Utica College Pioneers 2012-13 Season (Part Two)

[bakdraft21]

Re: Utica College Pioneers 2012-13 Season (Part Two)

The key is D-I transfers. You have to be able to keep your ear to the ground and find out when somebody is unhappy and leaving a D-I program so you can snatch them before some other top flight program gets him.

10-4 they dont seem to hurt your team,look at last yrs championship team roster I think they made up a third of the team...

 

[PSUChamps2001]

The past 3 years Utica has a winning % of .688 the 9 years before that their winning % was .534. So yes before the infractions they were a .500 team and after the winning % jumped over .100 points. The win-loss-tie records were found right here on USCHO in case you were wondering where my numbers came from. While yes the Canadian players may not have lit up the scoring that does not mean they did not have some sort of impact and nor does it mean that the coach's did not hope they would become superstars. Show me a coach that recruits players that he does not believe will continue their development in college hockey, there are not any. They all believe these players will continue their success from JR's to college but that is not always the case in terms of the score sheet. Platty, Oswego and many other D3 and D1 teams have these players each year and it can be for a number of reasons. More people are going to continue to chime in because to me and others you are defending the actions of the school in miss handling the use of these funds, because the players were not superstars. Either way they messed up either intentionally or unintentionally and have to face the music which they did with the punishment, that's the end of it.

Game. Set. Match. Thanks for playing Fish.

 

[Fishman'81]

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Hardly, Einstein...

Champs, dumbmac just parsed the numbers as he saw fit, picking and choosing segments of time... (Oh wait, you do that too!)

Over its 12-year history, UC has a .573 W % ,which is a far cry from .500, in realistic terms. As I've said already, that's not exactly stellar, but it's not bad, considering that .700 is pretty-much the realistic ceiling over such a span of time.

Yes, Platty's is .700 or so, and that's an impressive W% by any measure, but they play in the so-so SUNYAC... I would love to somehow see how they would have fared in the W over the same time-period. (Apples and oranges.) And my daddy can still beat-up your daddy.



One of these days my life might get so barren as to resort to finding the Platty thread, and crunching numbers creatively in order advance some moronic/insulting "point", but I hope to God that I will still have better things on my docket then you apparently do, even now.

 

[Fishman'81]

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10-4 they dont seem to hurt your team,look at last yrs championship team roster I think they made up a third of the team...

Good point.

I saw UWEC's roster somewhere last year, and was a bit taken-aback by how over-aged that team was... But DOB information for D-3 teams isn't readily available via either this site or the schools' site. It's another case of The Emperor's New Clothes.

Still, I find that ironic, considering the fact that D-3 purports itself to be somehow more pure than D-1, the latter of which actually appears to skate more 18 YOs among its top-teams than does D-3.

Having said that, most of those D-1 cast-offs that I've seen aren't very talented. Looking at their numbers, they are playing D-3 because they were at the end of the bench on their D-1 teams... But they tend to be 4-6 years older than the typical D-3 Freshman, and much more physically mature. (The size/strength imbalance probably wouldn't matter too much, if D-3 officiating wasn't so GD awful half the time.)

 

[dmac1103]

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Hardly, Einstein...

Champs, dumbmac just parsed the numbers as he saw fit, picking and choosing segments of time... (Oh wait, you do that too!)

Over its 12-year history, UC has a .573 W % ,which is a far cry from .500, in realistic terms. As I've said already, that's not exactly stellar, but it's not bad, considering that .700 is pretty-much the realistic ceiling over such a span of time.

Yes, Platty's is .700 or so, and that's an impressive W% by any measure, but they play in the so-so SUNYAC... I would love to somehow see how they would have fared in the W over the same time-period. (Apples and oranges.) And my daddy can still beat-up your daddy.



One of these days my life might get so barren as to resort to finding the Platty thread, and crunching numbers creatively in order advance some moronic/insulting "point", but I hope to God that I will still have better things on my docket then you apparently do, even now.

Dumbmac wow that was a good one must have got that from trash talking 101. Oh and the numbers thing what else do you need to see, you are right .573 is a a far cry above .500 which means advantage Utica, the avg winning % for teams starting out (I used 1997-1998 till last year as starting and ending points) the avg is .425 again advantage Utica, 4 teams that have come to D3 either from D2 or starting from scratch have a winning % over .500 so where .700 is the average is beyond me. As for Platty playing in the SO-SO SUNYAC conference that is one of the best jokes I have heard in a while. The SUNYAC is one of the Nations best with multiple teams either getting into the NCAA's or right on the bubble not just once or twice every so often but every year.I know your going to come up with another excuse about how the stars didn't align right which means Utica got punished to heavily or maybe the powers to be are afraid Utica may win it all so they stopped them by any means necessary either way you look at we all know the punishment fit the crime. So come on put me down by changing my nickname on here or tell us all how the evil empires of Oswego and Platty have combined forces to destroy D3 hockey by stealing all the "Canadian Superstars". By the way if Platty was in the same situation I would be calling for the heads of who ever screwed up and caused this to happen and not coming onto the internet whining "It's not fair they were mean to us and nobody else".

 

[smbenny]

I'm not disagreeing with you that the SUNYAC is a good conference, but it doesn't make sense for you to use the fact that one of their teams gets into the NCAAs each year because they have an autobid! So every year one of the teams in the SUNYAC will make the NCAA tournament.

It's funny how UTICA makes the NCAA tournament for the first time and their fans think they are the best!

 

[sshablak]

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I'm not disagreeing with you that the SUNYAC is a good conference, but it doesn't make sense for you to use the fact that one of their teams gets into the NCAAs each year because they have an autobid! So every year one of the teams in the SUNYAC will make the NCAA tournament.

It's funny how UTICA makes the NCAA tournament for the first time and their fans think they are the best!

Not true at all, "most" of the UC posters here are pretty fair and open minded. Theirs only one guy you are referring to.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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Hardly, Einstein...

Compared to you, most of the 500 or so of New York's finest I saw yesterday at work are.....

Champs, dumbmac just parsed the numbers as he saw fit, picking and choosing segments of time... (Oh wait, you do that too!)

No dummy. The reason we said .500 was not because we "parsed the numbers as he (we) saw fit" its because ITS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Utica was a near .500 team prior to the Canadian FA Grant System being put in place using the FACTS both Utica AND the NCAA supplied, and nearly a .700 team after. What's so difficult to grasp? Nevermind.

Over its 12-year history, UC has a .573 W % ,which is a far cry from .500, in realistic terms. As I've said already, that's not exactly stellar, but it's not bad, considering that .700 is pretty-much the realistic ceiling over such a span of time.

See above moron.

Yes, Platty's is .700 or so, and that's an impressive W% by any measure, but they play in the so-so SUNYAC...

The so-so SUNYAC that Utica is a .500 team against on the road. We've been down this road, but hey if I was a team that never played non-conference road games on a regular basis, and when I do lose, I'd probably not want to admit it either.

I would love to somehow see how they would have fared in the W over the same time-period. (Apples and oranges.) And my daddy can still beat-up your daddy.

See above.....If Utica played more SUNYAC teams on the road by the looks of things they would be a BELOW .500 team most of the time.

One of these days my life might get so barren as to resort to finding the Platty thread, and crunching numbers creatively in order advance some moronic/insulting "point", but I hope to God that I will still have better things on my docket then you apparently do, even now.

Please don't. You have a hard enough time understanding and comprehending the simplest concepts about your own team. Your brain is on overload. You must be mixing to much bleach in with your mop bucket at work again or did you forget to put cheese on the mans sandwich again??

smbenny, autobid or not the SUNYAC would probably get at least 1 if not 2 teams in. You don't have to call it an autobid, but for many years the Pool B was the ECAC West Autobid. The other eligible teams were not even respectable. So you can spare the "we didn't have any autobid" cry. When the ECAC West A) Wins the same number of National Titles B) Makes the same number of Championship Appearances C) Makes the same number of Final Fours check back with us. Take out Neumanns cheating run and the current ECAC West teams have the same number of Championship Appearances as FREDONIA, ADRIAN and GUSTAVUS. St.Thomas has TWICE as many and most of todays players were not even BORN the last time a current ECAC West team was in the Championship game. Not saying the West is garbage, but lets stop putting them on this elite pedestal because they beat up on the lower end teams of DIII to inflate their SOS.

sshablak, agree. Most of you at least have half a brain to understand simple concepts of DIII hockey, can admit when you're wrong, and can admit when someone is right.

 

[Birdwatcher]

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Hardly, Einstein...

Champs, dumbmac just parsed the numbers as he saw fit, picking and choosing segments of time... (Oh wait, you do that too!)

Over its 12-year history, UC has a .573 W % ,which is a far cry from .500, in realistic terms. As I've said already, that's not exactly stellar, but it's not bad, considering that .700 is pretty-much the realistic ceiling over such a span of time.

Yes, Platty's is .700 or so, and that's an impressive W% by any measure, but they play in the so-so SUNYAC... I would love to somehow see how they would have fared in the W over the same time-period. (Apples and oranges.) And my daddy can still beat-up your daddy.



One of these days my life might get so barren as to resort to finding the Platty thread, and crunching numbers creatively in order advance some moronic/insulting "point", but I hope to God that I will still have better things on my docket then you apparently do, even now.

Yes Plattsburgh does play in the SUNYAC! They also have 10 teams in SUNYAC. Lets do away with the bottom five and although I haven't done the numbers, their percentage would still probably be higher! Before leaving the ECACW in the early 90s Plattsburgh was usually one of the top SUNY teams and ECAC Teams at the same time, in the same year. YES, they belonged to both!!

 

[joecct]

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Yes Plattsburgh does play in the SUNYAC! They also have 10 teams in SUNYAC. Lets do away with the bottom five and although I haven't done the numbers, their percentage would still probably be higher! Before leaving the ECACW in the early 90s Plattsburgh was usually one of the top SUNY teams and ECAC Teams at the same time, in the same year. YES, they belonged to both!!

Right now, the SUNYAC is Oswego + Plattsburgh + 8 also rans.
The ECAC-E is Norwich + 7 hopefuls (please, somebody else win the RS title before changing this)

In the ECAC-W's defense, they at least vary who's on top as do the MASCAC and ECAC-NE.

 

[UCBadger]

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[joecct]

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Is your sister OK?

 

[UCBadger]

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Is your sister OK?

Yah, but Mynd you, m00se bites Kan be pretty nasti ...

 

[Fishman'81]

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Dumbmac wow that was a good one must have got that from trash talking 101.

I'm truly sorry that I called you a name, dmac. I suppose it was that I was just a bit cranky that the Sox didn't hammer the Yankees harder last night (though tonight was better in that regard.)

I don't even know you, insofar as one can know anyone on here, and a single dumb post does not a dumb person make... But your body of work is growing.

 

[Fishman'81]

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I'm not disagreeing with you that the SUNYAC is a good conference, but it doesn't make sense for you to use the fact that one of their teams gets into the NCAAs each year because they have an autobid! So every year one of the teams in the SUNYAC will make the NCAA tournament.

It's funny how UTICA makes the NCAA tournament for the first time and their fans think they are the best!

Not in an "all-time" sense, by any means, but perhaps the best in the East last year by any objective measure, right?

And just for the record, I'm not disparaging programs such as Platty, Oswego, Middlebury and Norwich over the 12 years I've been following Eastern D-3. It would be beyond ridiculous to do so, just on the basis of their collective W%... But that does not preclude questioning their SOS's relative to any team in the W during that same time-span.

 

[Fishman'81]

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Yes Plattsburgh does play in the SUNYAC! They also have 10 teams in SUNYAC. Lets do away with the bottom five and although I haven't done the numbers, their percentage would still probably be higher! Before leaving the ECACW in the early 90s Plattsburgh was usually one of the top SUNY teams and ECAC Teams at the same time, in the same year. YES, they belonged to both!!

Platty has a great program and an astounding W% over many years- yes, I actually looked it up -but do you really think that expunging results against the bottom-five teams in the SUNYAC would make it's record more gaudy?

That defies all logic. (And no, I won't do the math.)

 

[NorthernBlight]

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Platty has a great program and an astounding W% over many years- yes, I actually looked it up -but do you really think that expunging results against the bottom-five teams in the SUNYAC would make it's record more gaudy?

That defies all logic. (And no, I won't do the math.)

It wouldn't make Plattsburgh's record "more gaudy", but it would puff up the sunyacs sos to the point it would look more like the sos of the self proclaimed ecacw jugggernaut. This is the same point that was covered 17 pages ago in here but you obviously had no interest in paying attention to it.

 

[Fishman'81]

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Oh I read it all right, but consider this (seemingly) obvious point:

A vigorous SOS only helps a team if it wins a lot of games vs. that formidable docket, and I guarantee you that neither Platty nor Oswego would have played to quite such lofty W%s, had they competed in a conference composed of the 6 best SUNYAC teams every year... That much clearly stands to reason. (And, just to be nice, I'll willfully disregard the fact that the SUNYAC has not once fielded 5 or 6 quality teams over the past 12 years. )

Still, I'll allow that even with a lower W%, their somewhat-improved SOS might even things out to the extent that it's a kinda-sorta wash for Platty and OSU, in an historical sense... Both programs have been outstanding since I've been paying attention, whether or not their conference as a whole has been particularly good in a given year.

 

[snc1]

Now you, I, and these fine hockey fans know that cannot be true.

Wait, you didn't get your rights to post in this thread taken away, or can you post in here only half as much as you want?

 

[vcxc3200]

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Best post i've seen in months.