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WCHA 2014-15: Semi-colons make things seem important

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gfmorris said:
In parsing that statement, I think that "These infractions were due to the university’s failure to establish and maintain adequate systems to ensure that NCAA eligibility was being performed correctly," is the key sentence. I'm going to guess that they got kids into UAF that shouldn't have been in school anywhere.

GFM
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aparch said:
Getting them there isn't up to UA_'s Athletic Department. That's covered by the NCAA Clearing House and a pretty obvious Yes/No answer: http://web1.ncaa.org/ECWR2/NCAA_EMS/NCAA.jsp

This sounds more like they cleared the clearing house, but grades or other issues should have caused them to be ineligible during their attending of UA_.
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Just read this document (1 page) and tell me how horrible Alaska really was? It's not nearly as bad as they make it out to be, especially when self-reported and sufficient punishments were self-imposed. That should have been sufficient for oversights relating to Transfer credit requirements, eligibility of pre-majors, declaration of major, and progress toward degree.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtLCL7e3kyeWxKZTJyd3M3Rkk/view
 
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aparch said:
Getting them there isn't up to UA_'s Athletic Department. That's covered by the NCAA Clearing House and a pretty obvious Yes/No answer: http://web1.ncaa.org/ECWR2/NCAA_EMS/NCAA.jsp

This sounds more like they cleared the clearing house, but grades or other issues should have caused them to be ineligible during their attending of UA_.
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That's probably more likely than my original thought.

GFM
 
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aparch said:
This sounds more like they cleared the clearing house, but grades or other issues should have caused them to be ineligible during their attending of UA_.
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Players either dropped classes after the semester started and were unaware it took them under the minimum number of credits for eligibility, or players switched majors without filling out the proper paperwork.

Both violations are fairly common at small athletic departments that can't afford to put a full-time staffer in the university's registrar office.
 
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"Finding No. 1:
Six hockey student-athletes were academically ineligible due to a variety of issues, including not having a declared major and not completing sufficient credits toward their degree programs.
[more]

Finding No. 2:
Four hockey student-athletes were ineligible due to being enrolled as a pre-major, rather than as a regularly enrolled degree-seeking student.
[more]

As a result of findings No. 1 and No. 2, all hockey contests from 2007 through 2011 included competition by ineligible student-athletes and more than 60 percent of the contests in 2011-2012 included competition by ineligible student-athletes."
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Just read this document (1 page) and tell me how horrible Alaska really was? It's not nearly as bad as they make it out to be, especially when self-reported and sufficient punishments were self-imposed. That should have been sufficient for oversights relating to Transfer credit requirements, eligibility of pre-majors, declaration of major, and progress toward degree.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtLCL7e3kyeWxKZTJyd3M3Rkk/view
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My only guess is that it was a widespread problem. The severity seems out of line.

GFM
 
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Alaska (Fairbanks) gets postseason ban by NCAA. Includes WCHA playoffs per @fdnmsportsguy.
 
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whoa. is that harsh or what? another reason to get rid of the NC$$.
 
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UA_ is unfortunately on the *ss end of NCAA judgement considering all the school who have committed violations the past few years. If there weren't so many schools recently that had self-reported and were penalized, I could see UA_ having a lesser penalty.

Unfortunately, since they're "late to the party," they get the wrath of the NCAA offices.


I do feel sorry for the kids this year who were not a part of this mess and now have to deal with this. I understand the scholarship penalty, since that hurts the University for doing this, but the lack of post season play doesn't do anything other than save the UA_ AD office from booking last minute flights into/out of Fairbanks in March.
 
aparch said:
UA_ is unfortunately on the *ss end of NCAA judgement considering all the school who have committed violations the past few years. If there weren't so many schools recently that had self-reported and were penalized, I could see UA_ having a lesser penalty.

Unfortunately, since they're "late to the party," they get the wrath of the NCAA offices.


I do feel sorry for the kids this year who were not a part of this mess and now have to deal with this. I understand the scholarship penalty, since that hurts the University for doing this, but the lack of post season play doesn't do anything other than save the UA_ AD office from booking last minute flights into/out of Fairbanks in March.
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So what's NMU doing now that their AD was the one who had this happen on his watch?

I'm thinking we don't have the whole story here. The NCAA isn't tossing out postseason bans for nothing.
 
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Here are a couple of the more heinous infractions…

Eligibility of pre-majors
This category accounts for about half of the infractions. In 2008, UAF increased
its admission requirements for baccalaureate degrees. Those students who
didn’t meet those initial requirements could be admitted as “pre-majors.”
Once they demonstrated academic success in baccalaureate-level classes, they
could be admitted to a degree program. Multiple student-athletes were
admitted as pre-majors and took regular baccalaureate level classes
successfully. However, because UAF established higher standards for
baccalaureate admission than the NCAA required, student-athletes were not
eligible until after they were removed from pre-major status and admitted to a
degree program.

Declaration of majorNCAA requires that student-athletes demonstrate progress toward their
declared degree. In multiple cases, student-athletes were taking
baccalaureate-level classes, but had not filed the paperwork to declare a
major or change their major. While they took classes that counted toward a
degree, because a specific degree had not been declared, they were ineligible
to compete.

Edit: Not that it matters, but even with the Nanook travel schedule, the boys had a 3.53 spring 2013 gpa.
 
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If you thought 9th and 10th place felt lonely and left out last season, how is 10th going to feel this year as the ONLY team not in the playoffs. How about an 8v9 one game series on Wed before the first round of WCHA playoffs. Hey it works for bouncyball - like they really need a 65th, or 66th, or 67th, or 68th team to make sure they get the right champion and no one has hurt feelings.
Ryan J
 
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I'm going to repost this here, I also posted it in the Arizona State thread.

From Let's Play Hockey (a pretty reputable source)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sources have told LPH that Arizona State is in talks with Don Levin to be the lead donor to fund ASU hockey’s rise to NCAA Division I status</p>— Let's Play Hockey (@LetsPlay_Hockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/LetsPlay_Hockey/status/530849299676930050">November 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Don Levin is an owner of the AHL’s Chicago Wolves and founder of DRL Enterprises. His son, Robert, is a sophomore goalie at Arizona State.</p>— Let's Play Hockey (@LetsPlay_Hockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/LetsPlay_Hockey/status/530849330572165120">November 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>According to sources, Arizona State would play two more seasons of ACHA hockey and begin Division I play in 2016-17 as an independent.</p>— Let's Play Hockey (@LetsPlay_Hockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/LetsPlay_Hockey/status/530849367389765632">November 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The plan calls for Arizona State to play at the on-campus Wells Fargo Arena, home of the Sun Devils’ basketball teams.</p>— Let's Play Hockey (@LetsPlay_Hockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/LetsPlay_Hockey/status/530849394531119104">November 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Arizona State, under head coach Greg Powers, won the 2014 ACHA Division 1 National Championship.</p>— Let's Play Hockey (@LetsPlay_Hockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/LetsPlay_Hockey/status/530849423073349632">November 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Also in serious talks to add an NCAA Division I hockey program is the University of Buffalo.</p>— Let's Play Hockey (@LetsPlay_Hockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/LetsPlay_Hockey/status/530849539834404865">November 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Re: WCHA 2014-15: Semi-colons make things seem important

Hey, we have BG. We have the ability to go to 11.

GFM
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I'm going to repost this here, I also posted it in the Arizona State thread.

From Let's Play Hockey (a pretty reputable source)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Also in serious talks to add an NCAA Division I hockey program is the University of Buffalo.</p>— Let's Play Hockey (@LetsPlay_Hockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/LetsPlay_Hockey/status/530849539834404865">November 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/n...ffiliations-remain-subject-to-change-20141005
on October 5, 2014 - 12:01 AM

"Western New Yorkers can put the idea of the University at Buffalo adding Division I hockey on the back burner. Athletic director Danny White has said there are no plans to consider adding the sport.

“I get the question all the time,” White said. “Does it make sense? Yeah. It’s the No. 1 hockey market in the country. Sure it makes a lot of sense. But we’re not going to realize our potential until we figure out this football thing, figure out how to consistently be competitive in football and be good at all the sports we have. When we do that, we’ll generate more revenue and maybe we’ll be in a different position. But right now, I don’t see how it’s something we could look at realistically.“

but here's hoping they eventually figure out a way to do it.
 
Re: WCHA 2014-15: Semi-colons make things seem important

Arizona State is far more likely to end up in the Nacho, replacing Western and/or Miami.

This has been rumored for so long though, that I will believe it when it's officially announced.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Arizona State is far more likely to end up in the Nacho, replacing Western and/or Miami.

This has been rumored for so long though, that I will believe it when it's officially announced.
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Well, I'm thinking about going to see my team play at Pedo State in January, so anything is possible I guess....
 
Shirtless Guy said:
If Alaska finishes top-8, the #9 team will make the tournament.
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Regarding our banishment from the WCHA playoffs, it unfortunately makes sense considering the circumstances. The last thing the WCHA wants is for UAF to win the conference and screw the conference out of an auto bid to the NCAA tourney.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Arizona State is far more likely to end up in the Nacho, replacing Western and/or Miami.

This has been rumored for so long though, that I will believe it when it's officially announced.
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I agree. I just saw those tweets pop up, and thought it was worth mentioning. I'm not holding my breath, and I agree, ASU would be Nacho-bound, lots of frat-boy fist-pumpers at that school. It'd be a good fit.
 
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