UVM 2018-19: This is so sad Alex play Esposito

[j24vt]

Re: UVM 2018-19: This is so sad Alex play Esposito

UVM is going to be an annoying team to watch until they figure out how to recruit and retain goal scorers. The transition through the neutral zone is light years better than it has been in previous years. The defense has played much better the second half of the year (more physical; fewer hooking penalties). There has also been a lot fewer stupid penalties this year.

Will be keeping our tickets because watching UVM is only half the show. We get to see a lot of future NHLers play at Gutterson. Really looking forward to not sitting on 2x10s.

 

[PuckVoice]

small business owner sir! And yes...to people who DESERVE it or other who come here to trash the passion of those who want a change! He knows who he is Mr Commo! Sad! People often say i stick to my guns to much but I am a passionate man of conviction. Sneddon paid the big bucks he can deal with me and many others wanting him to be relieve of leadership duties! A Harvard man will be fine in his life after his hopeful dismissal! I believe you honest and true are a great fan of the program from what I read i respectful disagree with your points on what shape the hockey team is in and what is to be done!
All the best sir!!

Ok MR pokecheck ... as usual you want to set the agenda ...
Guess coming on a UVM site and NOT screaming for the Coach's head makes you a target these days. No room here for pointing out an honor for a Vermont legend ... nope this is the page made for trashing, not for talking. You win. I'm outta here. That is until some REAL Vermont fans invite me back.
In the meantime I will be at Norwich as the Cadets go for another NEHC Championship. No Cats game tonight ... I'd love to see some of you REAL fans in Northfield!

 

[UVM Cat in Texas]

Ok MR pokecheck ... as usual you want to set the agenda ...
Guess coming on a UVM site and NOT screaming for the Coach's head makes you a target these days. No room here for pointing out an honor for a Vermont legend ... nope this is the page made for trashing, not for talking. You win. I'm outta here. That is until some REAL Vermont fans invite me back.
In the meantime I will be at Norwich as the Cadets go for another NEHC Championship. No Cats game tonight ... I'd love to see some of you REAL fans in Northfield!

Hey George, I’m inviting you back. I love UVM hockey and college hockey in general. As a kid, my parents had season tix to Dartmouth, so I grew up watching the game. It pains me to see how the program is on a downward trajectory, producing mediocre team after mediocre team (or worse). I happen to believe Sneddon needs to go. He seems like a good enough guy and I have no issue with him personally, but I feel we need someone hungrier who’s gonna breathe new life into the program the way Carvel has at UMass, or Bazin at Lowell, or Leaman at PC. I’ve said this before, but I’d love to hear from the folks who think otherwise — guys like you and Martin St Louis Fan and any others who may be out there. Seriously, if Sneddon’s not the problem, what do you think the issues are with the program? Would love to hear.

 

[pokecheckguy2]

Re: UVM 2018-19: This is so sad Alex play Esposito

Ok MR pokecheck ... as usual you want to set the agenda ...
Guess coming on a UVM site and NOT screaming for the Coach's head makes you a target these days. No room here for pointing out an honor for a Vermont legend ... nope this is the page made for trashing, not for talking. You win. I'm outta here. That is until some REAL Vermont fans invite me back.
In the meantime I will be at Norwich as the Cadets go for another NEHC Championship. No Cats game tonight ... I'd love to see some of you REAL fans in Northfield!

You sir have proven my point it appear! Yes an honor for Jim Cross yes earlier an honor for St Louis that is not lost on any fan! Many of us which there were positives ON THE ICE this year. And last year and year before that and year before that DO you believe there were many of those?
My agenda is clear but sir, I have asked you repeated times to explain why I am not a "REAL" fan of UVM hockey? You sir only come here to bash me and the many other fans who wish to see a leadership change. You Mr Commo believe in loyalty that is blind which to me is not what I would call high standard of jouranlist integrities and your insulting tone is now met with it out of disappotinment for your words here toward those of us who have a different belief!! You cannot deny your tone is insulting and has been for many years here toward the growing faction who want a coaching change. you use your old position as if you know bettter....how many UVM games YOU been to in last 5 years? You are a busy man with Norwich - which guess what I go to at least 3 games a year at Krieztberg - - Mike McShane is a true good man and it appears Cam Ellsworth is another not to mention GREAT womens hockey as well. Hockey done right! My first passion was always to UVM hockey and sir it has not resemble anything you remember from calling games on 620 radio. I would ask you to consider that many of us have and still are REAL fans who could not stomach bad results that direct support a bad coaching regiment and the bloated cost which was costing us a lot of money. where sir do you believe line is drawn? When I made the choice to not renew tickets sir I cried I will admit that. So many good memories with friends and my lovely family at the gut and good hockey too so many games that are fond in my heart. Now it has all been torn away and nothing is the same empty crowds less friends started showing and hockey that inconsistent to mostly embarrass for UVM. This was NOT a easy decision for me and lot of others but I am not REAL to you I am suppose to keep spending money on this becauyse you say so for blind loyalty? Am I wrong in this is your thesis?

Mr Commo as long as you continue to have your ageneda of calling many of us here not "REAL" fans without telling us why you believe that outside you are friends with the head coach we wish to see removed from a position because enough is enough you sir will sadly not gain respect from me. I hope in the future we can meet half way again but know that while I certainly know my actions to what I am doing here your attitude as a esteem member of the media and of great hockey influence calling fans who spend their hard earned money to watch stupid or not true fans is insulting and I always thought better of you! IT is a true disappointiment sir!

 

[j24vt]

Re: UVM 2018-19: This is so sad Alex play Esposito

The ignore list is a wonderful thing

 

[PuckVoice]

Re: UVM 2018-19: This is so sad Alex play Esposito

PC ... let me first say that I do understand your frustration ... and if you say you are a REAL fan who am I to say differently.

But what bothers me is the climate of this site. Shouldn't this site be a place where people on either side can express their positions without personal attacks. If you want to state your position, fine. Go for it. But don't get all bent out of shape when someone has the audacity to disagree with you.

I have never publicly stated, here or anywhere else, my position on the current UVM coaching staff. If I did I wouldn't be able to do my job as a media guy.

I like Kevin Sneddon ... he is a nice guy ... good to work with ... easily accessible. But we are not close personal friends. We do not socialize outside of the job.

As to Jeff Schulman I have known him for over 30 years ... going back to the 80's when I called his games and he interned for me at Channel 5. I have watched him work his way up through the Athletic Department to a well deserved reward as AD. I am proud of what he has accomplished. But I also fully understand that in his current job he is always going to be subject to criticism.

But lets avoid the name calling ... there should never be a place here for mud slinging ... think of this as a public forum ... a Vermont Town Meeting if you will ... not an inquisition.

 

[UVM Cat in Texas]

The ignore list is a wonderful thing

Seriously, is it me or does the guy just come across as completely unhinged?

 

[UVM Cat in Texas]

PC ... let me first say that I do understand your frustration ... and if you say you are a REAL fan who am I to say differently.

But what bothers me is the climate of this site. Shouldn't this site be a place where people on either side can express their positions without personal attacks. If you want to state your position, fine. Go for it. But don't get all bent out of shape when someone has the audacity to disagree with you.

I have never publicly stated, here or anywhere else, my position on the current UVM coaching staff. If I did I wouldn't be able to do my job as a media guy.

I like Kevin Sneddon ... he is a nice guy ... good to work with ... easily accessible. But we are not close personal friends. We do not socialize outside of the job.

As to Jeff Schulman I have known him for over 30 years ... going back to the 80's when I called his games and he interned for me at Channel 5. I have watched him work his way up through the Athletic Department to a well deserved reward as AD.

Nice post and I agree with your assessment of the climate on this site. And I get why it's hard for you to comment. Ted Ryan takes criticism on this site, but he's in the same boat. Hard to cover a team when the coach isn't speaking to you because you've alienated him. Not speculating what your opinion would be if you could speak freely, just saying I get it.

 

[Charlie Catamount]

Re: UVM 2018-19: This is so sad Alex play Esposito

I got through what poke check is saying and if you can I get what he's saying. I think he cares a lot...in his own way. Anyway it prompted me to go update that post I did about a year ago. I found the original post here: https://board.uscho.com/showthread....A-Gutt-Check&p=6583305&highlight=#post6583305

I'll stand by what I said then and it's the numbers don't paint a good picture. You can frame any numbers the way you want but 9 years is a pretty good sample size to see that in a performance-based industry Kevin Sneddon has little reason to continue on as the head coach. It's just time for someone new. Every other program except BC has changed coaches in that sample size from 2011 to the standings as of today.

I put in UConn with a * next to them because they don't really reflect the full sample size since they've only been in HEA for 5 years.


Vermont 2005-2010 (Kevin Sneddon)
Overall Record: 92-82-30 (.524)
Hockey East Record: 59-49-27 (.537)
Average Wins Per Season: 18.4
Average League Standing: 5th
Postseason: 2 HEA QF, 1 HEA Final, 1 NCAA Regional, 1 Frozen Four

Vermont 2011-present (Kevin Sneddon)
Overall Record: 124-170-38 (.430)
Hockey East Record: 64-118-25 (.369)
Average Wins Per Season: 13.7 (-4.7)
Average League Standing: 8th (-3.0)
Postseason: 4 HEA QF, 1 HEA Semi, 1 HEA Opening Round, 1 NCAA Regional



UMass Lowell 2005-2010 (Blaise MacDonald)
Overall Record: 77-90-19 (.465)
Hockey East Record: 54-65-16 (.459)
Average Wins Per Season: 15.4
Average League Position: 6th
Postseason: 3 HEA QF, 1 HEA Final

UMass Lowell 2011-present (MacDonald 2010-11/Norm Bazin 2011-present)
Overall Record: 191-123-28 (.599)
Hockey East Record: 108-85-20 (.553)
Average Wins Per Season: 21.2 (+5.8)
Average League Position: 3.7th (+2.3)
Postseason: 3 HEA Champ, 4 NCAA Regional, 1 Frozen Four



Northeastern 2005-2010 (Greg Cronin)
Overall Record: 87-104-29 (.461)
Hockey East Record: 63-73-26 (.469)
Average Wins Per Season: 17.4
Average League Position: 6.6th
Postseason: 2 HEA QF, 1 NCAA Regional

Northeastern 2011-present (Cronin 2010-11/Jim Madigan 2011-present)
Overall Record: 155-132-41 (.535)
Hockey East Record: 92-91-30 (.502)
Average Wins Per Season: 17.2 (-0.2)
Average League Position: 6th (+0.6)
Postseason: 1 HEA Champ, 1 HEA Semis, 2 HEA QF, 1 HEA Opening Round, 2 NCAA Regional







Providence 2005-2010 (Tim Army)
Overall Record: 58-98-20 (.386)
Hockey East Record: 43-72-20 (.392)
Average Wins Per Season: 11.6
Average League Position: 7.4th
Postseason: 3 HEA QF

Providence 2011-present (Army 2010-11/Nate Leaman 2011-present)
Overall Record: 180-113-46 (.598)
Hockey East Record: 105-77-32 (.565)
Average Wins Per Season: 20.0 (+8.4)
Average League Position: 3.8th (+3.6)
Postseason: 2 HEA Semis, 4 NCAA Regional, 1 NCAA Championship



New Hampshire 2005-2010 (Dick Umile)
Overall Record: 109-61-24 (.623)
Hockey East Record: 81-33-21 (.677)
Average Wins Per Season: 21.8
Average League Position: 2nd
Postseason: 5 NCAA Regional

New Hampshire 2011-present (Dick Umile 2011-2018/Michael Souza 2018-present)
Overall Record: 144-149-44 (.492)
Hockey East Record: 86-93-33 (.483)
Average Wins Per Season: 16.0 (-5.8)
Average League Position: 6.8th (-4.8)
Postseason: 2 HEA Opening Round, 2 HEA QF, 1 HEA Semis, 1 HEA Final, 2 NCAA Regional



Massachusetts 2005-2010 (Don Cahoon)
Overall Record: 81-90-13 (.472)
Hockey East Record: 57-65-13 (.470)
Average Wins Per Season: 16.2
Average League Position: 6.8th
Postseason: 4 HEA QF, 1 NCAA Regional

Massachusetts 2011-present (Cahoon 2010-12/John Micheletto 2012-2016/Greg Carvel 2016-present)

Overall Record: 105-185-28 (.374)
Hockey East Record: 62-128-24 (.345)
Average Wins Per Season: 11.6 (-4.6)
Average League Position: 8.8 (-2.0)
Postseason: 3 HEA QF, 5 HEA Opening Round




Maine 2005-2010 (Tim Whitehead)
Overall Record: 96-84-14 (.530)
Hockey East Record: 60-64-11 (.485)
Average Wins Per Season: 16.2
Average League Position: 5.4th
Postseason: 1 HEA QF, 1 HEA Final, 2 Frozen Four

Maine 2010-present (Whitehead 2011-2013/Red Gendron 2013-present)
Overall Record: 132-157-43 (.462)
Hockey East Record: 83-99-31 (.462)
Average Wins Per Season: 14.6 (-1.6)
Average League Position: 7.1th (-1.7)
Postseason: 4 HEA QF, 3 HEA Opening Round, 1 NCAA Regional



Merrimack 2005-2010 (Mark Dennehy)
Overall Record: 46-108-20 (.321)
Hockey East Record: 29-91-15 (.270)
Average Wins Per Season: 9.2
Average League Position: 9th
Postseason: 1 HEA QF

Merrimack 2011-present (Mark Dennehy 2011-2018/Scott Borek 2018-present)
Overall Record: 129-158-44 (.456)
Hockey East Record: 74-107-33 (.422)
Average Wins Per Season: 14.3 (+5.1)
Average League Position: 8th (+1.0)
Postseason: 1 NCAA Regional, 5 HEA QF, 2 HEA Opening Round



Boston University 2005-2010 (Jack Parker)
Overall Record: 118-60-24 (.643)
Hockey East Record: 76-40-20 (.632)
Average Wins Per Season: 23.6
Average League Position: 2nd
Postseason: 1 NCAA Champion, 2 NCAA Regional, 2 HEA Semis

Boston University 2011-present (Parker 2011-2013/David Quinn 2013-2018/Albie O’Connell 2018-present)
Overall Record: 181-127-36 (.578)
Hockey East Record: 114-69-32 (.604)
Average Wins Per Season: 20.1 (-3.5)
Average League Position 3.6th (-1.6)
Postseason: 1 HEA QF, 1 HEA Final, 4 NCAA Regional, 1 NCAA Final



Boston College 2005-2010 (Jerry York)
Overall Record: 127-60-20 (.661)
Hockey East Record: 73-44-18 (.607)
Average Wins Per Season: 25.4
Average League Position: 3.2nd
Postseason: 2 NCAA Championships, 2 NCAA Finals, 1 HEA Semis

Boston College 2011-present (Jerry York)
Overall Record: 214-107-28 (.653)
Hockey East Record: 138-54-21 (.697)
Average Wins Per Season: 23.7 (-1.7)
Average League Position: 1.8th (+1.4)
Postseason: 1 NCAA Championship, 2 NCAA Frozen Four, 3 NCAA Regional, 1 HEA Final, 1 HEA Semis



Connecticut 2014-present (Mike Cavanaugh)*
Overall Record: 59-95-23 (.398)
Hockey East Record: 38-60-15 (.402)
Average Wins Per Season: 11.8
Average League Position: 8th
Postseason: 3 HEA Opening Round, 1 HEA QF



HEA 2005-2010 Overall Winning Percentage

BC .661
BU .643
UNH .623
Maine .530
Vermont .524
UMass Amherst .472
UMass Lowell .465
Northeastern .461
Providence .386
Merrimack .321

HEA 2005-2010 League Winning Percentage

UNH .677
BU .632
BC .607
Vermont .537
Maine .485
UMass Amherst .470
Northeastern .469
UMass Lowell .459
Providence .392
Merrimack .270

HEA 2005-2010 Average Wins Per Season

BC 25.4
BU 23.6
UNH 21.8
Vermont 18.4
Northeastern 17.4
Maine 16.2
UMass Amherst 16.2
UMass Lowell 15.4
Providence 11.6
Merrimack 9.2

HEA 2011-Present Overall Winning Percentage

BC .653
UMass Lowell .599
Providence .598
BU .578
Northeastern .535
UNH .492
Maine .462
Merrimack .456
Vermont .430
Connecticut .398*
UMass Amherst .345

HEA 2011-Present League Winning Percentage

BC .697
BU .604
Providence .565
UMass Lowell .553
Northeastern .502
UNH .483
Maine .462
Merrimack .422
Connecticut .402*
Vermont .369
UMass Amherst .345

HEA 2011-present Average Wins Per Season

BC 23.7
UMass Lowell 21.2
BU 20.1
Providence 20.0
Northeastern 17.2
UNH 16.0
Maine 14.6
Merrimack 14.3
Vermont 13.7
Connecticut 11.8*
UMass Amherst 11.6

 

[UVM Cat in Texas]

I got through what poke check is saying and if you can I get what he's saying. I think he cares a lot...in his own way. Anyway it prompted me to go update that post I did about a year ago. I found the original post here: https://board.uscho.com/showthread....A-Gutt-Check&p=6583305&highlight=#post6583305

I'll stand by what I said then and it's the numbers don't paint a good picture. You can frame any numbers the way you want but 9 years is a pretty good sample size to see that in a performance-based industry Kevin Sneddon has little reason to continue on as the head coach. It's just time for someone new. Every other program except BC has changed coaches in that sample size from 2011 to the standings as of today.

I put in UConn with a * next to them because they don't really reflect the full sample size since they've only been in HEA for 5 years.


Vermont 2005-2010 (Kevin Sneddon)
Overall Record: 92-82-30 (.524)
Hockey East Record: 59-49-27 (.537)
Average Wins Per Season: 18.4
Average League Standing: 5th
Postseason: 2 HEA QF, 1 HEA Final, 1 NCAA Regional, 1 Frozen Four

Vermont 2011-present (Kevin Sneddon)
Overall Record: 124-170-38 (.430)
Hockey East Record: 64-118-25 (.369)
Average Wins Per Season: 13.7 (-4.7)
Average League Standing: 8th (-3.0)
Postseason: 4 HEA QF, 1 HEA Semi, 1 HEA Opening Round, 1 NCAA Regional



UMass Lowell 2005-2010 (Blaise MacDonald)
Overall Record: 77-90-19 (.465)
Hockey East Record: 54-65-16 (.459)
Average Wins Per Season: 15.4
Average League Position: 6th
Postseason: 3 HEA QF, 1 HEA Final

UMass Lowell 2011-present (MacDonald 2010-11/Norm Bazin 2011-present)
Overall Record: 191-123-28 (.599)
Hockey East Record: 108-85-20 (.553)
Average Wins Per Season: 21.2 (+5.8)
Average League Position: 3.7th (+2.3)
Postseason: 3 HEA Champ, 4 NCAA Regional, 1 Frozen Four



Northeastern 2005-2010 (Greg Cronin)
Overall Record: 87-104-29 (.461)
Hockey East Record: 63-73-26 (.469)
Average Wins Per Season: 17.4
Average League Position: 6.6th
Postseason: 2 HEA QF, 1 NCAA Regional

Northeastern 2011-present (Cronin 2010-11/Jim Madigan 2011-present)
Overall Record: 155-132-41 (.535)
Hockey East Record: 92-91-30 (.502)
Average Wins Per Season: 17.2 (-0.2)
Average League Position: 6th (+0.6)
Postseason: 1 HEA Champ, 1 HEA Semis, 2 HEA QF, 1 HEA Opening Round, 2 NCAA Regional







Providence 2005-2010 (Tim Army)
Overall Record: 58-98-20 (.386)
Hockey East Record: 43-72-20 (.392)
Average Wins Per Season: 11.6
Average League Position: 7.4th
Postseason: 3 HEA QF

Providence 2011-present (Army 2010-11/Nate Leaman 2011-present)
Overall Record: 180-113-46 (.598)
Hockey East Record: 105-77-32 (.565)
Average Wins Per Season: 20.0 (+8.4)
Average League Position: 3.8th (+3.6)
Postseason: 2 HEA Semis, 4 NCAA Regional, 1 NCAA Championship



New Hampshire 2005-2010 (Dick Umile)
Overall Record: 109-61-24 (.623)
Hockey East Record: 81-33-21 (.677)
Average Wins Per Season: 21.8
Average League Position: 2nd
Postseason: 5 NCAA Regional

New Hampshire 2011-present (Dick Umile 2011-2018/Michael Souza 2018-present)
Overall Record: 144-149-44 (.492)
Hockey East Record: 86-93-33 (.483)
Average Wins Per Season: 16.0 (-5.8)
Average League Position: 6.8th (-4.8)
Postseason: 2 HEA Opening Round, 2 HEA QF, 1 HEA Semis, 1 HEA Final, 2 NCAA Regional



Massachusetts 2005-2010 (Don Cahoon)
Overall Record: 81-90-13 (.472)
Hockey East Record: 57-65-13 (.470)
Average Wins Per Season: 16.2
Average League Position: 6.8th
Postseason: 4 HEA QF, 1 NCAA Regional

Massachusetts 2011-present (Cahoon 2010-12/John Micheletto 2012-2016/Greg Carvel 2016-present)

Overall Record: 105-185-28 (.374)
Hockey East Record: 62-128-24 (.345)
Average Wins Per Season: 11.6 (-4.6)
Average League Position: 8.8 (-2.0)
Postseason: 3 HEA QF, 5 HEA Opening Round




Maine 2005-2010 (Tim Whitehead)
Overall Record: 96-84-14 (.530)
Hockey East Record: 60-64-11 (.485)
Average Wins Per Season: 16.2
Average League Position: 5.4th
Postseason: 1 HEA QF, 1 HEA Final, 2 Frozen Four

Maine 2010-present (Whitehead 2011-2013/Red Gendron 2013-present)
Overall Record: 132-157-43 (.462)
Hockey East Record: 83-99-31 (.462)
Average Wins Per Season: 14.6 (-1.6)
Average League Position: 7.1th (-1.7)
Postseason: 4 HEA QF, 3 HEA Opening Round, 1 NCAA Regional



Merrimack 2005-2010 (Mark Dennehy)
Overall Record: 46-108-20 (.321)
Hockey East Record: 29-91-15 (.270)
Average Wins Per Season: 9.2
Average League Position: 9th
Postseason: 1 HEA QF

Merrimack 2011-present (Mark Dennehy 2011-2018/Scott Borek 2018-present)
Overall Record: 129-158-44 (.456)
Hockey East Record: 74-107-33 (.422)
Average Wins Per Season: 14.3 (+5.1)
Average League Position: 8th (+1.0)
Postseason: 1 NCAA Regional, 5 HEA QF, 2 HEA Opening Round



Boston University 2005-2010 (Jack Parker)
Overall Record: 118-60-24 (.643)
Hockey East Record: 76-40-20 (.632)
Average Wins Per Season: 23.6
Average League Position: 2nd
Postseason: 1 NCAA Champion, 2 NCAA Regional, 2 HEA Semis

Boston University 2011-present (Parker 2011-2013/David Quinn 2013-2018/Albie O’Connell 2018-present)
Overall Record: 181-127-36 (.578)
Hockey East Record: 114-69-32 (.604)
Average Wins Per Season: 20.1 (-3.5)
Average League Position 3.6th (-1.6)
Postseason: 1 HEA QF, 1 HEA Final, 4 NCAA Regional, 1 NCAA Final



Boston College 2005-2010 (Jerry York)
Overall Record: 127-60-20 (.661)
Hockey East Record: 73-44-18 (.607)
Average Wins Per Season: 25.4
Average League Position: 3.2nd
Postseason: 2 NCAA Championships, 2 NCAA Finals, 1 HEA Semis

Boston College 2011-present (Jerry York)
Overall Record: 214-107-28 (.653)
Hockey East Record: 138-54-21 (.697)
Average Wins Per Season: 23.7 (-1.7)
Average League Position: 1.8th (+1.4)
Postseason: 1 NCAA Championship, 2 NCAA Frozen Four, 3 NCAA Regional, 1 HEA Final, 1 HEA Semis



Connecticut 2014-present (Mike Cavanaugh)*
Overall Record: 59-95-23 (.398)
Hockey East Record: 38-60-15 (.402)
Average Wins Per Season: 11.8
Average League Position: 8th
Postseason: 3 HEA Opening Round, 1 HEA QF



HEA 2005-2010 Overall Winning Percentage

BC .661
BU .643
UNH .623
Maine .530
Vermont .524
UMass Amherst .472
UMass Lowell .465
Northeastern .461
Providence .386
Merrimack .321

HEA 2005-2010 League Winning Percentage

UNH .677
BU .632
BC .607
Vermont .537
Maine .485
UMass Amherst .470
Northeastern .469
UMass Lowell .459
Providence .392
Merrimack .270

HEA 2005-2010 Average Wins Per Season

BC 25.4
BU 23.6
UNH 21.8
Vermont 18.4
Northeastern 17.4
Maine 16.2
UMass Amherst 16.2
UMass Lowell 15.4
Providence 11.6
Merrimack 9.2

HEA 2011-Present Overall Winning Percentage

BC .653
UMass Lowell .599
Providence .598
BU .578
Northeastern .535
UNH .492
Maine .462
Merrimack .456
Vermont .430
Connecticut .398*
UMass Amherst .345

HEA 2011-Present League Winning Percentage

BC .697
BU .604
Providence .565
UMass Lowell .553
Northeastern .502
UNH .483
Maine .462
Merrimack .422
Connecticut .402*
Vermont .369
UMass Amherst .345

HEA 2011-present Average Wins Per Season

BC 23.7
UMass Lowell 21.2
BU 20.1
Providence 20.0
Northeastern 17.2
UNH 16.0
Maine 14.6
Merrimack 14.3
Vermont 13.7
Connecticut 11.8*
UMass Amherst 11.6

Good post. Hard to argue he should keep getting chances when you see those numbers.

 

[Charlie Catamount]

Re: UVM 2018-19: This is so sad Alex play Esposito

Good post. Hard to argue he should keep getting chances when you see those numbers.

Thanks. Also ran some numbers of the Gilligan years and I broke them down into 3 categories: Gilligan's first 15 years before the hazing scandal/his years pre-Marty-Perrin-Thomas/the hazing season until his retirement. Compared the 15 years to Sneddon's entire time as coach and Gilligan's 9 year stretch without Marty and crew to Sneddon's current 9 year run. Similar postseason numbers but Gilligan's team won more and performed better in league even though Hockey East and ECAC are not the same and the eras were different I think it says something. I think we'd all wish for .500 or better hockey year after year than what's been going on now. Outside of the biggest black eye in program history and fallout and a similar postseason record Sneddon is not even living up to what the guy before him did.

Vermont 1984-1999 (Mike Gilligan) - first 15 years/pre hazing
Overall Record: 244-216-36 (.528)
ECAC Record: 155-144-29 (.516)
Average Wins Per Season: 16.2
Average League Position: 6.1th
Postseason: 3 ECAC Prelim Round, 7 ECAC QF, 1 ECAC Finals, 2 NCAA Regional, 1 Frozen Four

Vermont 2003-2019 (Kevin Sneddon) - overall/16 seasons
Overall Record: 246-277-77 (.473)
Hockey East/ECAC Record: 143-187-63 (.444)
Average Wins Per Season: 15.3
Average League Position: 7th
Postseason: 1 ECAC QF, 1 ECAC Semis, 6 HEA QF, 1 HEA Opening Round, 1 HEA Final, 2 NCAA Regional, 1 Frozen Four

Vermont 1984-1993 (Mike Gilligan) - without St. Louis, Perrin, Thomas - 9 years
Overall Record: 134-134-14 (.500)
ECAC Record: 90-97-9 (.482)
Average Wins Per Season: 14.8
Average League Position: 6.6th
Postseason: 3 ECAC Prelim Round, 3 ECAC QF, 1 ECAC Finals, 1 NCAA Regional

Vermont 2011-present (Kevin Sneddon) - 9 years
Overall Record: 124-170-38 (.430)
Hockey East Record: 64-118-25 (.369)
Average Wins Per Season: 13.7 (-4.7)
Average League Standing: 8th (-3.0)
Postseason: 4 HEA QF, 1 HEA Semi, 1 HEA Opening Round, 1 NCAA Regional


Vermont 1999-2003 (Mike Gilligan) - hazing canceled season and beyond
Overall Record: 35-73-10 (.338)
ECAC Record: 22-46-5 (.335)
Average Wins Per Season: 8.75
Average League Position: 11th
Postseason: 2 ECAC QF

 

[TovarishchLisa]

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Nice post and I agree with your assessment of the climate on this site. And I get why it's hard for you to comment. Ted Ryan takes criticism on this site, but he's in the same boat. Hard to cover a team when the coach isn't speaking to you because you've alienated him. Not speculating what your opinion would be if you could speak freely, just saying I get it.

Since I'm no longer affiliated with the Cynic in any way I'll be transparent and say something some of you already knew - this happened to me last year and resulted in me being removed from the hockey beat. Sometimes you learn lessons on the job, and big lesson #1 - I gotta separate my fandom and my journalist side better

 

[pokecheckguy2]

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Seriously, is it me or does the guy just come across as completely unhinged?

When it comes to matters I feel strongly perhaps or maybe you just have your screw in too tight to see what I do!! haha i am kidding. I will agree to move on I have said my piece Mr Commo said his! Levae at that! I do again disagree with one thing he said and that is he could not do his job as a media person if he let personal feelings in about coaching and direction of the team..to this I ask but how should anyone be accountable??? I call ted Ryan bootlicker Ted because he is at every game and sees loss and loss and loss and knows this is not good but reports like it all hunkydory..journalist support to be in seek of the truth no? And fact is any time I hear im on 1013 The Fan radio he tows company line that to me sir is not a true journalist! He reports on propagadna and so do every TV channel like WCAX and Channel 5 and the man on 1013 The Game is very clueless --it is why you Mr Texas have given up on Sneddon being fire because the lack of accountability which all around the world is the media job...but sadly know what I know Sneddon bitter insecure man who use power to remove a GREAT student jouranlist like Lisa!! Sad and petty! It is not separatin being a fan with journalist integrity those numbers do not lie and you pair with the players leaving never develop he been through 3 coach staffs which supposed to turn it around to recruit and on ice play and nothing so it alll points to ONE MAN and sir that is Kevin Sneddon

Sad facts are You must be loyal to Sneddon crown or you enemy of the state! I am loyal to the TEAM and he is no longer good for it!! If that makes me outlaw renegade or lunatic fringe so be it!!

 

[jfromvt]

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My two cents....Hockey East has some youngish dynamic coaches, so I can understand the hope by some that we would get one of them to revitalize the program to “past glory”. But my take is, UVM is not an easy place to be a top tier program, and it never has been. We have been in D1 for 45 years, and all three coaches have a sub .500 record as D1. Even mediocre programs have good teams every once in a while. But the fact is Cross had two winning seasons at D1, the first year 1974-75, and 1979-80, when most of the good college players were on the Olympic team. Gilligan did not have a winning season after St. Louis and company graduated. Great we had St. Louis and Thomas, but that was a once in a generation happening, we aren’t getting players like that every 3-5 years. In that context, Sneddon’s record is right in line with the other two coaches. I saw positives this year, but not having a sniper or two killed us. This team would have been much better with Colton. Maybe there is more behind the story as to why he bolted in May, and the coaching staff could be partly at blame, but I really don’t know. Hopefully the Gut renovation helps, and everyone wants us to be successful, but the reality is the non-Massachusetts programs are at a disadvantage in Hockey East from a recruiting standpoint.

 

[Charlie Catamount]

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My two cents....Hockey East has some youngish dynamic coaches, so I can understand the hope by some that we would get one of them to revitalize the program to “past glory”. But my take is, UVM is not an easy place to be a top tier program, and it never has been. We have been in D1 for 45 years, and all three coaches have a sub .500 record as D1. Even mediocre programs have good teams every once in a while. But the fact is Cross had two winning seasons at D1, the first year 1974-75, and 1979-80, when most of the good college players were on the Olympic team. Gilligan did not have a winning season after St. Louis and company graduated. Great we had St. Louis and Thomas, but that was a once in a generation happening, we aren’t getting players like that every 3-5 years. In that context, Sneddon’s record is right in line with the other two coaches. I saw positives this year, but not having a sniper or two killed us. This team would have been much better with Colton. Maybe there is more behind the story as to why he bolted in May, and the coaching staff could be partly at blame, but I really don’t know. Hopefully the Gut renovation helps, and everyone wants us to be successful, but the reality is the non-Massachusetts programs are at a disadvantage in Hockey East from a recruiting standpoint.

I don't think that's an excuse to let a 36% winning percentage in league games for the last 9 years to continue. Save the immediate post-hazing scandal era and Cross' last few years, this is the worst stretch of UVM hockey in history. Yeah Gilligan's overall numbers you could say are close to what Sneddon has done but I like I said people would take Gilligan's pre-St. Louis era numbers right now over what we've seen. That's because they're better than Sneddon's. And even with the hazing scandal Gilligan ended his career only 10 games under .500 and Sneddon is 31 games under and much of that is his own doing over the last few years. I think recency bias people forget that Gilligan's teams were competitive in their league. You're not going to find 5-17-2 records in there until the end. 5 of Gilligan's first 9 seasons in the pre-St. Louis era had over .500 conference records and 6 of 9 were winning records. 6 of Sneddon's last 9 seasons have been losing seasons and 6 of 9 have been losing conference records.

So my question is why should people continue to tolerate what Sneddon has done in terms of his entire body of work and really this 9 year stretch? While I think UVM should feel like hockey is a sport they can win a national title in I don't think it's much to ask that by and large the team floats at .500 at its worst and better at its best. It's not unreasonable to expect a couple top 5 HEA finishes and 1-2 NCAA bids every 6-7 years given the league they are in makes that entirely possible. That and Gilligan was around for 19 years while Sneddon has been for 15. Cross before them was also 19. I think it would be in the best interest of a fresh start and new ideas to cut Sneddon short of the final 4 years and find someone new. It's a risk worth taking at this point and even with the so-called challenges with the Gut and other stuff there's no reason to continue on with someone who has proven they're not really going to turn it around and that's backed by data.

 

[TovarishchLisa]

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Since I'm no longer affiliated with the Cynic in any way I'll be transparent and say something some of you already knew - this happened to me last year and resulted in me being removed from the hockey beat. Sometimes you learn lessons on the job, and big lesson #1 - I gotta separate my fandom and my journalist side better

Also let me just say - me leaving the Cynic as a whole was unrelated to being removed from the hockey beat, but rather dissatisfaction with the direction the paper was going in and the fact that this year's sports editor was practically rewriting my pieces

 

[jcarter7669]

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People can argue about winning percentage and other stastics but there is really only one that matters ...

The program went from a 7-8 year waiting list for season tickets to putting out signs on game day to try and fill seats.

There comes a point in a run away game where you need to change your goalie even if they are playing lights out simply to try and jolt the rest of the team back into the game. In this case, whether you think Sneddon is a good or bad coach or somewhere in between there needs to be a change to get the program back on the right track.

 

[Vermont Ref]

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The other thing we should keep in perspective is, Gilli made around $80k at the end of his coaching career, Kevin makes around $250k. That should factor into this in some manner. I like both men as people, but they worked under different conditions - pay, league, expectations, the fan base, the times....

I don't think that's an excuse to let a 36% winning percentage in league games for the last 9 years to continue. Save the immediate post-hazing scandal era and Cross' last few years, this is the worst stretch of UVM hockey in history. Yeah Gilligan's overall numbers you could say are close to what Sneddon has done but I like I said people would take Gilligan's pre-St. Louis era numbers right now over what we've seen. That's because they're better than Sneddon's. And even with the hazing scandal Gilligan ended his career only 10 games under .500 and Sneddon is 31 games under and much of that is his own doing over the last few years. I think recency bias people forget that Gilligan's teams were competitive in their league. You're not going to find 5-17-2 records in there until the end. 5 of Gilligan's first 9 seasons in the pre-St. Louis era had over .500 conference records and 6 of 9 were winning records. 6 of Sneddon's last 9 seasons have been losing seasons and 6 of 9 have been losing conference records.

So my question is why should people continue to tolerate what Sneddon has done in terms of his entire body of work and really this 9 year stretch? While I think UVM should feel like hockey is a sport they can win a national title in I don't think it's much to ask that by and large the team floats at .500 at its worst and better at its best. It's not unreasonable to expect a couple top 5 HEA finishes and 1-2 NCAA bids every 6-7 years given the league they are in makes that entirely possible. That and Gilligan was around for 19 years while Sneddon has been for 15. Cross before them was also 19. I think it would be in the best interest of a fresh start and new ideas to cut Sneddon short of the final 4 years and find someone new. It's a risk worth taking at this point and even with the so-called challenges with the Gut and other stuff there's no reason to continue on with someone who has proven they're not really going to turn it around and that's backed by data.

 

[Charlie Catamount]

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The other thing we should keep in perspective is, Gilli made around $80k at the end of his coaching career, Kevin makes around $250k. That should factor into this in some manner. I like both men as people, but they worked under different conditions - pay, league, expectations, the fan base, the times....

Do you mean to say all of them are higher expectations under Sneddon? He makes $283,250 in base compensation according to public records. That doesn't include bonuses. The move from ECAC to Hockey East raised the expectations of the program, right? If there isn't any desire to actually compete and six 19+ loss seasons are what we're supposed to expect now with an empty rink where you can't give away tickets even if you tried these days what was the point of the move back then? What's the point being Division I? If you don't care cut scholarships or the budget for hockey like they're doing for track and swimming. Perhaps you said it best, the times have changed and Sneddon simply is no longer a fit. I think everything from numbers to what we're seeing on the ice to the total lack of demand for tickets all point to a change needing to be made unless they really want to see how low this can go. I'd really like to hear rationale from decision makers or anyone here on why there's a reason to be hopeful about this program at all.

I pulled this from the release on the school joining Hockey East (https://www.uvm.edu/newsstories/news/uvm_join_hockey_east). Emphasized some quotes that even though its PR speak...I'd really like to know what changed about this attitude over the last 9 years. Nobody is arguing that from 2005-2010 it seemed like these quotes were well on their way to being true. Now it reads like a cruel joke.

"It is an honor to accept Hockey East's invitation and we look forward to competing for a Hockey East championship beginning with the 2005-06 season," Corran said. "This is an exciting time for our staff, student-athletes, and the entire UVM community. We have sincerely enjoyed the many wonderful years we have spent in the Eastern College Athletic Conference (ECAC) and look forward to continuing our association with the ECAC and its member schools through the 2004-05 season and in non-conference play in 2005-06 and beyond."

"This is absolutely the right move at the right time for Vermont," University of Vermont President Daniel Mark Fogel said. "Athletics is a window into the life of our university and this opportunity demonstrates that we are serious about our drive to raising the institution's competitive metabolism and enhancing our national profile as a school known for its academic excellence."


Vermont men's hockey coach Kevin Sneddon is equally excited about the move to Hockey East.

"I am very pleased with the decision to move to Hockey East," Sneddon said. "I had complete faith and trust in President Fogel and Dr. Corran during this process. Their vision has always been to provide our student-athletes with the best competitive experiences possible. We all feel that Hockey East is a great fit for the University of Vermont, and that the University of Vermont is a great fit for Hockey East.

"We realize we have a lot of work and planning ahead of us in order to build our program into a national contender once again," Sneddon continued. "Our staff and student-athletes are committed to this challenge."

 

[pokecheckguy2]

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Do you mean to say all of them are higher expectations under Sneddon? He makes $283,250 in base compensation according to public records. That doesn't include bonuses. The move from ECAC to Hockey East raised the expectations of the program, right? If there isn't any desire to actually compete and six 19+ loss seasons are what we're supposed to expect now with an empty rink where you can't give away tickets even if you tried these days what was the point of the move back then? What's the point being Division I? If you don't care cut scholarships or the budget for hockey like they're doing for track and swimming. Perhaps you said it best, the times have changed and Sneddon simply is no longer a fit. I think everything from numbers to what we're seeing on the ice to the total lack of demand for tickets all point to a change needing to be made unless they really want to see how low this can go. I'd really like to hear rationale from decision makers or anyone here on why there's a reason to be hopeful about this program at all.

I pulled this from the release on the school joining Hockey East (https://www.uvm.edu/newsstories/news/uvm_join_hockey_east). Emphasized some quotes that even though its PR speak...I'd really like to know what changed about this attitude over the last 9 years. Nobody is arguing that from 2005-2010 it seemed like these quotes were well on their way to being true. Now it reads like a cruel joke.

Reasons? they have no reason to be hopeful ...THAT is why nobody else comes to post here not because its negative all the time but because they cant argue the facts anymore! Fan negative reaction comes from bad performance on ice and by coaches pretty simple if you ask me! But does anyone think UVM is going to do anything about it...NOPE! Rome burns while Nero (Schulman!) fiddles!!