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Who goes first Lewis or Linstad?

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ARM said:
It doesn't change your point, but that's not quite accurate. Minnesota was in the midst of a season that saw it go 23-12-1 and miss the NCAA Tournament the year that the twins verbally committed, after having finished 29-11-1 and reaching the title game the season before. Part of the reason that they chose Minnesota over Wisconsin was that they did want to be part of helping a team get to the top, not just remain there.
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You are correct, but as you said does not change the premise of my thoughts.

Posting the actual data to clear the confusion:

Year UM ...... UMD
05-06 29-11-1 ... 7-27-2
06-07 23-12-1 ... 3-31-2 *
07-08 27-7-4 ... 4-26-6 *
08-09 32-5-3 ... 13-19-4 * First year with UM
09-10 26-9-5 ... 8-22-4 * Olympic Year
10-11 26-10-2 ... 20-13-3 * First year with UND
 
Re: Who goes first Lewis or Linstad?

brookyone said:
http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/5762-womens-hockey/page__st__80

Of little relevance now...but perhaps for some insight into the atmosphere as it was when the hometown kids were deciding on their commitment. Could be more than a poor record was involved in a decision to not join the UND program.
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Interesting, thanks for posting.....If you compare the 2006 landscape to today 7 years later how much has changed, specially to this program and some other programmes referenced in the quotes....The one common thread appears to be to bring in a few key recruits to get things kick started for a program build.


2006...what happened and Today....

UND in 2006...Mired with a poor record, both coaching and recruiting being blamed.....Bring in a new Coach, bring in some star players and voila, 7 years later you have a program with and consistently winning record.

In 2006 One poster laments..." is this a new beginning or are we becoming the women's hockey version of Quinnipiac?"
....Quinnipiac also changes coaches, starts attracting top talent and go from an ECAC bottom feeder to a program challenging the top teams in the ECAC

In 2006 One poster laments...."Minnesota lost to some teams they hadn't lost to with those players and Wisconsin came out from the shadows of Duluth and Minnesota, which to me tells me that a few high-end players along with solid depth can put you on a path towards being a challenger"
...What an intriguing statement, as Wisco would go on to win several national championships, the first one in 2007 if I'm not mistaken, and be a dominant team over the next 5 years. Another great example of a program kick started by a few strong recruits to get it over the hump.

In 2006 Cornell was an also ran in the ECAC....RJ decides to join her sister at Cornell, and the next thing you know they bring in a couple of strong recruits and the program turns into a winner within 3 years, and has been winning ever since.

In 2006 One poster laments...."Well, according to USCHO, there is a defenseman from Clarkson, I think, that is transferring to UND."...That was in the day Clarkson was a fledgling program. They too bring in a few strong classes, and it turns the program around in a real hurry.


My point in all this......Recruiting matters...A great deal.....There was a thread a few years ago about why some of the Ivies were no longer as competitive....The answer is real simple....The competition for top recruits is much fiercer today compared to the late 90's early 2000's, and it has a direct affect on the success of a program, if you can't land any.

Sure you can still be competitive to a certain extend, but to win championships you have to be able to land a certain amount of top recruits. While landing top recruits does not guarantee success ( you still need the right mix of players and the right fit as a coach), without top recruits the chances of having much success are much smaller, if not almost impossible.
 
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Re: Who goes first Lewis or Linstad?

OnMAA said:
You actually kind of agree with me....as I indicated in my post you reacted to....



Me thinks the record of UND was the key motivator for not going there. Put yourself in their shoes. With their history of being on winning programs (SSM), and their desire to be the best they can be, would you go to A 1-13 program vs. a program with a winning tradition. Most would not. If I were in their shoes, I would go to a winning program, better chance of success and reaching your goals. Now you can debate that the losing record was due to a lack of coaching, but me thinks, the record of UND at the time was more of a motivator not to go there.

P.S....Just looked up the records. UND was 3-31 and 4-26 the two seasons prior to the season the Lams committed to UM. UM was 27-7 with several recent National Championships in their back pocket.
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I didn't state that you hadn't made the point that UND had a losing record.

I was responding to the part of your comment that I quoted...which is the purpose of quoting someone...to hopefully provide clarification. The part of your comment that I quoted was completely inaccurate. You're now trying to change the rules of engagement. Are you sure you're not a lawyer as opposed to an engineer? You know what the root of the word "lawyer" means, don't you?

To repeat, it was not so much the losing record as you state but the entire coaching/program situation that was in shambles like a war zone with nobody knowing what the outcome was going to be. The losing record was the symptom not the cause of the problem.

Now in your comment above you're trying to tell me what you think the Lams were thinking when you previously stated that no one but them would know the reasons...even after I've informed you that the Lams have explained it publicly. So one would have to conclude that you think you know more about their motives than they do.

We got some ADD goin' on here?
 
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Blackbeard said:
Are you sure you're not a lawyer as opposed to an engineer? You know what the root of the word "lawyer" means, don't you?
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I'm a numbers guy, not a words guy. I have no idea what the roots of the word "lawyer" means.

Blackbeard said:
Now in your comment above you're trying to tell me what you think the Lams were thinking when you previously stated that no one but them would know the reasons...even after I've informed you that the Lams have explained it publicly. So one would have to conclude that you think you know more about their motives than they do.
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I never said what I thought the Lams where thinking in my last post. I said that I knew what I would do given the record of the program If I were in their shoes.....see for yourself:

OnMAA said:
Me thinks the record of UND was the key motivator for not going there. Put yourself in their shoes. With their history of being on winning programs (SSM), and their desire to be the best they can be, would you go to A 1-13 program vs. a program with a winning tradition. Most would not. If I were in their shoes, I would go to a winning program, better chance of success and reaching your goals.
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Now having said all that, was not aware of the detailed history at UND that Brooky posted later on, so you are correct in your history. However you are now the second person within a day to put words into my mouth that I never uttered, and that will trigger a clarification.

And for what it is worth...nothing against the UM program, but kind of glad for them that they ended up going to UND after all to help build that program into what it is today, compared to 6 years ago. It is something they should be proud of as native North Dakotan's. It is good for the sport to have another competitive program in the league.

Peace my friend.
 
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Re: Who goes first Lewis or Linstad?

OnMAA said:
I never said what I thought the Lams where thinking in my last post.
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This is what you said...

"Me thinks the record of UND was the key motivator for not going there".

And you just requoted it and still don't acknowledge what you said. You unquestionably implied by that comment that you thought that you knew the reason better than the Lams did even after they have explained it.

The only person putting words in your mouth, at least in this instance, is you which you then immediately ignore.

This isn't rocket science but you seem to be having some difficulty following along even when your own words are in print in front of you.

And the root of the word means "to twist".
 
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My choice for new UNH head coach is Jim Fetter.
I feel he did more at wayne state than Scotty Bowman could've.
First, consider he had to recruit girls to the worst big city in the USA, ( I'm a Detroiter,I can say that), a school with no on campus rink,
facilities substandard by any standard and managed to win a conference title from the evil empire ( Mercyhurst) as well as get the school it's first and only top ten ranking.
Lets not forget winning gold for Canada's U 18 team.
Still being head coach of Canada's u18 team, he gives a natural pipeline to some of the best women's talent in the world.
St. Clouds loss could be UNH's gain.
 
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UNH needs a head coach now? Don't you mean UConn? I make plenty of typooos on here also.
 
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Sorry guys I meant to say uconn instead of UNH, too many years in the ring, my brain comes and goes. Lmao
 
herbbrooks26 said:
Is it ground hogs day? I found the below thread from 1/13! And I felt that I was reading the same situation at William Smith (HWS)(D3) today- 3 years later. Wow!! The common thread? Totten, the William Smith coach was Lindstad's former player at Northeastern then her assistant coach at Uconn. Same behavior occurring at William Smith. 9 girls who came to William Smith to play hockey either quit or transferred from this 2nd year program because of the SAME EXACT reasons below- verbally abusing her players, targeting specific players and humiliating and intimidating in front of the whole team. This is beyond "tough" coaching and now meets the federal definition of bullying. What's most troubling is that the HWS AD and administration have turned a blind eye and continue to allow this damaging behavior to occur. I guess Linstad lives on through Totten at HWS!! Buyer beware!!

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What in the world are you talking about? Where did you read any of the crap you're saying about William Smith? Those are some strong allegations you're posting. Are you sure you have your facts right?
 
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