Squarebanks
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ANC/FAI-Minny is five hours nonstop on a jet. Tack on a couple more hours on a prop, plus at least one fuel stop, and it sounds like a positively horrible experience.
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WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conference
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ANC/FAI-Minny is five hours nonstop on a jet. Tack on a couple more hours on a prop, plus at least one fuel stop, and it sounds like a positively horrible experience.
Dood, auto-bid.
BSU changed in Seattle. 15 hrs BSU -> FAI
Squarebanks
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BSU was also on a jet the whole way. Which makes a big difference.
manurespreader
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
To be on a jet you have to leave Bemidji and drive to someplace where a jet is. that adds time. BG would most likely drive to Detroit, Tech and NMU i would guess drive down to Green Bay, so now we have an overnight. Flying a prop can be done right from your town. so you have 1 stop and not an over night. in the BG case, 2 hour flight, 1.5 hour connection, 6 hour flight. no change in seattle or salt lake or chicago. yes it's a long day, but it's one day not two.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
No one of sound mind is flying a Dornier 328 from the Lower 48 to ANC or FAI. Not only do they lack the baggage capacity for a hockey team (which is why WCHA teams bus to bigger cities to fly commercial in the first place), but I've been on that plane, and they are loud, obnoxious pieces of sh*t that get tossed around and are subject to wind shear in unpredictable Rockies turbulence.
EDIT: Also, you're forgetting that if the league owned a plane outright, they would be on the hook for insurance, fuel, hangar/parking fees, landing fees, paying probably at least 2-3 crews, etc.
Case closed.
No one of sound mind is flying a Dornier 328 from the Lower 48 to ANC or FAI. Not only do they lack the baggage capacity for a hockey team (which is why WCHA teams bus to bigger cities to fly commercial in the first place), but I've been on that plane, and they are loud, obnoxious pieces of sh*t that get tossed around and are subject to wind shear in unpredictable Rockies turbulence.
EDIT: Also, you're forgetting that if the league owned a plane outright, they would be on the hook for insurance, fuel, hangar/parking fees, landing fees, paying probably at least 2-3 crews, etc.
Case closed.
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NMU flew out of MSP to FAI last year and has done it out of MQT several times. My MQT-FAI trips have ranged from 16-21 1/2 hours. ANC, 9-16.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
SAW/MQT has a much longer runway due to being a former AFB, and better weather due to being inland and not on a peninsula.
D328 also has a substantially lower max takeoff weight than a CRJ. I suppose if NMU bought all the seats/chartered out the whole CRJ from Sawyer, then including gear, it probably works. Or if the NCAA sent a 737, like they did for Tech the last couple of playoff trips.
SAW/MQT has a much longer runway due to being a former AFB, and better weather due to being inland and not on a peninsula.
D328 also has a substantially lower max takeoff weight than a CRJ. I suppose if NMU bought all the seats/chartered out the whole CRJ from Sawyer, then including gear, it probably works. Or if the NCAA sent a 737, like they did for Tech the last couple of playoff trips.
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manurespreader
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
I'll try to clarify. The teams fly commercial from Minneapolis to ANC or Fairbanks, (or from chicago, who cares). but the league, instead of having them bus to minny, leases a plane to fly them from the city they are in, to Minneapolis or from Minneapolis to the city they are in to play in.. This is often a significant bus ride.
For instance take LSSU. As it is now, to get to ANC they fly on a crummy commuter to Detroit, wait 4 hours, then on a flight to Seattle, wait 4 more hours, then on a flight to ANC. But if the league had a plane for their use, it would be one flight to Minneapolis, 1.5 hours, and connect to direct to ANC with minimal wait.
Coming back it's even better because the flight back is a red eye. leave ANC at midnight, arrive Minneapolis at 8 am, plane picks you up and you are home at 10:30. vs going to Seattle, arriving at 5 am, waiting 4 hours, fly to Minnesota or Detroit or Chicago, change again, fly to an airport near home, take the bus. Arrive at midnight.
And I particularly said lease/own. either way you pay. it's different than a charter because the league has 100% call on the plane and it's a lot cheaper.And some of these planes have bigger luggage capacity than others.
Sure but... NO ONE is suggesting that plane fly to ANC, that's nuts.Or over the rockies, either, what i am suggesting is that it fly from Bg to Minnesota. or Bemidji to Huntsville. It's not going to happen, of course, but you all want a solution, it's a solution.
I'll try to clarify. The teams fly commercial from Minneapolis to ANC or Fairbanks, (or from chicago, who cares). but the league, instead of having them bus to minny, leases a plane to fly them from the city they are in, to Minneapolis or from Minneapolis to the city they are in to play in.. This is often a significant bus ride.
For instance take LSSU. As it is now, to get to ANC they fly on a crummy commuter to Detroit, wait 4 hours, then on a flight to Seattle, wait 4 more hours, then on a flight to ANC. But if the league had a plane for their use, it would be one flight to Minneapolis, 1.5 hours, and connect to direct to ANC with minimal wait.
Coming back it's even better because the flight back is a red eye. leave ANC at midnight, arrive Minneapolis at 8 am, plane picks you up and you are home at 10:30. vs going to Seattle, arriving at 5 am, waiting 4 hours, fly to Minnesota or Detroit or Chicago, change again, fly to an airport near home, take the bus. Arrive at midnight.
And I particularly said lease/own. either way you pay. it's different than a charter because the league has 100% call on the plane and it's a lot cheaper.And some of these planes have bigger luggage capacity than others.
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JohnsonsJerseys
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
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Good news! I guess the WCHA front office does read this page. Due to some of the required logo changes in MLB next season, the WCHA has acquired a plane for the league's teams to use at minimal cost. All it needs is a new paint job. We're all traveling in style to Alaska now...
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FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
Got it now. Certainly makes more sense as a shuttle to/from MSP.
As you admit, still won't happen. Makes for a fun idea though.
"Crummy commuter" - dontcha know the CRJ-200 is properly called the "Flying Bus"?
DC-3, eh? Must've bought it from Allegiant.
Got it now. Certainly makes more sense as a shuttle to/from MSP.
As you admit, still won't happen. Makes for a fun idea though.
"Crummy commuter" - dontcha know the CRJ-200 is properly called the "Flying Bus"?
DC-3, eh? Must've bought it from Allegiant.
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aparch
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Call the stewardess, Vaughn. I need one of those bags!
Lost_Husky
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
I like this idea a lot. It would streamline a lot.
IMO, if one of the biggest knock on the league is the travel, one would think the league would think outside the box to fix that. This kind of proposal would make the experience much more tolerable. As stated, now you are dealing with flights into/out of MSP only. It because your travel hub.
Let's expand the proposal a bit and talk about using it for Huntsville as well. It could alleviate travel there as well.
I like this idea a lot. It would streamline a lot.
IMO, if one of the biggest knock on the league is the travel, one would think the league would think outside the box to fix that. This kind of proposal would make the experience much more tolerable. As stated, now you are dealing with flights into/out of MSP only. It because your travel hub.
Let's expand the proposal a bit and talk about using it for Huntsville as well. It could alleviate travel there as well.
Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
That wasn't why Bergeron said he wanted out of the league.
That wasn't why Bergeron said he wanted out of the league.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
He wants out because of the PWR hit to playing so many bottom 10 teams? No matter who you play it’s hard to beat them 4 teams.
He wants out because of the PWR hit to playing so many bottom 10 teams? No matter who you play it’s hard to beat them 4 teams.
manurespreader
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
Jets in general are much higher to operate. think 14- 20 dollars per mile instead of 8-10 dollars per mile. A bus is 3.50 per mile. A CRJ would be a lot nicer and quicker in this role but not close enough on the money to be feasible. A turbo prop you might be able to handle.You might also get lucky and find a Dornier jet at a discount but it's not really much faster than the turbo prop. 350 ktas.
If you really wanted to do it, get a Dash 8 - 200 which can carry the cargo, and has the capacity for fuel enough that if the weather was bad you can still go.. the Dornier is a lot faster plane though and more efficient and cheaper. it could do it as long as you limited it to 30 seats or less and used the 200 version and not the 100. There are some other possible planes but that's getting too detailed for a discussion that isn't going anywhere anyway.
You don't want to do a CRJ 200 charter to Alaska. It doesn't have the fuel to make the trip. You might get away with a 900 but even then it would have to stop at least once. It's very tough to find a deal/lease on CRJ 200 flying. all you can find are charters which are normally highway robbery.
Jets in general are much higher to operate. think 14- 20 dollars per mile instead of 8-10 dollars per mile. A bus is 3.50 per mile. A CRJ would be a lot nicer and quicker in this role but not close enough on the money to be feasible. A turbo prop you might be able to handle.You might also get lucky and find a Dornier jet at a discount but it's not really much faster than the turbo prop. 350 ktas.
If you really wanted to do it, get a Dash 8 - 200 which can carry the cargo, and has the capacity for fuel enough that if the weather was bad you can still go.. the Dornier is a lot faster plane though and more efficient and cheaper. it could do it as long as you limited it to 30 seats or less and used the 200 version and not the 100. There are some other possible planes but that's getting too detailed for a discussion that isn't going anywhere anyway.
beaverhockeyfan
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
Looks like the Beavers will have a home exhibition against the Lakehead Thunderwolves on Saturday, October 6!
http://lakesuperiornews.com/Sports/Thunderwolves-2018-19-hockey-schedule
Looks like the Beavers will have a home exhibition against the Lakehead Thunderwolves on Saturday, October 6!
http://lakesuperiornews.com/Sports/Thunderwolves-2018-19-hockey-schedule
purpleinnebraska
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
The Beavers and Lakehead...joke's just write themselves, don't they?
The Beavers and Lakehead...joke's just write themselves, don't they?
Lost_Husky
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Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
I didn't say the biggest. I said one of them. As Shirtless said, the bottom of the league is overall the biggest knock. Money, or lack there of, is another. Top it off, at least 2 schools openly talking about wanting to leave.
I didn't say the biggest. I said one of them. As Shirtless said, the bottom of the league is overall the biggest knock. Money, or lack there of, is another. Top it off, at least 2 schools openly talking about wanting to leave.
Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc
They were in the same league back in the late 60s to early 70s. Have the Beavers played Lakehead in exhibition games very often since way back then?
They were in the same league back in the late 60s to early 70s. Have the Beavers played Lakehead in exhibition games very often since way back then?