalty, don't do things that are both stupid and dangerous to other players.
 
Bonin21 said:
Like kissing your sister, ugh.
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let me know if you'd rather lose. Few things are as juvenile as *****ing about a tie.

Bonin21 said:
I suppose a few people from Wisconsin are used to that.
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Nevermind. Thisis juvenile.

Bonin21 said:
How has Peterson not played more?
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Because only an idiot would make that judgement over a single game? Rumpel's played better over the course I true collegiate careers.
 
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Almington said:
After watching the videos, I don't completely object to both of those being called a majors.
While the LaBate hit wasn't a particularly bad cfb, all of the parts were in place for it to be a play where bad results should have happened.

The Barnes-Serritorre play is one of those that you hate to see happen to any player, but I don't think that any amount of rules (short of removing hitting from the game completely) can remove it from the game. To me, it appears that Barnes went in to make a big hit and inadvertently made contact with the head, the reason that I feel that a 5 minute major isn't completely unreasonable because the result of head contact isn't an unforeseeable outcome from that powerful of check.

Both were clear penalties, both were a little more than a simple minor but a little weak for being called a major. You don't want to get called for a major penalty, don't do things that are both stupid and dangerous to other players.
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LaBate's was borderline. I've seen similar called majors and worse get called minors. Barnes' I would say was worthy of the major.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
let me know if you'd rather lose. Few things are as juvenile as *****ing about a tie.
Nevermind. Thisis juvenile.
Because only an idiot would make that judgement over a single game? Rumpel's played better over the course I true collegiate careers.
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-When you're the better team you'd like to win. The frustration is more over giving away a point than the tie.
-I forgot this was a serious thread. There are no Wisconsin fans spending way too much time in Photoshop.
-Past seasons shouldn't play too much into goalie decisions. Ask Gopher fans about how Kangas turned out after his freshman year. I'll give you that it's too early in the season to want to change things up but if you start losing a lot with Rumpel in on Fridays I'd hope Eaves is less scared than Lucia often is to mix things up between the pipes.
 
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Almington said:
After watching the videos, I don't completely object to both of those being called a majors.
While the LaBate hit wasn't a particularly bad cfb, all of the parts were in place for it to be a play where bad results should have happened.

The Barnes-Serritorre play is one of those that you hate to see happen to any player, but I don't think that any amount of rules (short of removing hitting from the game completely) can remove it from the game. To me, it appears that Barnes went in to make a big hit and inadvertently made contact with the head, the reason that I feel that a 5 minute major isn't completely unreasonable because the result of head contact isn't an unforeseeable outcome from that powerful of check.

Both were clear penalties, both were a little more than a simple minor but a little weak for being called a major. You don't want to get called for a major penalty, don't do things that are both stupid and dangerous to other players.
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This is generally sensible - at least for a BADger fan. ;)

I just don't see what is so weak about the LaBate call. He did hit Haula in the back - clearly. Haula was within 5' of the boards when hit and was driven into the boards. It wasn't a brutal hit and there have been worse that have gone uncalled - doesn't mean this didn't fit the rulebook definition of a Major CFB.

I actually could see a bigger objection over the call on Barnes. He was going for a shoulder to shoulder hit, it looked to me, but Serratore's head was down and the hit was shoulder-to-head.
 
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goldy_331 said:
This is generally sensible - at least for a BADger fan. ;)

I just don't see what is so weak about the LaBate call. He did hit Haula in the back - clearly. Haula was within 5' of the boards when hit and was driven into the boards. It wasn't a brutal hit and there have been worse that have gone uncalled - doesn't mean this didn't fit the rulebook definition of a Major CFB.

I actually could see a bigger objection over the call on Barnes. He was going for a shoulder to shoulder hit, it looked to me, but Serratore's head was down and the hit was shoulder-to-head.
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The difference is that I don't think that LaBate's intention was to deliver a punishing blow to Haula. While it was a hit from behind (which is a minor penalty away from the boards), it wasn't a check that was intended to drive Haula into the boards. Part of the issue was that Haula was at the worst possible distance from the boards - too far to avoid hitting the boards all togeather, but not close enough to be supported by them. Like I said, all of the ingredients were present for that to have been a very bad situation if either Haula was less situationally aware or if LaBate had delivered a stronger initial check.

On the other hand, it was clear that Barnes' intention was to lay a punishing hit on Serratore (or any gopher for that matter) and when you do that you had better be **** well sure that 1.) you don't charge and 2.) you hit the other player square in the torso. Even without the contact to the head, Barnes was guilty of charging (which may very well have been called a major anyway) all the contact to the head did was what insure that he was given the major.

Again, neither play has a place in the game and the only person responsible is the one who made the decision to deliver the initial check because by doing so they transferred the resulting outcome to the refs judgement (regardless of what that judgement is). No hit and the ref has no decision to make.
 
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3 pts from a rival is always good in my book.

They need to work on the PP big time, the Badgers were almost daring them to score a PP goal in the 3rd. If the Gophers convert a few this game isn't close.
 
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