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Minding the gap
So is pulling out...doesn't mean it's very effective.
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So is pulling out...doesn't mean it's very effective.
Re: What is your political stance?
Well, I suppose you could always heat it up to the boiling point before squirting it in there.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: What is your political stance?
Or swap out the bleach for some sort of lye concoction.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: What is your political stance?
Gentlemen, we may yet revolutionize the baby killing industry.
Gentlemen, we may yet revolutionize the baby killing industry.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: What is your political stance?
jeebus. This made me very audibly laugh out loud at work.
jeebus. This made me very audibly laugh out loud at work.
MUnRPI
New member
Re: What is your political stance?
And to think that I was leaning towards Dr. Paul...
<b>My Political Views</b><br>I am a far-left social authoritarian<br>Left: 8.11, Authoritarian: 6.47<br><img src="http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/grid/4x7.gif"><br><a href="http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html">Political Spectrum Quiz</a><br>
After a few tries, that's as close as I can get to communism
And to think that I was leaning towards Dr. Paul...
<b>My Political Views</b><br>I am a far-left social authoritarian<br>Left: 8.11, Authoritarian: 6.47<br><img src="http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/grid/4x7.gif"><br><a href="http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html">Political Spectrum Quiz</a><br>
After a few tries, that's as close as I can get to communism
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: What is your political stance?
Fertilization, and yes, you are correct, I am opposed to any form of birth control that disposes a fertilized egg. Besides abstinance, there are enough forms of birth control around that one does not have to use one of the forms that disposes the fertilized egg. But I do want to clarify "my religion" doesn't tell me this, it's based upon my own opinion which is based on how the body works. All my religion tells me is murder is a sin. I have to use my own judgement from there. Most "conservatives" are for capitol punishment, I am not. I believe we has humans should do nothing to shorten anyone's time of grace on earth, thus cutting short thier oppotunity to hear the Good News.
Fertilization, and yes, you are correct, I am opposed to any form of birth control that disposes a fertilized egg. Besides abstinance, there are enough forms of birth control around that one does not have to use one of the forms that disposes the fertilized egg. But I do want to clarify "my religion" doesn't tell me this, it's based upon my own opinion which is based on how the body works. All my religion tells me is murder is a sin. I have to use my own judgement from there. Most "conservatives" are for capitol punishment, I am not. I believe we has humans should do nothing to shorten anyone's time of grace on earth, thus cutting short thier oppotunity to hear the Good News.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: What is your political stance?
I am all for providing all the health care required as you call for, and I am also for getting any unwanted children into homes where they will be taken care of. It's interesting to think that both liberals and conservatives could easily find common ground here. The health care and facilities required to accomplish this are things that fit right into the liberal "great society" scheme, and not aborting unwanted childern is exactly conservatives want. Abstinence also fits into both parties because it would mean less abortions and less of a strain the social programs needed to take care of the unwanted children. The bottom line many people are too selfish and undiciplined to abstain until marriage. This one simple principle could change our society for the better. There'd be one less very divisive issue to deal with, and that would be a very good thing.
I am all for providing all the health care required as you call for, and I am also for getting any unwanted children into homes where they will be taken care of. It's interesting to think that both liberals and conservatives could easily find common ground here. The health care and facilities required to accomplish this are things that fit right into the liberal "great society" scheme, and not aborting unwanted childern is exactly conservatives want. Abstinence also fits into both parties because it would mean less abortions and less of a strain the social programs needed to take care of the unwanted children. The bottom line many people are too selfish and undiciplined to abstain until marriage. This one simple principle could change our society for the better. There'd be one less very divisive issue to deal with, and that would be a very good thing.
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Gurtholfin
Guest
Re: What is your political stance?
I'm not religious. Was raised Catholic and had evangelical, baptist and jehovah relatives. Haven't been to church in over 20 years. Organized religion just didn't/doesn't work for me. Not sure if I even really believe in a defined (by man) God at all anymore although I consider myself a spiritual person.
I believe that there is more to our existence than we can see, touch or understand. I've had experiences that prove it to me anyway. Some would call them epiphanies. Some would say "See! The hand of God touched you."
Great, if that's how you see it or want to qualify my personal experience. Knock yourself out.
I say the above to qualify how I feel about abortion. I believe that you are killing a human when you have an abortion. I don't believe this for any religious reason(s) at all (no church is telling me this), rather simple logic, imho of course.
If you don't have the abortion, barring something natural ending the pregnancy, the baby will be born. Therefore, the abortion is killing a human or ending a human life. Now you can say "But the fetus wouldn't survive outside of the mother!" True, but the fetus is not outside of the mother though until it's extracted.
Now, how in the world can I reconcile that with having to do it to save the mother or cases of rape? In those instances, the woman should get to choose. Why is this different? I don't know but my gut says it is and I'm going with my gut.
BC pills? Normally, the baby cannot develop until it attaches to the wall. If it doesn't attach, it's just a couple of cells. Infinite numbers don't attach naturally and we don't require women to stay in bed upside down until their periods to promote attachment. I'm for the Pill.
So there. My own all over the frickin' place beliefs illustrate how grey an area this is. I can't even resolve it to black and white within myself and I don't even have religion muddying the waters. Who expects society to be able to come to an agreement?
I also am opposed to capital punishment and believe that we need to use our military at times to secure our interests but NOT as a global police force.
I believe that everyone should have access to health care (paid for by the government for those in need), believe that anyone who wants to should have LOTS of pre-marital sex, think that pot should be legal even though I no longer puff, support the right to own guns but not rpgs and tanks, believe that immigrants should be legal or not be here and support the right for workers to organize.
What the heck is my point? I don't know. Maybe just that not EVERYONE who is opposed to abortion is a right-wing Christian. There are in fact logical reasons to be opposed.
Unfortunately, most "pro-life" politicians are right-wing Christians who I disagree with on way too many other issues to ever cast a vote for them. Keep your religion out of my face!
I'm not religious. Was raised Catholic and had evangelical, baptist and jehovah relatives. Haven't been to church in over 20 years. Organized religion just didn't/doesn't work for me. Not sure if I even really believe in a defined (by man) God at all anymore although I consider myself a spiritual person.
I believe that there is more to our existence than we can see, touch or understand. I've had experiences that prove it to me anyway. Some would call them epiphanies. Some would say "See! The hand of God touched you."
Great, if that's how you see it or want to qualify my personal experience. Knock yourself out.
I say the above to qualify how I feel about abortion. I believe that you are killing a human when you have an abortion. I don't believe this for any religious reason(s) at all (no church is telling me this), rather simple logic, imho of course.
If you don't have the abortion, barring something natural ending the pregnancy, the baby will be born. Therefore, the abortion is killing a human or ending a human life. Now you can say "But the fetus wouldn't survive outside of the mother!" True, but the fetus is not outside of the mother though until it's extracted.
Now, how in the world can I reconcile that with having to do it to save the mother or cases of rape? In those instances, the woman should get to choose. Why is this different? I don't know but my gut says it is and I'm going with my gut.
BC pills? Normally, the baby cannot develop until it attaches to the wall. If it doesn't attach, it's just a couple of cells. Infinite numbers don't attach naturally and we don't require women to stay in bed upside down until their periods to promote attachment. I'm for the Pill.
So there. My own all over the frickin' place beliefs illustrate how grey an area this is. I can't even resolve it to black and white within myself and I don't even have religion muddying the waters. Who expects society to be able to come to an agreement?
I also am opposed to capital punishment and believe that we need to use our military at times to secure our interests but NOT as a global police force.
I believe that everyone should have access to health care (paid for by the government for those in need), believe that anyone who wants to should have LOTS of pre-marital sex, think that pot should be legal even though I no longer puff, support the right to own guns but not rpgs and tanks, believe that immigrants should be legal or not be here and support the right for workers to organize.
What the heck is my point? I don't know. Maybe just that not EVERYONE who is opposed to abortion is a right-wing Christian. There are in fact logical reasons to be opposed.
Unfortunately, most "pro-life" politicians are right-wing Christians who I disagree with on way too many other issues to ever cast a vote for them. Keep your religion out of my face!
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leswp1
Well-known member
Re: What is your political stance?
This is great. Problem is although we both think these things there are not adequate supports presently to assure the health and well being of the mother or the child. If we can't offer those things with surety I believe the decision should be between the mother and God. If the woman who is at risk choses an abortion it pains me that she felt she had to make that decision but I feel it is her right. I have rarely seen someone make it lightly and contrary to popular belief I have seen few that feel the decision was the wrong one. I have seen many who wished they didn't need to make that decision.
Anecdotally the number of kids I see who are sexually active at an early ageor pregnant has decreased significantly since birth control availability and good sex ed has become more prevelant. In my state this was glaringly evident when Romney cut the $ to the school clinics in the cities with high teen rates. The numbers of unplanned preg rose at a stunning rate. He left (Thank you God!) $ were reinstated the numbers dropped again. No one ever has providing comprehensive education on their platform as an antidote for abortion. I find that exceedingly frustrating!
This is great. Problem is although we both think these things there are not adequate supports presently to assure the health and well being of the mother or the child. If we can't offer those things with surety I believe the decision should be between the mother and God. If the woman who is at risk choses an abortion it pains me that she felt she had to make that decision but I feel it is her right. I have rarely seen someone make it lightly and contrary to popular belief I have seen few that feel the decision was the wrong one. I have seen many who wished they didn't need to make that decision.
Anecdotally the number of kids I see who are sexually active at an early ageor pregnant has decreased significantly since birth control availability and good sex ed has become more prevelant. In my state this was glaringly evident when Romney cut the $ to the school clinics in the cities with high teen rates. The numbers of unplanned preg rose at a stunning rate. He left (Thank you God!) $ were reinstated the numbers dropped again. No one ever has providing comprehensive education on their platform as an antidote for abortion. I find that exceedingly frustrating!
Re: What is your political stance?
Which is great news, because God frequently supports murder.
Which is great news, because God frequently supports murder.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: What is your political stance?
You're never going to argue somebody into or out of a strongly-held belief. Polemics serve to influence people on the fence, and very few people are on the fence about abortion.
There are a few misunderstandings of history involved in the debate, though. Socially (and legally) acceptable abortion did not begin with Roe v Wade, it's as old as human ethical codes. Life was held to begin at the quickening (not the one from Highlander -- roughly the end of the first trimester) and self-aborting by means of various homespun remedies was simply regarded as restarting a woman's period. It isn't until the rise of the state bureaucracies and their monopolization of medical licensing that this issue even became an issue about life at all. The "abortion" debate is an artificial creation of the state and the medical establishment. It has nothing to do with religion or ethics.
Secondly, sexual activity by unmarried couples has never noticeably spiked or declined in the West. There was no "sexual revolution" -- it was another one of the self-absorbed declarations of the Boomers thinking they invented sex. There has always, through all history, been the idea that our morals are in decline and that we have fallen from an age of chastity and self-discipline to one of decadence and laxity. That's simply selective perception -- we know most of us are sluts, but we don't know that our parents and grandparents were sluts, too. They seem above that, and they talk endlessly about responsibility (just as we do once we have kids, who will then worry they have fallen from our high moral standards). The majority of babies born in the Plymouth Colony, that great bastion of Puritanical purity, were out of wedlock. 'Twas ever thus.
Facts won't change anybody's mind, but they might raise the debate above the old false narrative of "the decline of our morals." There has been no such decline. In human psychology, nothing ever changes. Living generations always think they are "different," either better or worse, but they aren't.
You're never going to argue somebody into or out of a strongly-held belief. Polemics serve to influence people on the fence, and very few people are on the fence about abortion.
There are a few misunderstandings of history involved in the debate, though. Socially (and legally) acceptable abortion did not begin with Roe v Wade, it's as old as human ethical codes. Life was held to begin at the quickening (not the one from Highlander -- roughly the end of the first trimester) and self-aborting by means of various homespun remedies was simply regarded as restarting a woman's period. It isn't until the rise of the state bureaucracies and their monopolization of medical licensing that this issue even became an issue about life at all. The "abortion" debate is an artificial creation of the state and the medical establishment. It has nothing to do with religion or ethics.
Secondly, sexual activity by unmarried couples has never noticeably spiked or declined in the West. There was no "sexual revolution" -- it was another one of the self-absorbed declarations of the Boomers thinking they invented sex. There has always, through all history, been the idea that our morals are in decline and that we have fallen from an age of chastity and self-discipline to one of decadence and laxity. That's simply selective perception -- we know most of us are sluts, but we don't know that our parents and grandparents were sluts, too. They seem above that, and they talk endlessly about responsibility (just as we do once we have kids, who will then worry they have fallen from our high moral standards). The majority of babies born in the Plymouth Colony, that great bastion of Puritanical purity, were out of wedlock. 'Twas ever thus.
Facts won't change anybody's mind, but they might raise the debate above the old false narrative of "the decline of our morals." There has been no such decline. In human psychology, nothing ever changes. Living generations always think they are "different," either better or worse, but they aren't.
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Crusades!!!!!!!
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: What is your political stance?
Remember. Planned Parenthood is 90% abortions (John Kyl).
Good article for anyone to read. Seems education and birth control drastically reduce the number of abortions. Things that Planned Parenthood does. Funny we want to stop funding them.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/240535.php
Remember. Planned Parenthood is 90% abortions (John Kyl).
Good article for anyone to read. Seems education and birth control drastically reduce the number of abortions. Things that Planned Parenthood does. Funny we want to stop funding them.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/240535.php
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: What is your political stance?
Ah, the glory days. When we could kill Muslims and nobody cared.