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Weighing Realignment?

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Tipsy McStagger said:
So much stupid in such a short post.

NCHC teams are on national TV as well. But no one watches either conference. Barely anyone watches NHL games. How many people do you think saw Minnesota vs Wisconsin on DirecTV channel 610?

Were NCHC programs losing money before TV deals? They don't have programs that lose money. Otherwise they never would have been invited. Where are you getting your information that the NCHC is struggling financially? Because we know they sure aren't struggling on the ice. So why do they need realignment?

No one said the B1G will fold. I don't doubt they will be playing terrible hockey forever.
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Now this is rich, I'm pretty sure most hockey programs lose money overall...because they spend just about everything they make to keep pushing the limits of recruiting budgets, travel costs, etc.
 
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RSTuthill said:
Then I think the next dominoes to fall are obvious. QU goes to HE and HC goes to the ECAC beating out RIT.
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That's not that obvious. HC would have to commit to raising their women's team to D-I quality and building a decent rink. RIT already has both of those, along with pre-existing conference affiliations with St.L, Clarkson, RPI, and Union.


Powers &8^]
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Now this is rich, I'm pretty sure most hockey programs lose money overall...because they spend just about everything they make to keep pushing the limits of recruiting budgets, travel costs, etc.
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I guess I should retract my statement if you are "pretty sure" that "most" hockey programs lose money overall. There is clearly no way then that A. you are wrong about the fact that most programs lose money overall, B. you are right that most programs lose money overall, but the 8 programs in the NCHC are not in that majority.
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
I guess I should retract my statement if you are "pretty sure" that "most" hockey programs lose money overall. There is clearly no way then that A. you are wrong about the fact that most programs lose money overall, B. you are right that most programs lose money overall, but the 8 programs in the NCHC are not in that majority.
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I'm not saying the NCHC programs don't make money, I'm just saying that they spend it, so the balance sheet is pretty much always near ZERO. Thats how things typically work...its why so much of D1 athletic talk of schools not being able to afford to pay players is a fallacy because the reason the big schools spend so much on state of the art training facilities or whatever is because they don't have to pay athletes and they have money...that balance sheet still looks close to zero for most programs because they spend almost every penny they get or more on things to improve the program for the future.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Now this is rich, I'm pretty sure most hockey programs lose money overall...because they spend just about everything they make to keep pushing the limits of recruiting budgets, travel costs, etc.
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For years in Durham the prevalent thought was that hockey was the only money making sport on campus, funding other sports.
 
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Darius said:
For years in Durham the prevalent thought was that hockey was the only money making sport on campus, funding other sports.
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You could be correct in my assessment, I may not be properly separating hockey from athletic departments.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I'm not saying the NCHC programs don't make money, I'm just saying that they spend it, so the balance sheet is pretty much always near ZERO. Thats how things typically work...its why so much of D1 athletic talk of schools not being able to afford to pay players is a fallacy because the reason the big schools spend so much on state of the art training facilities or whatever is because they don't have to pay athletes and they have money...that balance sheet still looks close to zero for most programs because they spend almost every penny they get or more on things to improve the program for the future.
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I agree with all of that for the most part. But at schools where D-I hockey is the main money maker, like it is at all of the NCHC schools except for Miami and WMU, I don't think that's the case.
 
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Biddco

I agree with you about what would motivate ND to leave HE and join the NCHC, as there is a strong MN recruiting foot print with in

I don't see travel expenses as an issue for the Irish and travel time would be would be less in the NCHC

It will come down to the TV contract and whether or not the Irish and NCHC can find a way to keep everybody happy
 
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LtPowers said:
That's not that obvious. HC would have to commit to raising their women's team to D-I quality and building a decent rink. RIT already has both of those, along with pre-existing conference affiliations with St.L, Clarkson, RPI, and Union.


Powers &8^]
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Not to mention, RIT would be bringing a TV contract with them (albeit regional, not national), something the EZAC doesn't have. At least the scholarship schools have free online streams, though...
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
Hockey being on the Big Ten Network brings in zero additional money to the schools. So cash doesn't come into play at all here.
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That may be true during this contract. However, it does give the network more original, live programming to sell to spnosrs which will help the network and ultimately the league and the schools. If the audience continues to grow, they will be able to attract more sponsors and charge even more for airtime.
 
BroncoFever said:
Biddco

I agree with you about what would motivate ND to leave HE and join the NCHC, as there is a strong MN recruiting foot print with in

I don't see travel expenses as an issue for the Irish and travel time would be would be less in the NCHC

It will come down to the TV contract and whether or not the Irish and NCHC can find a way to keep everybody happy
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Exactly, well said.
 
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Wouldn't the NCHC want to add Notre Dame due to having the NBC Sports contract? NBC Sports is the premier channel for NHL TV, why not try and attract those eyeballs for conference games as well? Does anyone know when the CBS Sports contract is up? All I could find is "multi-year agreement".
 
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Jasma said:
That may be true during this contract. However, it does give the network more original, live programming to sell to spnosrs which will help the network and ultimately the league and the schools. If the audience continues to grow, they will be able to attract more sponsors and charge even more for airtime.
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http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs...ets-increased-viewership-union-minnesota-nca/
The National title game had 700,000 viewers and that was on ESPN. How many people are going to watch a regular season game? 40k to 50k tops. Not enough people watch to make sponsors care. Just stop.

"See, what you aren't understanding, Progressive Insurance, is that this is original, live programming. That only 25,000 people in the country are watching it is beside the point."
 
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