West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

[Chuck Schwartz]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

WISCONSIN
Andy Bohmbach-Blake Geoffrion(C)-Craig Smith
Jordy Murray-Derek Stepan-Michael Davies
Ben Street(C)-Aaron Bendickson-Ben Grotting
John Mitchell-Sean Dolan-Podge Turnbull

Ryan McDonagh(C)-Jake Gardiner
Brendan Smith-John Ramage
Cody Goloubef-Justin Schultz

Scott Gudmandson

VERMONT
Colin Vock-Brayden Irwin-Sebastian Stalberg
Josh Burrows-Brian Roloff-Chris McCarthy
Brett Leonard-Jay Anctil-Tobias Nilsson Roos
Jack Downing-Jonathan Higgins-David Pacan

Drew MacKenzie-Kyle Medvec
Dan Lawson-Kevan Miller
Patrick Cullity-Anders Franzon

Rob Madore

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

First and foremost you needn't dumb anything down for me or anyone else. You accomplished that feat with your first incoherent post bottom feeder.

You either don't know what incoherent means or you are a retard.

As for your lil' anti-UMass-Lowell rant by all means continue on with your slagging of the Riverhawks as if I actually give a rat's a** about that outfit. The subject was Vermont's blatant unworthiness so why not grab your Ritalin and focus on the subject at hand.

It sure has got you all hot and bothered for something you don't give a rat's *** for. And you have done nothing to show me you aren't a disgruntled riverhawk that created a new alias. But maybe, I mean why would you brag about going to Cornell unless you really did go there.....either way who cares. Let's go with the whole you are really telling the truth thing and pretend you go to Cornell.

As for the issue at hand my objection to Vermont's inclusion in the NCAA tournament is anything but reactionary and their overall record (if you were actually able to comprehend what I posted) was but one factor in my argument. Try taking a look at the totality of Vermont's season instead of continuing to drink from the font of infected Kool-Aid you so willingly and naively consume at the NCAA's behest and you might actually come to the only appropriate conclusion that the use Pair Wise Rankings is a wholly flawed method of choosing tourney invitees.

Still a moron, the totality of the season is the very thing you fail to grasp. You can't see past an 8th place HE finish. If you looked at the totality of the season you wouldn't be here acting like a Dick.

The whole Pair Wise Rankings system is based on arbitrary designations of stong teams and weak teams with teams from the AHA and CHA being designated as the "weak sisters" of Division I. Who says the AHA and CHA are weaker conferences? A mope like you? Please. Seriously, buy a clue.

Are you trying out for Forrest Gump II?
No one designates anything. You EARN an RPI number based on your record against other teams. No one says any conference is weaker......its based on the numbers. Do you think the RPI is something that the NCAA assigns teams?

The only fair and equitable way to award bids is to do it this way: Award sixteen (16) bids. Five (5) bids to the conference champions of each of the now remaining five conferences. Ten (10) bids to the two (2) top finishers in each conference (excluding the conference champion if they happen to finish in the top two), and one at-large bid to be granted to the best remaining team. This at-large bid could be granted to any team especially a team like Alabama-Huntsville that will be playing as an independent next season.

That's the stupidest idea I have ever heard. So tell me why I would schedule OOC games against anyone other then AIC, Bentley or UAH?? Heck why play any OOC games at all? And why have at large bids? May as well just take the league champs and put them in a double elimination tournament.

Lastly, if I were inclined to puffery (Google this word mope) I would claim Harvard, Yale, and Dartmouth pedigree. Since I am not so inclined I will advise that I most assuredly attended the "blue collar" Ivy school, the "working man's" Ivy school, the "military-friendly" Ivy school, and the best **** school in the whole Ivy League - CORNELL! ...and if you don't believe me I will send you a picture of my chest scars for each time my alma mater has ripped out my heart.

HUA !!!!
Now go dig some ditches dummy.

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

WISCONSIN
Andy Bohmbach-Blake Geoffrion(C)-Craig Smith
Jordy Murray-Derek Stepan-Michael Davies
Ben Street(C)-Aaron Bendickson-Ben Grotting
John Mitchell-Sean Dolan-Podge Turnbull

Ryan McDonagh(C)-Jake Gardiner
Brendan Smith-John Ramage
Cody Goloubef-Justin Schultz

Scott Gudmandson

VERMONT
Colin Vock-Brayden Irwin-Sebastian Stalberg
Josh Burrows-Brian Roloff-Chris McCarthy
Brett Leonard-Jay Anctil-Tobias Nilsson Roos
Jack Downing-Jonathan Higgins-David Pacan

Drew MacKenzie-Kyle Medvec
Dan Lawson-Kevan Miller
Patrick Cullity-Anders Franzon

Rob Madore

Crap !!! Stacey's not in....

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

The only fair and equitable way to award bids is to do it this way: Award sixteen (16) bids. Five (5) bids to the conference champions of each of the now remaining five conferences. Ten (10) bids to the two (2) top finishers in each conference (excluding the conference champion if they happen to finish in the top two), and one at-large bid to be granted to the best remaining team. This at-large bid could be granted to any team especially a team like Alabama-Huntsville that will be playing as an independent next season.

So 3 possible AHA teams get in? And that's what you think would be fair?

The best way to get into the tourney? Win.

 

[BeloBrasil]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

What has the AHA or CHA done to make anyone think of them as something other than a second class conference...

Well let me think... Hmmmmm. How about Bemidji's wins over Notre Dame and Cornell during last year's tourney? What about Air Force's defeat of Michigan during last year's tourney. I see UAH beat Notre Dame this year. I also see Bentley beat (then nationally ranked) UMass-Amherst in December. I also note Sacred Heart's win over Union.

...and what about lowly lil Robert Morris? They only managed victories against Alaska-Anchorage, Quinnipiac, and then they topped it all off with a two game sweep of Miami in January.

...and in basketball there is NO WAY Northern Iowa can beat Kansas or Butler can beat Syracuse. Just no way at all! Kansas and Syracuse are just way too strong. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

What has the AHA or CHA done to make anyone think of them as something other than a second class conference...

Well let me think... Hmmmmm. How about Bemidji's wins over Notre Dame and Cornell during last year's tourney? What about Air Force's defeat of Michigan during last year's tourney. I see UAH beat Notre Dame this year. I also see Bentley beat (then nationally ranked) UMass-Amherst in December. I also note Sacred Heart's win over Union.

...and what about lowly lil Robert Morris? They only managed victories against Alaska-Anchorage, Quinnipiac, and then they topped it all off with a two game sweep of Miami in January.

But as you have said, you have to look at the season in totality. UAH beat ND this year, did they only play one game?

Apparently, SH only played one game too, against Union?

Not too mention with the exception of Miami how many of the teams that got beat this year by SH, RM, AFA, UAH made it to the tourney??

 

[BeloBrasil]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

What has the AHA or CHA done to make anyone think of them as something other than a second class conference...

Well let me think... Hmmmmm. How about Bemidji's wins over Notre Dame and Cornell during last year's tourney? What about Air Force's defeat of Michigan during last year's tourney. I see UAH beat Notre Dame this year. I also see Bentley beat (then nationally ranked) UMass-Amherst in December. I also note Sacred Heart's win over Union.

...and what about lowly lil Robert Morris? They only managed victories against Alaska-Anchorage, Quinnipiac, and then they topped it all off with a two game sweep of Miami in January.

...and in basketball there is NO WAY Northern Iowa can beat Kansas or Butler can beat Syracuse. Just no way at all! Kansas and Syracuse are just way too strong. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

Well let me think... Hmmmmm. How about Bemidji's wins over Notre Dame and Cornell during last year's tourney? What about Air Force's defeat of Michigan during last year's tourney. I see UAH beat Notre Dame this year. I also see Bentley beat (then nationally ranked) UMass-Amherst in December. I also note Sacred Heart's win over Union.

...and what about lowly lil Robert Morris? They only managed victories against Alaska-Anchorage, Quinnipiac, and then they topped it all off with a two game sweep of Miami in January.

...and in basketball there is NO WAY Northern Iowa can beat Kansas or Butler can beat Syracuse. Just no way at all! Kansas and Syracuse are just way too strong. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

It's a one and done tournament, anything can happen. But, RMU over Miami is the only truly surprising one of the season. It doesn't matter what they were "then ranked"

Union, UMass, QPac, UAA, and Notre Dame are not in the tournament. The only thing I'll give you is RMU over Miami. That's not enough to warrant 3 possible autobids to the NCAA tournament.

 

[Pucky-Bucky Backer]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

Lastly, if I were inclined to puffery (Google this word mope) I would claim Harvard, Yale, and Dartmouth pedigree. Since I am not so inclined I will advise that I most assuredly attended the "blue collar" Ivy school, the "working man's" Ivy school, the "military-friendly" Ivy school, and the best **** school in the whole Ivy League - CORNELL! ...and if you don't believe me I will send you a picture of my chest scars for each time my alma mater has ripped out my heart.

Talk about an oxymoron: "blue collar Ivy League"?
There is nothing blue collar about any Ivy League school; just a different level of pretentiousness among them. It sounds like you possess a great amount of Ivy-envy!

 

[BeloBrasil]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

Talk about an oxymoron: "blue collar Ivy League"?
There is nothing blue collar about any Ivy League school; just a different level of pretentiousness among them. It sounds like you possess a great amount of Ivy-envy!

For you to claim any such thing is simply proof positive that you know less than nothing about any of the Ivy League schools. Perhaps if you actually knew something about Cornell you would know that Cornell is a land grant institution and that several of the undergraduate "schools" (as they are refered to at Cornell) are overseen by the New York State Board of Regents and are in fact de facto State of New York public schools. The School of Industrial and Labor Relations, Human Ecology, Agriculture and Life Sciences, and Veterinary Studies are all de facto state schools at Cornell with New York State residents receiving discounts on their tuition.

Now, go back and re-read what I just posted there Bucky. Notice I mentioned Agriculture and Life Sciences and Veterinary Medicine. That means we had cows on campus. OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH. I said "COWS"! Tell me do those who hail from your corn-pone state get all excited at the mere mention of anything bovine? I'll bet they do.

 

[Rand]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

For you to claim any such thing is simply proof positive that you know less than nothing about any of the Ivy League schools. Perhaps if you actually knew something about Cornell you would know that Cornell is a land grant institution and that several of the undergraduate "schools" (as they are refered to at Cornell) are overseen by the New York State Board of Regents and are in fact de facto State of New York public schools. The School of Industrial and Labor Relations, Human Ecology, Agriculture and Life Sciences, and Veterinary Studies are all de facto state schools at Cornell with New York State residents receiving discounts on their tuition.

Now, go back and re-read what I just posted there Bucky. Notice I mentioned Agriculture and Life Sciences and Veterinary Medicine. That means we had cows on campus. OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH. I said "COWS"! Tell me do those who hail from your corn-pone state get all excited at the mere mention of anything bovine? I'll bet they do.

Hey Belo???
It's rerally not nice to talk about your own co-eds like that...

 

[Pucky-Bucky Backer]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

For you to claim any such thing is simply proof positive that you know less than nothing about any of the Ivy League schools. Perhaps if you actually knew something about Cornell you would know that Cornell is a land grant institution and that several of the undergraduate "schools" (as they are refered to at Cornell) are overseen by the New York State Board of Regents and are in fact de facto State of New York public schools. The School of Industrial and Labor Relations, Human Ecology, Agriculture and Life Sciences, and Veterinary Studies are all de facto state schools at Cornell with New York State residents receiving discounts on their tuition.

Wow, I didn't know that the Ivy League had a "safety school".

 

[BeloBrasil]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

No one designates anything. You EARN an RPI number based on your record against other teams. No one says any conference is weaker......its based on the numbers. Do you think the RPI is something that the NCAA assigns teams?

That's the stupidest idea I have ever heard. So tell me why I would schedule OOC games against anyone other then AIC, Bentley or UAH?? Heck why play any OOC games at all? And why have at large bids? May as well just take the league champs and put them in a double elimination tournament.

Jesus Christ you really are stupid and naive. Wake up and take a look at the state of Division I college hockey mope. 2010 has brought us the demise of the CHA. In recent years we have seen Wayne State University and Findlay Universtiy drop their programs. Bowling Green has been considering dropping its program for some time and it would not surprise me in the least to read very soon that Providence may also be considering the same. Time will only tell what will happen to UAH as an independent.

Hockey is an ultra-expensive endeavor for many schools and the one sure way to justify the continued existence of any program is a program's ability to make money. So, why would anyone schedule games against anyone other than AIC, Bentley, and UAH? I will tell you why mope. 'cause quality opponents mean significant revenue and at the end of the day a program's ability to make money is the only thing that will save it. Just look at Ohio State Universtiy. They just fired their coach who, by all assessments, had a pretty good run out there at Columbus. However, the OSU hockey team did not draw well so someone had to pay. Attendance counts mope and the best way to draw patrons is scheduling quality opponents.

As for your contention that no one says any conference is weaker is an utter fabrication. You know, I know, and everyone who is a college hockey fan knows the AHA and the now defunct CHA are considered weaker conferences and the shabby manner in which they are treated is a disgrace. If the NCAA continues to downgrade programs like those of the AHA and the CHA they will never allow those programs to cultivate the goodwill necessary for long term survival and we will continue to be fed a steady diet of unworthy teams like Vermont. Please. Vermont had one (1) quality win over an out-of-conference opponent and that was Denver. Yale, Dartmouth, and St. Lawrence are ECAC teams and thus were weaker opponents, and Minnesota-Duluth can't be considered a quality team for despite their superior record they just were not bid worthy. So at the end of the day, mope, you hang your hat on one Denver victory. Way to grow the sport and a hell of a way to run a railroad.

 

[BeloBrasil]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

Wow, I didn't know that the Ivy League had a "safety school".

Well, now you know. Of course not all safety schools are equal. Even though my alma mater is considered the door mat of the Ivy League (and I wear the disdain of the other Ivy schools proudly) I am of the mind that its still light years ahead of any of the schools out there in corn-pone country.

and the cow says "MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Bucky!

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

Well, now you know. Of course not all safety schools are equal. Even though my alma mater is considered the door mat of the Ivy League (and I wear the disdain of the other Ivy schools proudly) I am of the mind that its still light years ahead of any of the schools out there in corn-pone country.

and the cow says "MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Bucky!

It appears that a team OTHER than Vermont may not have deserved their bid. Next time just worry about your own team.

Nice showing, Corndog.

 

[Hockeydkjr22]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

had 2 end on a pp. Tough loss for NMU. 5-5 loved the action just wished the refs would have kept the whistles away

 

[FueledByRamen]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

Well, now you know. Of course not all safety schools are equal. Even though my alma mater is considered the door mat of the Ivy League (and I wear the disdain of the other Ivy schools proudly) I am of the mind that its still light years ahead of any of the schools out there in corn-pone country.

and the cow says "MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Bucky!

So which residence hall at Cornell are you responsible for cleaning, anyway?

 

[Punudski]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

Does anyone know of a video link for this game? I don't have ESPNU

 

[FueledByRamen]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

Does anyone know of a video link for this game? I don't have ESPNU

Video? Hell, I'd settle for radio. 1070 has girls state bouncyball on.

 

[Pucky-Bucky Backer]

Re: West Regional: #1 Wisconsin vs. #4 Vermont, #2 St. Cloud vs. #3 Northern Michigan

Video? Hell, I'd settle for radio. 1070 has girls state bouncyball on.

1310 has the audio of the game.