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Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year

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Tough to follow the game without TV, but it doesnt sound like it was Hoffman's fault. Agreed, too many penalties coupled with no offense. A typical Vermont game the last couple of years. I think the talent is there, so I have to point the finger at the coaching (yet again).
 
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UVM - Bruin said:
Tough to follow the game without TV, but it doesnt sound like it was Hoffman's fault. Agreed, too many penalties coupled with no offense. A typical Vermont game the last couple of years. I think the talent is there, so I have to point the finger at the coaching (yet again).
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This was a hard fought game. Neither team enjoyed any time and space. In the first period, Vermont prevented Maine from getting the puck beyond the neutral zone. Both goal tenders were very good, although I was surprised to see Hoffmann. The winning goal was not Hoffmann's fault and the story of the game was the 5 minute major by Brickley. Looking forward to tomorrow night's game.
 
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Wow I can't believe how easily the players who get penalties get blamed for a loss when the ones who give away the puck over and over again never have to take blame. Soft D who get pushed off the puck in our own end constantly are your heroes but the ones who block shots and don't get scored on but happen to get a penalty because they play tough are the problem? These kids are playing their guts out and are doing what they are asked to do. Just because you love the soft players who couldn't win a battle with a wet Kleenex doesn't mean that they are the problem, in case you haven't noticed hockey is a tough game. Duh!
 
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I'm not one bit surprised by the outcome. In fact that was my anticipated final score. The ND weekend was an aberration until the last 7 minutes of the 2nd game. We need a new arena before anything is going to change. Your placement in the standings is going to mimic your facility to a significant degree because of the impact on recruit perception. Yeah, the Gut is better than the BU arena when it's rocking but the recruits dont see the place when its full and the facilities under the stands are subpar
 
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UVM - Bruin said:
Hoffman in net tonight, seems like an odd choice (or right on par for Sneddon?). Although he's playing well through 2 periods. Go cats!
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This.

Nice job to the Coaching staff who took a team that was playing well together with confidence in front of an outstanding goaltender and ****ing that up. Hoffman played great but thats really irrelevant. Clearly through the past years the coaches have learned that the mental aspect isn't important at all. This is what the decision to start Hoffman says "hey its only ME lets get Hoff some ice time... " and the players responded with that mentality. Sneddon's quote said it all.... they were outworked.

Penalties are only an indication of being out played and out worked. They aren't why UVM lost, UVM lost because they weren't prepared to fight for the win like they were at ND or UND. The coaching staff showed them it wasn't as serious of a game as those others...

Has to be one of the dumbest things the coaches could have done...
 
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While I agree soft defensive play is a weakness of this team, you can't honestly say that penalties are a good byproduct of tough play. I'm all for tough play, but it needs to tough discipline play. Stupid penalties are a direct result of lack of discipline; a tone that needs to be set by the coaching staff.

Asking the goaltending to bail a team out after a defensive turnover is one thing (which Hoffman did last night), asking him to do it killing a penalty is another.

Last point; when your team is down a goal, you can live with a defenseman turning the puck over because he's trying to be aggressive and create something. What you can't live with is Brickley playing without discipline and getting a 5 minute major.

Hopefully tonight will be better on all fronts.
 
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UVM - Bruin said:
Last point; when your team is down a goal, you can live with a defenseman turning the puck over because he's trying to be aggressive and create something. What you can't live with is Brickley playing without discipline and getting a 5 minute major.
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I agree, I gotta put this one on Brickley. Did not see the game, but you CANNOT take a penalty like that late in the game when you're already down a man. It just can't happen under any circumstances. Even Sneddon called it a "really, really dumb penalty." In general, Brickley's got to be the most over-hyped player in the history of UVM hockey--NHL draft pick and member of the U.S. Junior team. When he hasn't been injured, he's never done anything offensively. This year, his senior year, when he graced us with his presence rather than going pro, he's got 2 assists for a total of 2 points in 6 games, and he's continually taking dumb penalties. He's really almost a liability at times.

Sneddon says "We'll certainly be going to other guys in the lineup tonight." Will be interested to see who that is and who will sit.
 
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UVM Cat in Texas said:
I agree, I gotta put this one on Brickley. Did not see the game, but you CANNOT take a penalty like that late in the game when you're already down a man. It just can't happen under any circumstances. Even Sneddon called it a "really, really dumb penalty." In general, Brickley's got to be the most over-hyped player in the history of UVM hockey--NHL draft pick and member of the U.S. Junior team. When he hasn't been injured, he's never done anything offensively. This year, his senior year, when he graced us with his presence rather than going pro, he's got 2 assists for a total of 2 points in 6 games, and he's continually taking dumb penalties. He's really almost a liability at times.

Sneddon says "We'll certainly be going to other guys in the lineup tonight." Will be interested to see who that is and who will sit.
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You cant get away with those penatlies unless you score alot to make up for it and sorry to say we dont have anyone
like that on this team. First line had many chances but most of them were one shot and that was it very little rebound
action from anyone last night.

Hoffman played well but did look rusty at times, Maine missed many a good look to score until the PP

Feed was terrible and they had the worst hockey cameraman ever, kept losing where the puck was or worse the feed would freeze
which is understandable for a free feed but not a pay per view.
 
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coots01 said:
Wow I can't believe how easily the players who get penalties get blamed for a loss when the ones who give away the puck over and over again never have to take blame. Soft D who get pushed off the puck in our own end constantly are your heroes but the ones who block shots and don't get scored on but happen to get a penalty because they play tough are the problem? These kids are playing their guts out and are doing what they are asked to do. Just because you love the soft players who couldn't win a battle with a wet Kleenex doesn't mean that they are the problem, in case you haven't noticed hockey is a tough game. Duh!
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Did you see those 3 penalties? If you were referring to Hamilton (as the one being pushed off the puck) he plays good positional D. He moves the puck well out of the zone and yeah he isn't the biggest guy out there but watching last night he rarely loses the battle for the puck. He might get moved out but after he has moved the puck around.

And "don't get scored on" because they took a penalty and were in the box really is the same as being scored on....
 
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snwbrdr said:
I'm not one bit surprised by the outcome. In fact that was my anticipated final score. The ND weekend was an aberration until the last 7 minutes of the 2nd game. We need a new arena before anything is going to change. Your placement in the standings is going to mimic your facility to a significant degree because of the impact on recruit perception. Yeah, the Gut is better than the BU arena when it's rocking but the recruits dont see the place when its full and the facilities under the stands are subpar
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wow seriously you must be Sneddon himself because that is the stupidest thing I've read on here in a while when it comes to the arena. If you really think the coaching staff is blameless for performances because they have a bad facility that is a joke last I checked Yale plays in a facility that looks like Gutterson and they won the national title last year. Schneider Arena okay not great Providence turned it around and is a better program than UVM and last I checked UVM put together a winning team in 2009 and say whatever you want about those players and what they might have thought about Gutterson they won so I don't want to hear it isn't possible to win with Gutterson that is an excuse. This teams issues have nothing to do with the ice they play on. Goes way beyond that. Anyone who watches hockey games and maybe actually ventures to a hockey arena that isn't Gutterson can figure that out.

Brickley's penalty shouldn't happen I dont mind that he plays tough and likes to finish checks and all that but it would be really nice if he had the mentality of a top offensive player and not playing like a 4th liner has to remember he isnt in the NHL yet if he even gets there at all he's a disappointment along with the injuries he should look at some tape of Mitchell on how to be a tough two way player.

Would like to see a win or a tie tonight thinking 2-2 tie tonight.
 
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Yes I did see the penalties. And yes Brickleys was a bad one to take, but when only a few players are playing physical they single themselves out to the refs therefore they get noticed more. I am not defednding lazy penalties or dumb ones but there are lots of circumstancial calls on a few players. Also I was not singling out any one D but was merely making a point that small soft D cannot win the battlesdown low and your comment that one D rarely loses the puck battle seems to me that you wear rose colored glasses or you know one player better than the rest of us. Sure is a crappy feed tonite!!!!
 
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Brickley hurt us in previous years by his penalties that were simply unnecessary. I cannot figure out if he is trying to impress someone, but he has cost us games before. In fact, he is the one that tried to slap the puck out of the zone against ND when he should have simply passed it out. The puck was stolen from him and that resulted in the first goal for ND. He just hurts us when we don't need it. There is NEVER a good major penalty. Majors are always unnecessary and just undisciplined penalties.

Thus far tonight we are leading, but again we are taking too many penalties. No time to score in the first period as we were killing several penalties.

I have a lot of hope for this team this year. The ND games were not flukes - this team has talent - just stay out of the box ad shoot the **** puck.
 
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http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/hoc...econd-period-goals-holds-off-late-maine-rally

UVM 4, Maine 3 - Game Recap. A recurring theme you will notice in the article is Sneddon's displeasure with his upperclassmen in general. He benched a few after last night and didn't like how a few performed Saturday either.
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By seniors I am sure he is referring to his captain Lenz, who if he has a set, will sit. All the Brickley talk about dumb penalties, when has Lenz not take a dumb or lazy penalty. You want to make a statement sit your captain who deserves to wear a suit. Then Bruneteau, bad turnover leads to their 2nd goal and a lazy penalty gives them a power play. He should sit as well. If your message is dumb lazy penalties you sit, then apply it here. Our other seniors where already sitting so, this is my assumption on Sneddons venom to seniors. Can't be McCarthy, kid plays all the time! wins battles and rarely is penalized! plus he got what amounted to a big goal.

In retrospect, anyone who at the start of the season would have guessed we would be .500 raise your hand. Current company included, I see no hands. Time to soldier on.
 
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HOCKEYGUY23 said:
In retrospect, anyone who at the start of the season would have guessed we would be .500 raise your hand. Current company included, I see no hands. Time to soldier on.
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That was exactly my prediction... at least in league play. Although to be fair I was counting on getting swept by Notre Dame and sweeping ME. As far as I'm concerned the Notre Dame win was a bonus, this team can't give points away to Maine. That said it's not the end of the world either. We are sitting tied for third and most teams have played the same number of games in the season so we aren't in terrible shape. I think everyone saw really good things with the Cats play at UND and ND and this past weekend was a let down...
 
jcarter7669 said:
That was exactly my prediction... at least in league play. Although to be fair I was counting on getting swept by Notre Dame and sweeping ME. As far as I'm concerned the Notre Dame win was a bonus, this team can't give points away to Maine. That said it's not the end of the world either. We are sitting tied for third and most teams have played the same number of games in the season so we aren't in terrible shape. I think everyone saw really good things with the Cats play at UND and ND and this past weekend was a let down...
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Your the man if you had that. Agreed on other fronts. As a silver lining, we were absolute garbage Friday and yet we were a few minutes from 1 point. Have to wonder if the big weekends, going to UND, then the big arena with PSU then the big ND series was a factor. Let downs happen. Hey the Jags won this weekend, Colts got blasted so letdowns are a part of sports.

Any thoughts on who Sneddon sits?
 
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HOCKEYGUY23 said:
Any thoughts on who Sneddon sits?
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I'm guessing no one out of the ordinary. And to some degree I'm not sure he should sit any of the regulars. They have made some mistakes and taken unacceptable penalties. Brickley, Lenz, Walls, are all good for a stupid penalty. Bruneteau has been making some not so great plays... That said, its something that SHOULD be addressed over the course of the week and I expect they all remain in the line up. Changing up the line up is disruptive to these guys, should be avoided as much as possible IMO. If they are made aware that their play is unacceptable then give them a chance the following week. If it's still a problem, then sit them.

These guys are old enough so sitting them is a bit unnecessary... unless it is necessary in which case they should be sitting out pretty much the season... If they do not have the character to recognize how they hurt the team or do not care then they don't need to be on the ice. Brickley likes to hammer people, he has to tone it down. He needs to score, not maul someone. Lenz is the team leader, he has an example to set if he can't keep himself from taking stupid penalties I'd snatch that "C" and give it to someone else. I still think Sneddon is using Bruneteau and Hamilton TOO MUCH. The penalties and bad plays they seem to have, at least to me, seem to all be at the end of the game and I think it is in part an issue of being tired and worn out. The issue being, none of the other defensive pairings are capable of contributing much offensively. The staff should consider splitting them up... put Pattyn with Bruneteau and Lukko with Hamilton or some other combination.
 
pokecheckguy said:
wow seriously you must be Sneddon himself because that is the stupidest thing I've read on here in a while when it comes to the arena. If you really think the coaching staff is blameless for performances because they have a bad facility that is a joke last I checked Yale plays in a facility that looks like Gutterson and they won the national title last year. Schneider Arena okay not great Providence turned it around and is a better program than UVM and last I checked UVM put together a winning team in 2009 and say whatever you want about those players and what they might have thought about Gutterson they won so I don't want to hear it isn't possible to win with Gutterson that is an excuse. This teams issues have nothing to do with the ice they play on. Goes way beyond that. Anyone who watches hockey games and maybe actually ventures to a hockey arena that isn't Gutterson can figure that out.

Brickley's penalty shouldn't happen I dont mind that he plays tough and likes to finish checks and all that but it would be really nice if he had the mentality of a top offensive player and not playing like a 4th liner has to remember he isnt in the NHL yet if he even gets there at all he's a disappointment along with the injuries he should look at some tape of Mitchell on how to be a tough two way player.

Would like to see a win or a tie tonight thinking 2-2 tie tonight.
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This is what I have been trying to say for four years. Sneddon lets certain kids get away with murder and holds others on a leash les than a mm long. Hockey players don't develop in that kind of environment. Brickley is a ver average player now but not because of his own doing. He was an awesome prospect coming in but Sneddons system and lack of consistent discipline has sent him backwards. Same thing with luukko he is so talented but Sneddon wants him to be a goon. Uvm hockey right now is the most boring product I have seen. If you were a recruit, why would you want that? Decenzo doesn't even play and he was a tremendous playmaker prior to getting here. Anyone with any skill gets snuffed in this system or leaves. This spring you will hear about the greener grass coming in as freshman and Sneddon will begin his annual trek of throwing current players under the bus. It's a different numerator but same denominator every year. Get used to it because it's not gonna change. He doesn't know any other way.
 
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