WCHA Thread V

[pgb-ohio]

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PGB - I am usually 100% aligned with your three star selections and appreciate the fact that you take the time to do this. It is always well done and your selections take into consideration contribution and effort that does not always show up on the scoresheet. Well done.

Thanks; I appreciate that very much.

Without a doubt, the first star of yesterday's game in my humble opinion was Stacey Danczak. She was outstanding from start to finish. A little rusty early on but settled in and played a superb game. As for ARD, few shots and not many of the difficult variety but she did indeed make a few saves. As for the rest of your selections and honorable mentions - bang on as always.

I'm very open to that opinion, and don't take it as a criticism at all. Stacy was awesome. I seriously considered formulations that put her higher on the list.

Had I left myself the option picking individual stars last night, Stacy would have been alone at #2. I still say the Channell/Ryan goal was the play of the game, and needed to be at the top of the list. The #1 Star likely would have remained a tie, as the pass and the shot were both absolutely vital.

Admittedly, the "team theme" I chose for last night's game confused the issue a bit. The Badger Defense > The Buckeye Defense last night, though only by a little. That is why I had Desbiens/Burke one step above Danczak/Sadek.

In the end, I sacrificed a little bit of science for the sake of art. But I do think the 3 Stars are a better read when I can find a theme.

 

[ARM]

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Pgb, I appreciate the fairness of the manner in which you always do your picks. I know it gets tough, particularly in a game where you feel your team did a great job and came out on the short end of the score, but you always show a proper respect for the outcome. Your selections make sense. For an example of a headscratcher, I hope this is a case of the three stars being chosen before the Syracuse rally, otherwise, it is homerism run amok:

http://collegehockeystats.net/1516/boxes/wpsusyr1.f05

 

[pgb-ohio]

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Pgb, I appreciate the fairness of the manner in which you always do your picks. I know it gets tough, particularly in a game where you feel your team did a great job and came out on the short end of the score, but you always show a proper respect for the outcome. Your selections make sense.

Well, that's certainly the goal. Your thumbs up means a lot; I sincerely thank you for the support.

For an example of a headscratcher, I hope this is a case of the three stars being chosen before the Syracuse rally, otherwise, it is homerism run amok:

http://collegehockeystats.net/1516/boxes/wpsusyr1.f05

Wow. That's not just homerism; that's asylum worthy. In other words: The selections, as a group, are irrational on their face.

I do have a theory as to what may have happened. At some rinks, the 3 Stars are chosen with the members of the media casting ballots. To make this happen, the balloting is done a few minutes before the end of the game. You'll know this, but many may not: When the final horn sounds, media people waste no time getting down to the interview room(s). At the same time, the final stats sheet is being prepared under time pressure. Start the voting after the game is over? Not happening. So my theory is that the ballots were indeed collected prior to the Syracuse rally.

In this specific circumstance, "democracy" is really too slow. Better to have a single person make the selections, IMHO. This is particularly true if the stars must be announced over the PA system before the fans leave the building. Employing a cumbersome system, prone to yielding ridiculous results, makes no sense. Destroy your credibility and even the good selections become meaningless.

 

[pgb-ohio]

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Final Score From Saturday, February 6th
Wisconsin 2
Ohio State 0

The Song Remains The Same​

The script was strikingly similar to Friday's. Another strong defensive effort; but a few clutch Badger breakthroughs gave us another Heartbreaker. Good Times, Bad Times at the OSU Ice Rink. This year we've seen our share. But you know what? I'll always care. All we can do is Ramble On.

The 3 Stars of the Game: Decidedly Unofficial and Just For Fun​

Wisconsin Honorable Mention: Ann-Renee Desbiens
Only another shutout. With just an Honorable Mention, I feel like I'm taking Wisconsin's All-World Goalie a bit for granted. As is so often the case, ARD gave No Quarter. From here to Kashmir, there's no finer goalie.

Ohio State Honorable Mention: (tie) Cara Zubko; Lauren Boyle; Dani Sadek; Alexa Ranahan
#2, #6, #8, #21. Numerical Order: A Fine Buckeye Tradition. The four member D Corps was small in number but mighty in heart. Dazed and Confused by the Wisconsin attack? Not in the least. Their staunch effort held the powerful Badgers largely at bay.


#3 Star: Alex LaMere, Ohio State
Another great performance by a Buckeye Goalie. Both Alex and Stacy have grown a great deal this year; both did themselves proud this weekend. 35 saves for Alex today. Yes, the Badgers got the goals they needed. But the Levee never broke.

#2 Star: (tie)Emily Clark, Wisconsin and Sam Cogan, Wisconsin
This time the insurance goal stayed the insurance goal. Coming early in the 3rd Period -- scored by Cogan, assisted by Clark -- it really took the wind out of the Buckeyes' sails. It was yet another Badger give and go play. Also note that Emily had a fine day in the face-off circle, winning 13 of 20 attempts. While I'm at it, here's a nod to Sydney McKibbon. The second line center was 17 of 24 on the draw.

#1 Star: Annie Pankowski, Wisconsin
Not a news flash, but Pankowski is a difference-maker who creates danger all game long. In this tight series, a few key plays made an enormous difference. Annie's playmaking led directly to today's biggest.

On the GWG, Erika Sowchuk kept a Badger possession alive below the goal line, then moved the puck along to Annie. Erika then darted into the slot, which proved to be important. The dynamic Pankowski emerged from heavy defensive pressure along the boards with the puck. Meanwhile, Baylee Willhausen was crashing the net to Sowchuk's left, giving Annie two targets. Annie chose Baylee. Willhausen dutifully Planted the puck for the game-changing goal.

Next Up: Time To Turn The Page. Road Trip to Bemidji State.

Challenge For Fans Of Classic Rock 'N Roll: Can you count the number of Led Zeppelin references?

 

[osualum86]

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Pgb-Ohio, excellent job on the three stars this weekend! You know me, I am not into moral victories. There are no moral victories, you either win or you lose. However, I appreciate the effort and improvement our team has shown during the second half of this season. The girls played their hearts out this weekend. If they can duplicate that effort, I think they can get some wins in the last two weekends of the regular season.

Props to that Wisconsin team and coaching staff. Their defense and goaltending just might get them another National Title. They are that good. That defense just smothers you and you just do not get many quality scoring chances. While I am at it, I have to give credit to my Buckeyes, too, as they held Wisconsin to four goals this weekend. When the teams met in Madison last fall, the Badgers won by final scores of 7-0 and 8-0. Clearly, the Bucks have improved over the course of this season. Good luck to both teams for the remainder of the season.

Since this is a WCHA thread, I also want to say it was great this past weekend to read and see that Amanda Kessel was able to get back on the ice for the Gophers. Amanda was kind enough to take a picture with me during the 2012-13 season at the OSU Ice Rink.

 

[Blackbeard]

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Final Score From Saturday, February 6th
Wisconsin 2
Ohio State 0

The Song Remains The Same​

The script was strikingly similar to Friday's. Another strong defensive effort; but a few clutch Badger breakthroughs gave us another Heartbreaker. Good Times, Bad Times at the OSU Ice Rink. This year we've seen our share. But you know what? I'll always care. All we can do is Ramble On.

The 3 Stars of the Game: Decidedly Unofficial and Just For Fun​

Wisconsin Honorable Mention: Ann-Renee Desbiens
Only another shutout. With just an Honorable Mention, I feel like I'm taking Wisconsin's All-World Goalie a bit for granted. As is so often the case, ARD gave No Quarter. From here to Kashmir, there's no finer goalie.

Ohio State Honorable Mention: (tie) Cara Zubko; Lauren Boyle; Dani Sadek; Alexa Ranahan
#2, #6, #8, #21. Numerical Order: A Fine Buckeye Tradition. The four member D Corps was small in number but mighty in heart. Dazed and Confused by the Wisconsin attack? Not in the least. Their staunch effort held the powerful Badgers largely at bay.


#3 Star: Alex LaMere, Ohio State
Another great performance by a Buckeye Goalie. Both Alex and Stacy have grown a great deal this year; both did themselves proud this weekend. 35 saves for Alex today. Yes, the Badgers got the goals they needed. But the Levee never broke.

#2 Star: (tie)Emily Clark, Wisconsin and Sam Cogan, Wisconsin
This time the insurance goal stayed the insurance goal. Coming early in the 3rd Period -- scored by Cogan, assisted by Clark -- it really took the wind out of the Buckeyes' sails. It was yet another Badger give and go play. Also note that Emily had a fine day in the face-off circle, winning 13 of 20 attempts. While I'm at it, here's a nod to Sydney McKibbon. The second line center was 17 of 24 on the draw.

#1 Star: Annie Pankowski, Wisconsin
Not a news flash, but Pankowski is a difference-maker who creates danger all game long. In this tight series, a few key plays made an enormous difference. Annie's playmaking led directly to today's biggest.

On the GWG, Erika Sowchuk kept a Badger possession alive below the goal line, then moved the puck along to Annie. Erika then darted into the slot, which proved to be important. The dynamic Pankowski emerged from heavy defensive pressure along the boards with the puck. Meanwhile, Baylee Willhausen was crashing the net to Sowchuk's left, giving Annie two targets. Annie chose Baylee. Willhausen dutifully Planted the puck for the game-changing goal.

Next Up: Time To Turn The Page. Road Trip to Bemidji State.

Challenge For Fans Of Classic Rock 'N Roll: Can you count the number of Led Zeppelin references?

Read your first paragraph and immediately thought of this oldie (then for some reason I glanced down to the bottom of your article and read your question. There are no coincidences. This was before Zeppelin.)

And, great job as usual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnnTqWq9ymA

 

[pgb-ohio]

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Pgb-Ohio, excellent job on the three stars this weekend! You know me, I am not into moral victories. There are no moral victories, you either win or you lose. However, I appreciate the effort and improvement our team has shown during the second half of this season. The girls played their hearts out this weekend. If they can duplicate that effort, I think they can get some wins in the last two weekends of the regular season.

Hope so, and think so. Selfishly, I'm especially hoping for points in the two home games. But will certainly take whatever good news comes our way.

Props to that Wisconsin team and coaching staff. Their defense and goaltending just might get them another National Title. They are that good. That defense just smothers you and you just do not get many quality scoring chances. While I am at it, I have to give credit to my Buckeyes, too, as they held Wisconsin to four goals this weekend. When the teams met in Madison last fall, the Badgers won by final scores of 7-0 and 8-0. Clearly, the Bucks have improved over the course of this season. Good luck to both teams for the remainder of the season.

Agreed.

Since this is a WCHA thread, I also want to say it was great this past weekend to read and see that Amanda Kessel was able to get back on the ice for the Gophers. Amanda was kind enough to take a picture with me during the 2012-13 season at the OSU Ice Rink.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...870.1073741831.100000536248848&type=3&theater

Link didn't work for me; probably because I'm not a Facebook member. But I'll certainly take your word for it. Nice item to have for any hockey fan, BTW.

Read your first paragraph and immediately thought of this oldie (then for some reason I glanced down to the bottom of your article and read your question. There are no coincidences. This was before Zeppelin.)

And, great job as usual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnnTqWq9ymA

I had no idea the Stones had recorded a song by the same name! It even had the "seen my share" lyric. Enjoyed the clip; thanks for taking the time to post that.

As for the Zeppelin references, you do realize that Good Times, Bad Times was actually the 3rd song mentioned in my post, correct? Overall, "planted" 8 songs titles and 2 band member names. Also, there's a bonus song title over in the series thread.

Glad you picked up on this. I know the music of the '60s and '70s is a little too old for some on the board. But what we now call "British Invasion" music will always be at or near the top of my list.

 

[osualum86]

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Pgb, for some reason, the link didn't work for me either (and it's my facebook page ... go figure), so I removed it. Love the three stars, and yes, I am old enough to get the references to Led Zeppelin and the other great bands of the 60s & 70s!

 

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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Final Score From Saturday, February 6th
Wisconsin 2
Ohio State 0

1. The Song Remains The Same​

The script was strikingly similar to Friday's. Another strong defensive effort; but a few clutch Badger breakthroughs gave us another 2. Heartbreaker. 3. Good Times, Bad Times at the OSU Ice Rink. This year we've seen our share. But you know what? I'll always care. All we can do is 4. Ramble On.

The 3 Stars of the Game: Decidedly Unofficial and Just For Fun​

Wisconsin Honorable Mention: Ann-Renee Desbiens
Only another shutout. With just an Honorable Mention, I feel like I'm taking Wisconsin's All-World Goalie a bit for granted. As is so often the case, ARD gave 5. No Quarter. From here to 6. Kashmir, there's no finer goalie.

Ohio State Honorable Mention: (tie) Cara Zubko; Lauren Boyle; Dani Sadek; Alexa Ranahan
#2, #6, #8, #21. Numerical Order: A Fine Buckeye Tradition. The four member D Corps was small in number but mighty in heart. 7. Dazed and Confused by the Wisconsin attack? Not in the least. Their staunch effort held the powerful Badgers largely at bay.


#3 Star: Alex LaMere, Ohio State
Another great performance by a Buckeye Goalie. Both Alex and Stacy have grown a great deal this year; both did themselves proud this weekend. 35 saves for Alex today. Yes, the Badgers got the goals they needed. But the 8. Levee never broke.

#2 Star: (tie)Emily Clark, Wisconsin and Sam Cogan, Wisconsin
This time the insurance goal stayed the insurance goal. Coming early in the 3rd Period -- scored by Cogan, assisted by Clark -- it really took the wind out of the Buckeyes' sails. It was yet another Badger give and go play. Also note that Emily had a fine day in the face-off circle, winning 13 of 20 attempts. While I'm at it, here's a nod to Sydney McKibbon. The second line center was 17 of 24 on the draw.

#1 Star: Annie Pankowski, Wisconsin
Not a news flash, but Pankowski is a difference-maker who creates danger all game long. In this tight series, a few key plays made an enormous difference. Annie's playmaking led directly to today's biggest.

On the GWG, Erika Sowchuk kept a Badger possession alive below the goal line, then moved the puck along to Annie. Erika then darted into the slot, which proved to be important. The dynamic Pankowski emerged from heavy defensive pressure along the boards with the puck. Meanwhile, Baylee Willhausen was crashing the net to Sowchuk's left, giving Annie two targets. Annie chose Baylee. Willhausen dutifully 9. Planted the puck for the game-changing goal.

Next Up: Time To Turn The 10. Page. Road Trip to Bemidji State.

Challenge For Fans Of Classic Rock 'N Roll: Can you count the number of Led Zeppelin references?

Love the references. (Bonus - Stairway To Heaven) You made it pretty easy by capitalizing...

 

[pgb-ohio]

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Love the references. (Bonus - Stairway To Heaven) You made it pretty easy by capitalizing...

Well done; and very true. Only Jimmy Page was a little hidden, as my "Next Up" was an all-caps headline, as is usually the case.

Thanks for playing.

 

[pgb-ohio]

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Pgb, I appreciate the fairness of the manner in which you always do your picks. I know it gets tough, particularly in a game where you feel your team did a great job and came out on the short end of the score, but you always show a proper respect for the outcome. Your selections make sense.

Just quickly revisiting this: There are times when a member of the losing team can be selected as the #1 Star without disrespecting the outcome. A recent game from MN High School Hockey provides a nice illustration.

Apple Valley goalie Taylor Deforrest made 111 saves over the course of a 6 OT loss to East Ridge. The East Ridge goalie made 38 saves. The previous record for saves in an OT game for MN HS Girls was 59, in a game of similar length.

Under these circumstances, it might make perfect sense to make Taylor the #1 Star, while giving #2 and #3 to East Ridge.

 

[ARM]

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There are times when a member of the losing team can be selected as the #1 Star without disrespecting the outcome.

Agreed, and the person doesn't have to do something Herculean. It's just odd for the winning team to get no stars, especially the person who scores the OT goal. I agree also with your description of what likely happened; I just think that somebody has to veto the vote at that point and pick stars that make sense for the change in outcome.

 

[pgb-ohio]

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Agreed, and the person doesn't have to do something Herculean. It's just odd for the winning team to get no stars, especially the person who scores the OT goal. I agree also with your description of what likely happened; I just think that somebody has to veto the vote at that point and pick stars that make sense for the change in outcome.

Or simply list the results as "Unavailable" if making substitute selections is uncomfortable.

Agree with you 100% on the need for veto power. It makes no sense to publish something that will hold the process up for ridicule.

 

[CrazyDave]

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To avoid saying that I'm favoring one team or the other in this upcoming weekend's series (though, of course, I am ), I'll just drop this here.

Players of the Week - February 16
Offense: Dani Cameranesi, Minnesota (3G, 2A vs. UMD)
Defense: Courtney Burke, Wisconsin (1G, 5A vs. MSU)
Rookie: Sophia Shaver, Wisconsin (3A, +5 rating vs. MSU)

 

[Timothy A]

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For the wcha final 4, I assume WI will be the home team and use the home bench, correct? I am pondering a trip out there and would like to sit behind the UW bench, though all the rodent fans probably have snatched those seats up weeks/months ago. Otherwise maybe I'll do the GA to be flexible on where I want to sit. Thanks.

 

[KTDC]

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For the wcha final 4, I assume WI will be the home team and use the home bench, correct? I am pondering a trip out there and would like to sit behind the UW bench, though all the rodent fans probably have snatched those seats up weeks/months ago. Otherwise maybe I'll do the GA to be flexible on where I want to sit. Thanks.

I don't think MJ has to choose that bench, right? He can choose the other bench where UW will feel more at home and comfortable.

Right behind the Gopher bench is Section 5, and there are seats currently available in the first two rows behind the bench.

 

[ARM]

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For the wcha final 4, I assume WI will be the home team and use the home bench, correct?

In 2010, UMD was the high seed, and demanded the "home" bench. The Gophers used their home locker room, and it created traffic problems with teams needing to crossover in the corridor. After that, the WCHA took control over what team is assigned what bench. UW has always opted for the visitors bench, because that is the one they are accustomed to using. Plus, they elect to take a locker room in Mariucci, where the locker rooms have more space, so there isn't any corridor congestion. The Badgers have always been a much friendlier rival.

 

[pokechecker]

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In 2010, UMD was the high seed, and demanded the "home" bench. The Gophers used their home locker room, and it created traffic problems with teams needing to crossover in the corridor. After that, the WCHA took control over what team is assigned what bench. UW has always opted for the visitors bench, because that is the one they are accustomed to using. Plus, they elect to take a locker room in Mariucci, where the locker rooms have more space, so there isn't any corridor congestion. The Badgers have always been a much friendlier rival.

and that's because of the mascots, it has nothing to do with the coaches

which brings up the question, WI is the home team, if they elect to use the "visitors" bench, I am assuming their goalie starts the 1st period at the south goal, and not the north goal.

When Ridder was first open, the windows were not covered, they said the covering was to prevent people from standing outside watching, but I wonder if it didn't have more to do with afternoon games, light in the home team goalies eyes for two periods.

At old Mariucci/Williams the goalies flipped sides halfway thru the third period when it was an afternoon game.

 

[ARM]

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When Ridder was first open, the windows were not covered, they said the covering was to prevent people from standing outside watching, but I wonder if it didn't have more to do with afternoon games, light in the home team goalies eyes for two periods.

There are day games where the sun will shine on spots on the ice, and arena staff will put up more of the temporary black curtains near the doors to the lobby.

 

[wwhyte]

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Plus, they elect to take a locker room in Mariucci, where the locker rooms have more space, so there isn't any corridor congestion.

Just curious, is there a tunnel linking the two rinks?