UW @ tUMD: Badgers final trip to Duluth

[Almington]

Re: UW @ tUMD: Badgers final trip to Duluth

I didn't hear numbers that you're posting, but I did ask Eaves about it after the game. He was adamant that he wants to set something up with UMD down the road. Ciskie said it's just coach speak, but the tone of his voice seemed truthful. He mentioned it wouldn't be in the immediate future, so I'm guessing there will be a break of at least a few years.

I had a great time, and Amsoil is excellent so I wouldn't mind that one bit.

I'm not sure what existing away games UW has contracted, but once those contracts expire, I hope that they find a way to make a trip up to UMD once every 4 years and have UMD visit Madison at least once every 4 years. At least in the short term, UW is making at trip to CO, UND and out east every other year (leaving one away series open every 2 years). I hope that the athletic department can keep their B1G egos in check long enough to find a way to regularly play UMD/SCSU/MSUM/MTU/NMU/BSU both in Madison and making return visits to those other schools with them as an equal.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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I'm not sure what existing away games UW has contracted, but once those contracts expire, I hope that they find a way to make a trip up to UMD once every 4 years and have UMD visit Madison at least once every 4 years. At least in the short term, UW is making at trip to CO, UND and out east every other year (leaving one away series open every 2 years). I hope that the athletic department can keep their B1G egos in check long enough to find a way to regularly play UMD/SCSU/MSUM/MTU/NMU/BSU both in Madison and making return visits to those other schools with them as an equal.

I'd be surprised if UW ever played in Mankato, Houghton, or Bemidji ever again. Probably not St. Cloud either. Maybe something with Northern if it's going to be in GB.

 

[Almington]

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I'd be surprised if UW ever played in Mankato, Houghton, or Bemidji ever again. Probably not St. Cloud either. Maybe something with Northern if it's going to be in GB.

To me, that's very unfortunate. Considering that Uw will be playing at UND or out in CO every year and should hopefully be making a trip to play once of the top teams in HE every other year, that still leaves 2 away games every other year that could be used to play those teams. Of course, both sides need to be reasonable with their demands from the other party.

I think that UW will continue to try and player games against NMU and MTU in Green Bay on a regular basis as I think that was a success from both teams perspectives.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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I hope that the athletic department can keep their B1G egos in check long enough to find a way to regularly play UMD/SCSU/MSUM/MTU/NMU/BSU both in Madison and making return visits to those other schools with them as an equal.

As someone who has to pay for home games, I certainly hope we don't ever schedule a few of those again.

BSU? We have zero history with them. Why in the world should we travel to Bimidji? Mankato? With that style of play?

I'll give you Tech, SCSU (iffy on this though) and NMU. At least Tech and NMU make sense geographically with the Resch Center as an option. SCSU? Why would we go there?

Notre Dame and Miami along with Duluth would be my top choices. Obviously, it would be up to everyone getting along though.

Glad we'll be keeping Denver, CC and UND.


I just don't understand the thinking that we owe the old conference mates a better deal than we would give to a similar school from out east. It's a noble thought, but ain't gonna happen in this day and age. No how, no way.

 

[burd]

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As someone who has to pay for home games, I certainly hope we don't ever schedule a few of those again.

BSU? We have zero history with them. Why in the world should we travel to Bimidji? Mankato? With that style of play?

I'll give you Tech, SCSU (iffy on this though) and NMU. At least Tech and NMU make sense geographically with the Resch Center as an option. SCSU? Why would we go there?

Notre Dame and Miami along with Duluth would be my top choices. Obviously, it would be up to everyone getting along though.

Glad we'll be keeping Denver, CC and UND.


I just don't understand the thinking that we owe the old conference mates a better deal than we would give to a similar school from out east. It's a noble thought, but ain't gonna happen in this day and age. No how, no way.

I used to think it was very important that North Dakota keep UW on the schedule, but now I'm not so sure. You guys are already getting kind of uppity. Bad enough you got a rink made of glass.

 

[First Time Long Time]

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Motzko has said several times he won't play teams who won't do one for ones.
So we likely won't play UW again after this season.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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I used to think it was very important that North Dakota keep UW on the schedule, but now I'm not so sure. You guys are already getting kind of uppity. Bad enough you got a rink made of glass.

I wouldn't be so quick to lump Gurt in with all Wisconsin fans.

 

[Almington]

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As someone who has to pay for home games, I certainly hope we don't ever schedule a few of those again.

BSU? We have zero history with them. Why in the world should we travel to Bimidji? Mankato? With that style of play?

I'll give you Tech, SCSU (iffy on this though) and NMU. At least Tech and NMU make sense geographically with the Resch Center as an option. SCSU? Why would we go there?

Notre Dame and Miami along with Duluth would be my top choices. Obviously, it would be up to everyone getting along though.

Glad we'll be keeping Denver, CC and UND.


I just don't understand the thinking that we owe the old conference mates a better deal than we would give to a similar school from out east. It's a noble thought, but ain't gonna happen in this day and age. No how, no way.

As things stand, UW has 20 Big Ten conference games, 6 "Marque" NC games with UND, BC/BU, and DU/CC scheduled, that leaves 4 NC series left (at least 3 of which will be home series).

You'd rather pay to see an endless parade of ECAC and Atlantic hockey teams who are willing to play at UW only for the return of a nice fat paycheck? You'd rather pay to see a home schedule that contained Quinnepiac, Sacred Heart, Clarkson, and Niagara than one that contained BSU, MSUM, SCSU, and UNO? A NC schedule of only marque games just isn't going to happen if the AD expects to continue to have 20 total home games per season.

That's the choice that you'd have to make, personally choosing the ECAC and AH teams seems just crazy (of course choosing a one-for-one with SCSU over a Miami, Notre Dame, or Cornell is just as crazy).

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

As things stand, UW has 20 Big Ten conference games, 6 "Marque" NC games with UND, BC/BU, and DU/CC scheduled, that leaves 4 NC series left (at least 3 of which will be home series).

You'd rather pay to see an endless parade of ECAC and Atlantic hockey teams who are willing to play at UW only for the return of a nice fat paycheck? You'd rather pay to see a home schedule that contained Quinnepiac, Sacred Heart, Clarkson, and Niagara than one that contained BSU, MSUM, SCSU, and UNO? A NC schedule of only marque games just isn't going to happen if the AD expects to continue to have 20 total home games per season.

That's the choice that you'd have to make, personally choosing the ECAC and AH teams seems just crazy (of course choosing a one-for-one with SCSU over a Miami, Notre Dame, or Cornell is just as crazy).

SCSU has as many titles as Notre Dame and Miami. Sure, Notre Dame and Miami have faired better lately, but IMO those programs aren't much more elite than a SCSU. Just my $0.02.

 

[Almington]

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SCSU has as many titles as Notre Dame and Miami. Sure, Notre Dame and Miami have faired better lately, but IMO those programs aren't much more elite than a SCSU. Just my $0.02.

Miami and Notre Dame have made multiple Final Fours and Champ Games, SCSU has won ONE NCAA game.

From FS23's Historical Rankings:
2012-2013 Preseason Standings:
22. Miami - 43.0583 points
24. Notre Dame - 37.2961 points
33. SCSU - 13.8159 points
34. Bemidji State - 12.3413 points

I'd say that SCSU is significantly behind both Notre Dame and Miami as a program. The fact that Miami and ND were both initially invited to the NCHC and SCSU give an indication of how the programs are currently perceived in the college hockey community.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

Miami and Notre Dame have made multiple Final Fours and Champ Games, SCSU has won ONE NCAA game.

From FS23's Historical Rankings:
2012-2013 Preseason Standings:
22. Miami - 43.0583 points
24. Notre Dame - 37.2961 points
33. SCSU - 13.8159 points
34. Bemidji State - 12.3413 points

I'd say that SCSU is significantly behind both Notre Dame and Miami as a program. The fact that Miami and ND were both initially invited to the NCHC and SCSU give an indication of how the programs are currently perceived in the college hockey community.

They've also been playing at the D1 level longer than SCSU. The Huskies have faired poorly in their tournament appearances, but they have had some very solid squads that should have gone farther. When you look at the potential of the three teams going forward, I don't think there is much of a disparity. Saint Cloud's biggest hang-up was their arena situation, but with the rennovations, that shouldn't be as big of an issue.

EDIT: And sorry, but I don't really put much stock into the NCHC point you made. Not much about that conference's beginnings seem well thought out IMO. Not saying the conference will be bad. Just that the point isn't a strong one in my eyes.

 

[The Rube]

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SCSU has as many titles as Notre Dame and Miami. Sure, Notre Dame and Miami have faired better lately, but IMO those programs aren't much more elite than a SCSU. Just my $0.02.

lulz wha?

What you have just said.....

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

lulz wha?

What you have just said.....

I just don't think moving forward Notre Dame or Miami are positioned significantly better to to succeed.

 

[The Rube]

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I just don't think moving forward Notre Dame or Miami are positioned significantly better to to succeed.

SCSU is gonna be trampled in the new conference. They were an afterthought, after ND turned the conference down. If I were a recruit, I'd much rather head to ND or Miami.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

SCSU is gonna be trampled in the new conference. They were an afterthought, after ND turned the conference down. If I were a recruit, I'd much rather head to ND or Miami.

I guess we'll see. SCSU is in a much better recruiting market, though ND and Miami get their share of elite talent nationally. I think SCSU's biggest obstacle to remaining competitive post-realignment was getting their arena updated. They've gotten that. I just don't think they are going to struggle as much as others think.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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Here's what UW has in place as far as I have written down from past notes:

13-14
Home: Anchorage, Lake St., Northern, CC, Huntsville
Away: BU/BC (one night each), Miami

14-15
Home: Boston University, North Dakota, Tech
Away: CC/Denver (one night each), Possible Alaska tourney (NCAA exempt)

15-16
Home: Denver
Away: North Dakota, BU/BC

16-17
Home: Boston College, North Dakota
Away: CC/Denver

17-18
Home:
Away: North Dakota

So basically they have four year agreements with BU/BC, Denver/CC, and North Dakota right now.

Their two road non-conference series will have to be "premier" series. After the agreement with Miami expires, they will be looking for a team to fill that void. I think it's clear that Wisconsin is looking for a name opponent to fill that void. I just don't think they are going to go on the road to get a Bemidji or a Mankato to come back to Madison when they can get teams like Lake State without having to travel.

Wisconsin is going to play three mediocre non-conference series at the Kohl Center every season, it's just the nature of the thing. To get those two premier non-conference home series they are going to need to play premier non-conference teams on the road and you can't waste that on the Bemidji's of the world, whether we like it or not.

If I had to choose, I'd like to see UW work something out with one of the following teams for that last "premier spot" on their schedule: Notre Dame, Maine, Miami, Minnesota-Duluth, New Hampshire, & Cornell. St. Cloud would be on the fringe.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

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Just to clarify. I won't judge if UW doesn't end up scheduling SCSU moving forward. Each school has different priorities, circumstances that effect whom they will schedule moving forward. And every fan is entitled to have a preference as to whom they would like to see their team play. I was just pointing out that I don't believe SCSU will be as far behind schools like Notre Dame and Miami competitively as some people think. Time will tell.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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You'd rather pay to see an endless parade of ECAC and Atlantic hockey teams who are willing to play at UW only for the return of a nice fat paycheck? You'd rather pay to see a home schedule that contained Quinnepiac, Sacred Heart, Clarkson, and Niagara than one that contained BSU, MSUM, SCSU, and UNO?

That's the choice that you'd have to make, personally choosing the ECAC and AH teams seems just crazy (of course choosing a one-for-one with SCSU over a Miami, Notre Dame, or Cornell is just as crazy).

First off, the endless parade of ECAC and AHA schools is exactly what we're going to see whether you or I wish it or not. And to be honest, once BSU isn't in our conference, what will be the difference? BSU = Clarkson as far as I'm concerned. Filler on the schedule.

The bolded portion was the point I was making. If we're doing a 1 for 1, it sure as heck shouldn't be with BSU, MSUM, UNO or SCSU. Why would UW do that? Why would a UW fan want UW to do that?

Give me 1 for 1s with Cornell, Maine, BC, BU, you get the picture...


Anyone stoked for the big match-up with Jacksonville today? No? Exactly - filler on the schedule (although league mandated filler).

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Just to clarify. I won't judge if UW doesn't end up scheduling SCSU moving forward. Each school has different priorities, circumstances that effect whom they will schedule moving forward. And every fan is entitled to have a preference as to whom they would like to see their team play. I was just pointing out that I don't believe SCSU will be as far behind schools like Notre Dame and Miami competitively as some people think. Time will tell.

I agree, SCSU is on the fringe of who I'd want to schedule and they have a respected program.

They're good. There's just no juice there for us though (speaking for myself of course). Can't think of a single memorable game against them. There's really no rivalry.

In fact the only SCSU game I really remember is '06 when they beat the Gophers 8-7 (I think) in the Final Five. You guys should play them - and I'd guess you will. 2 for 1 of course and that's only if they ask nicely.

 

[The Rube]

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I agree, SCSU is on the fringe of who I'd want to schedule and they have a respected program.

They're good. There's just no juice there for us though (speaking for myself of course). Can't think of a single memorable game against them. There's really no rivalry.

In fact the only SCSU game I really remember is '06 when they beat the Gophers 8-7 (I think) in the Final Five. You guys should play them - and I'd guess you will. 2 for 1 of course and that's only if they ask nicely.

NEVER MENTION THAT GAME AGAIN. EVER.

*er.