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Utica College Pioneers 2011-2012

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OSU2010 said:
They look at the highest seeded team first, but I could see them ranking Elmira higher especially if hey win the ECAC-West, since the entire west is all ranked any wins they get are going to be ranked wins.
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The NCAA ranking is only used to determine what teams should be used for the record vs. ranked opponents component of the primary selection criteria.
 
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ecfan90 said:
The NCAA ranking is only used to determine what teams should be used for the record vs. ranked opponents component of the primary selection criteria.
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The final rankings, based on the same criteria are used to determine the order in which teams are selected for the Pool C bids, and also the seeds in each region.

If the season were to end today, those rankings would be used to determine the field and the brackets.
 
NUProf said:
The final rankings, based on the same criteria are used to determine the order in which teams are selected for the Pool C bids, and also the seeds in each region.

If the season were to end today, those rankings would be used to determine the field and the brackets.
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You're the math wiz...if all the favorites win in thr ECAC W and NESCAC ...Elmira wins the West but Amherst loses the NESCAC in the Champ...wonder ehat the numbers would look like then. It might be enoigh to catapult Elmira over. One thing to keep in mind everyone but the ECAC West must have one more loss added to their record, the west champ does not.
 
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NUProf said:
The final rankings, based on the same criteria are used to determine the order in which teams are selected for the Pool C bids, and also the seeds in each region.

If the season were to end today, those rankings would be used to determine the field and the brackets.
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Thank you, and I stand corrected.
 
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Going to my first UC game of the season tonight, hope they win but I'd be very surprised. Neumann had had their # for quite some time now !
 
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We're getting close to "never let the facts get in the way of a good argument" territory. In 10 days or so we'll begin in earnest.
 
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sshablak said:
Going to my first UC game of the season tonight, hope they win but I'd be very surprised. Neumann had had their # for quite some time now !
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Yup.

Seen all four UC/NU games this year; Utica has carried the play for the better part of each of them, and has gone 0-3-1 in the process. (Go figger... Hockey is cruel.)

Oddly, UC appears to be considerably deeper than their W brethren these days, but a step behind when comparing the conference's respective first-lines, and that has been their undoing all year long.

The Pioneers probably should mine Heenan's native Ontario more vigorously, now that they are allowed to do so... There wasn't an American-born player on NU's top unit, for instance, aside from the goalie, MacKinnon, who's from CT. (I HATE that guy!)

Well, so much for 11/12, and here's to pillaging the OJHL in the off-season as best we can... I can't see Utica catching up with the ECs, NUs, M'villes and Oswegos of the world, otherwise.
 
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I don't mind "harsh" at all, but let's step back and look at what Amherst's resume before we anoint them.

They have no wins against any team that is within a country mile of the post-season. That alone makes them suspect to me, but then again, I've never been been one to admire The Emperor's New Clothes, even if they are in the guise of "The Official D-3 NCAA Rankings".

Will they get in? Maybe. Should they..? Obviously not.

It wouldn't shock me to see them selected, considering how D-3 does things, but to include AC before Castleton, or whatever team survives the W, defies any reasonable logic.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
I don't mind "harsh" at all, but let's step back and look at what Amherst's resume before we anoint them.

They have no wins against any team that is within a country mile of the post-season. That alone makes them suspect to me, but then again, I've never been been one to admire The Emperor's New Clothes, even if they are in the guise of "The Official D-3 NCAA Rankings".

Will they get in? Maybe. Should they..? Obviously not.

It wouldn't shock me to see them selected, considering how D-3 does things, but to include AC before Castleton, or whatever team survives the W, defies any reasonable logic.
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You make it sound like the NCAA Committee is just throwing darts at a board and ranking teams on a whim. Even though the process is not completely objective, we have access to all the numbers. Amherst is ahead of your team because the numbers put them there. Just because Castleton beat your team and you beat Amherst doesn't mean anything. Amherst beats Castleton by the numbers as well. You're team just finished last in their conference. That fact should be enough to kill any arguments you might have left.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
I don't mind "harsh" at all, but let's step back and look at what Amherst's resume before we anoint them.

They have no wins against any team that is within a country mile of the post-season. That alone makes them suspect to me, but then again, I've never been been one to admire The Emperor's New Clothes, even if they are in the guise of "The Official D-3 NCAA Rankings".

Will they get in? Maybe. Should they..? Obviously not.

It wouldn't shock me to see them selected, considering how D-3 does things, but to include AC before Castleton, or whatever team survives the W, defies any reasonable logic.
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All we can do is try to figure out what the committee will do with the rules in place the way they are. Blue skying as to what the rules should be doesn't help the analysis of what the field will be. We can argue about those things in the off season, but we have to remember that changing them would require NCAA legislation that would affect all D3 sports. As far as Utica is concerned, they lost a game that they could not have afforded to use.
 
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Originally Posted by sshablak
Going to my first UC game of the season tonight, hope they win but I'd be very surprised. Neumann had had their # for quite some time now !
jerrynu26 said:
You do know they are going to blame you for it.
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It's all Shabby's fault, that's a fact.
 
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Sorry !What was with the half full rink, students on break ?
 
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I am starting to think all of this stuff from some Utica posters is just frustration because they thought they were going to be better than they turned. Don't get me wrong they had a really good year by most standards but potentially they could be a three loss team despite playing in the West. They had a really young team last year and played some close games against really good teams. Their two solid freshman goalies now had a year under their belts and so did much of the rest of the starting lineup. They had a big win at home over Oswego early in the season and then the inconsistency started and they played their way out of contention.

Amherst is a good team, yes they struggled at the Aud but a lot of teams do. They are a defense first team with a really good goalie and will be a tough out for whomever has to play them in the NCAA's.

I would like to see Utica get in because I think they could do some damage with the style they play but the numbers don't seem to support it. The system isn't perfect but if you start putting teams in just because the perception is they will do better than someone else, I think that ruins what integrity the whole thing does have.
 
Laker28 said:
I am starting to think all of this stuff from some Utica posters is just frustration because they thought they were going to be better than they turned. Don't get me wrong they had a really good year by most standards but potentially they could be a three loss team despite playing in the West. They had a really young team last year and played some close games against really good teams. Their two solid freshman goalies now had a year under their belts and so did much of the rest of the starting lineup. They had a big win at home over Oswego early in the season and then the inconsistency started and they played their way out of contention.

Amherst is a good team, yes they struggled at the Aud but a lot of teams do. They are a defense first team with a really good goalie and will be a tough out for whomever has to play them in the NCAA's.

I would like to see Utica get in because I think they could do some damage with the style they play but the numbers don't seem to support it. The system isn't perfect but if you start putting teams in just because the perception is they will do better than someone else, I think that ruins what integrity the whole thing does have.
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Parity in sports in general is up. And when you only have 3 at large bids you will always have good deserving teams left out. This isnt the round ball league where you have 37 at large bids where 9 teams from one conference can get in.

I can agree with Uticas fans who wish they had a shot, but there just isn't
A. Enough bids
B. Supporting numbers
C. Cross conference matchups

you have to have some sort of system, the NCAA has done that. Plattsburgh had to adjust their schedule and the SUNYAC adjusted their playoffs to their Pool C options.

I for one would love to see it expand to the 16 tourny, but its not going to happen. Heck Id.love to see it go back to the 2/mini or 3 game series too
 
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I interrupt your selection arguement to bring you the following piece of information:

Less than 24 hours after his college career ended, Tim Coffman has withdrawn from classes and signed with Greenville of the ECHL. He will make his professional debut in Trenton tomorrow night.
 
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vcxc3200 said:
I interrupt your selection arguement to bring you the following piece of information:

Less than 24 hours after his college career ended, Tim Coffman has withdrawn from classes and signed with Greenville of the ECHL. He will make his professional debut in Trenton tomorrow night.
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So he can be removed from this list.
 
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