Utica College: The gang's all here.

[Fishman'81]

Based on what? You have no idea if they will compete or not. There is no knowledge on the type of recruits that would come here and what kind of team they could put together. What kind of kid would choose empty buildings at Mercyhurst, Holy Cross, Niagara, SH, Canisius, AIC over the Aud?

Well, you almost call out yourself by referencing the above teams, who all are D-1 afterthoughts (to put it mildly). None of them have ever even had a remote sniff of the FF.

I suspect that people will show up at the Aud should UC go D-1, too, but probably more for the beer than to see the likes of AIC, Sacred Heart, et al... My question is this: will they still show up when Utica turns into an also-ran, instead of the perennial D-3 National contender that it is now? Those beery folks like to see wins.

I don't pretend to understand the economics of the issue. I'm just a fan of D-3 hockey. It's great just as it is, and be careful what you wish for, "moving up".

Guess we'll see, but if I had to bet my life, I would predict that UC won't even attempt the legal gymnastics involved in PJ's scenario. It's really difficult to make a case for it on its face.

And, as lovely as Utica is, I don't see a recruiting advantage over Erie PA, Buffalo, Worchester... Especially when they start going 12-18 every year, and are irrelevant in a National sense.

(Yeah, you never know, and there's still the beer.

 

[Sir Nubs]

Well, you almost call out yourself by referencing the above teams, who all are D-1 afterthoughts (to put it mildly). None of them have ever even had a remote sniff of the FF.

I suspect that people will show up at the Aud should UC go D-1, too, but probably more for the beer than to see the likes of AIC, Sacred Heart, et al... My question is this: will they still show up when Utica turns into an also-ran, instead of the perennial D-3 National contender that it is now? Those beery folks like to see wins.

I don't pretend to understand the economics of the issue. I'm just a fan of D-3 hockey. It's great just as it is, and be careful what you wish for, "moving up".

Guess we'll see, but if I had to bet my life, I would predict that UC won't even attempt the legal gymnastics involved in PJ's scenario. It's really difficult to make a case for it on its face.

And, as lovely as Utica is, I don't see a recruiting advantage over Erie PA, Buffalo, Worchester... Especially when they start going 12-18 every year, and are irrelevant in a National sense.

(Yeah, you never know, and there's still the beer.

Perennial D3 national contender? How many Frozen Fours has Utica been to? One?

 

[geneseo]

RIT's attendance is actually higher than when they were in D3. Their problem is they built too big of an arena, so appearances aren’t good because it looks "empty" at times, despite having more people than the Ritter could ever hold.

I really liked watching games in the old arena.

 

[jerrynu26]

Perennial D3 national contender? How many Frozen Fours has Utica been to? One?

Getting the popcorn ready!!!

 

[Pioneer247]

Perennial D3 national contender? How many Frozen Fours has Utica been to? One?

Let's not pretend like they weren't the #1 overall seed in the COVID-canceled tournament...

 

[Sir Nubs]

Let's not pretend like they weren't the #1 overall seed in the COVID-canceled tournament...

That and a buck and a half will get you a cup of coffee. They have one NCAA win all-time and had not even qualified for the tournament between 2013 and 2020. Some "perennial contender."

Standards sure have slipped around here.

 

[sshablak]

Nubs...Somebody pee in your cornflakes ?

 

[bakdraft21]

Ok here is where Remi would school all/most...Miss the guy for sure

 

[Sir Nubs]

Nubs...Somebody pee in your cornflakes ?

Nope. I'm just questioning the statement of "perennial national contender" when discussing a program that has one all-time win in the tournament and went seven years between appearances. I didnt say this version of Utica isn't a contender. They have yet to reach perennial status in my opinion.

 

[sshablak]

Guess I have to give you that.

 

[OZFEST]

Ok here is where Remi would school all/most...Miss the guy for sure

I think if any school has a chance to jump to D1, go in with both feet and don't look back.

 

[Fishman'81]

Nope. I'm just questioning the statement of "perennial national contender" when discussing a program that has one all-time win in the tournament and went seven years between appearances. I didnt say this version of Utica isn't a contender. They have yet to reach perennial status in my opinion.

The "selection process" was a s**t-show until the PWR came into the equation. Even the slowest mind recognizes this fact. (Or, maybe not, considering YOUR posts.)

Utica was screwed for years, whereas SNC was basically a shoo-in half the time, via the AQ.

And if you don't agree that UC has been a top-10 team -via any reasonable metric- for some years now..? That would be a typically clueless Miss Nubs notion.

Please go away. Don't you have a puppy to kick in-between beers?

Nobody appreciates your *insight* here, DBag. Take your mindless anger elsewhere, or cultivate a hobby.

Your bullshit is beyond tiresome.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

The "selection process" was a ****-show until the PWR came into the equation. Utica was screwed for years, whereas SNC was basically a shoo-in half the time, via the AQ.

Please go away. Don't you have a puppy to kick at home, or some other way to vent your mindless anger?

How was SNC a "shoo-in" when they had Adrian in their league for how many years now? Arguably two of if not the most successful programs in NCAA D3 over the last decade.

 

[Fishman'81]

How was SNC a "shoo-in" when they had Adrian in their league for how many years now? Arguably two of if not the most successful programs in NCAA D3 over the last decade.

1. "Shoo-in" is an actual term.

2. I have no problem with SNC. Nubby's BS has nothing to do with their success.

3. Both Adrian and SNC made the NCAA's frequently, sure. Maybe they both made it out of their conference in the same season a few times, IDK. But the field is much smaller out West.

4. And the selection process was totally illogical back then.

 

[Sir Nubs]

The "selection process" was a s**t-show until the PWR came into the equation. Even the slowest mind recognizes this fact. (Or, maybe not, considering YOUR posts.)

Utica was screwed for years, whereas SNC was basically a shoo-in half the time, via the AQ.

And if you don't agree that UC has been a top-10 team -via any reasonable metric- for some years now..? That would be a typically clueless Miss Nubs notion.

Please go away. Don't you have a puppy to kick in-between beers?

Nobody appreciates your *insight* here, DBag. Take your mindless anger elsewhere, or cultivate a hobby.

Your bull**** is beyond tiresome.

As usual, instead of buttressing your position with facts it's galloping off into the realm of ad hominem attacks. Not to mention the program's own shortcomings (untimely losses, weak schedule, etc.) being a bigger factor than any perceived NCAA "screw job."

Have a Coke and a smile, Steve. You'll feel better.

 

[Fishman'81]

As usual, instead of buttressing your position with facts it's galloping off into the realm of ad hominen attacks. Not to mention the program's own shortcomings (untimely losses, weak schedule, etc.) being a bigger factor than any perceived NCAA "screw job."

Have a Coke and a smile, Steve. You'll feel better.

There are two ways to abbreviate AH on here.

One is the rarely-used "ad-hominem" thing, and the other is the more commonly-used shortcut to refer to a person as an "a******", and the latter term describes you.

If SNC is such hot shit, why don't you start a thread, and get TF out of here? Your little-girl trolling isn't entertaining to anyone.

 

[Sir Nubs]

There are two ways to abbreviate AH on here.

One is the rarely-used "ad-hominem" thing, and the other is the more commonly-used shortcut to refer to a person as an "a******", and the latter term describes you.

If SNC is such hot ****, why don't you start a thread, and get TF out of here? Your little-girl trolling isn't entertaining to anyone.

Who's trolling? I'm simply asking you to state the evidence that backs your claim that Utica is a perennial national power? Based on your inability or unwillingness to do so and attack me instead, I can only conclude that you are conceding defeat.

As for SNC being the vulgar term you used, I don't need to start any thread. The five national championship banners hanging in their barn do all the talking.

Try a diet Coke (to keep your blood sugar low and keep you from going off on a glucose rage) and take a deep breath this time, Steve. You'll feel better.

 

[UCAlum32]

Nubs unlike Fish I'll bring actual information to this argument. I am a UC guy through and through but I will agree with you it's not like they are sitting on a bunch of National Titles. But in doing this kind of jump neither was RIT when they made the jump they last won it in 85. This kind of major athletics reclassification has very little to do with past (or and this is going to piss a lot of people off) future athletics success its about enrollments. If the college thinks converting their athletics programs is going to drive more enrollments and help to create a steady source of FTE's (think students divided by credits taken) i.e. tuition dollars then they will do it. I am sure they are paying some consultant somewhere to look at this and when the report comes in the president and the board of trustees will hem and haw for about a year and make a decision

 

[Sir Nubs]

Nubs unlike Fish I'll bring actual information to this argument. I am a UC guy through and through but I will agree with you it's not like they are sitting on a bunch of National Titles. But in doing this kind of jump neither was RIT when they made the jump they last won it in 85. This kind of major athletics reclassification has very little to do with past (or and this is going to **** a lot of people off) future athletics success its about enrollments. If the college thinks converting their athletics programs is going to drive more enrollments and help to create a steady source of FTE's (think students divided by credits taken) i.e. tuition dollars then they will do it. I am sure they are paying some consultant somewhere to look at this and when the report comes in the president and the board of trustees will hem and haw for about a year and make a decision

I'm not all that interested in a potential move to D1 for Utica. There are pros and cons to both. I'm merely interested in the reasons and data supporting same that Utica is a "perennial national contender" at the D3 level as asserted by Fishman despite only having one NCAA Tournament win in their history.

 

[JSicedog]

I'm not all that interested in a potential move to D1 for Utica. There are pros and cons to both. I'm merely interested in the reasons and data supporting same that Utica is a "perennial national contender" at the D3 level as asserted by Fishman despite only having one NCAA Tournament win in their history.

St Norbert past 5 seasons
85-22-6 .7522 win percentage

Utica past 5 seasons
91-18-5 .7982 win percentage

Tides are starting to change. Don't let the door hit you on the way out