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US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

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unofan said:
And Trump somehow failed to note those other "heinous activities." (And no, saying "Saddam was a bad guy, but..." doesn't cover it).
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Forgive me, but for me it does. I don't need the full recitation. Others? Maybe, but I'd say people know.

By invoking that name, and saying he's a bad guy, the litany of atrocities rolled through my head before Trump put out the next statement. I was ready for what was coming next: he invoked Saddam's "train schedules". At that point to myself I said, "Yeah, he did ... along with how many others?"
 
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On a historical note, a large number of the British upper class liked Adolph because Adolph hated communists.
 
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GrinCDXX said:
That qualifies as a rip?
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Yes and no. It's an immediate dismissal without discussion. What is a rip on the internet today but an immediate dismissal while employing coarse language?
 
joecct said:
On a historical note, a large number of the British upper class liked Adolph because Adolph hated communists.
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Same here. Plus many Americans admired the way he revived the economy in Germany. They kept admiring him right up until he declared war on us.
 
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I must have missed the quote/link of Trump that is under scrutiny.

[edit] Googled it

Ok, so trying to understand why his commentary should't be ripped on its face. Does anyone really believe it can be viewed as not that ludicrous a proclamation by manufacturing context? Even if in fact he was, "wonderful at killing terrorists" who gives a flying flip? Why do people insist on running to his defense every time he says something indefensible?

I think of the original Bad News Bears in moments like this: "Hey Tanner (er, Donald), does he go to the bathroom for you too?"
 
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Kepler said:
This family again.
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ticapnews said:
Same here. Plus many Americans admired the way he revived the economy in Germany. They kept admiring him right up until he declared war on us.
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This is all too funny. Countless thousands or hundreds of thousands of people said and meant complimentary things about Hitler (including darlings of the left) in the early 1930's, and a lot of US companies did business with Germany, including business that undoubtedly assisted in their war effort. IBM, the steel and aluminum industries, the automobile industries, etc... There is nothing better than criticism based solely on hindsight. You can never be wrong.
 
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SJHovey said:
This is all too funny. Countless thousands or hundreds of thousands of people said and meant complimentary things about Hitler (including darlings of the left) in the early 1930's, and a lot of US companies did business with Germany, including business that undoubtedly assisted in their war effort. IBM, the steel and aluminum industries, the automobile industries, etc... There is nothing better than criticism based solely on hindsight. You can never be wrong.
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Darlings of the left didn't support Hitler. They supported Stalin. :p

And your statement only makes sense if you think Hitler didn't say and do things right from the start that indicated he was a madman on racial purity. But he did, and he was criticized for them by the left, while many on the American right admired him specifically for those things. They dismissed those who criticized Hitler as communists.

Your wider point stands of course (it's a platitude after all), but liking Hitler because he was going to put those inferiors in their place and stop the mixing of the race hardly qualifies as an apt example of it.
 
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Kepler said:
Darlings of the left didn't support Hitler. They supported Stalin. :p

And your statement only makes sense if you think Hitler didn't say and do things right from the start that indicated he was a madman on racial purity. But he did, and he was criticized for them by the left, while many on the American right admired him specifically for those things. They dismissed those who criticized Hitler as communists.

Your wider point stands of course (it's a platitude after all), but liking Hitler because he was going to put those inferiors in their place and stop the mixing of the race hardly qualifies as an apt example of it.
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I know I'll never be able to find it now, but didn't JFK do some writings in which he indicated that Hitler was clearly preferable to Stalin?
 
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SJHovey said:
I know I'll never be able to find it now, but didn't JFK do some writings in which he indicated that Hitler was clearly preferable to Stalin?
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That may be (though that would have been after the fact). It wouldn't shock me. JFK was an obsessive anti-communist. One of the wilder conspiracy theories is the CIA had him liquidated because they were afraid we would provoke a nuclear war with the PRC.
 
Kepler said:
That may be (though that would have been after the fact). It wouldn't shock me. JFK was an obsessive anti-communist. One of the wilder conspiracy theories is the CIA had him liquidated because they were afraid we would provoke a nuclear war with the PRC.
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Why England Slept????
 
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SJHovey said:
This is all too funny. Countless thousands or hundreds of thousands of people said and meant complimentary things about Hitler (including darlings of the left) in the early 1930's, and a lot of US companies did business with Germany, including business that undoubtedly assisted in their war effort. IBM, the steel and aluminum industries, the automobile industries, etc... There is nothing better than criticism based solely on hindsight. You can never be wrong.
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90% of the nation was isolationist until the last Zeroes flew away from Pearl Harbor. It wasn't a left/right thing. The United States still would not have gone to war with Germany if Hitler had not declared war on us.
 
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ticapnews said:
The United States still would not have gone to war with Germany if Hitler had not declared war on us.
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Hmm. We might have still had to. Germany as Japan's ally would have interdicted American shipping and forced us to declare war.

We also wanted to make sure there was an American presence in Western Europe when the Soviets started rolling towards Berlin (and Paris?).

But I get what you're saying.
 
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ticapnews said:
90% of the nation was isolationist until the last Zeroes flew away from Pearl Harbor. It wasn't a left/right thing. The United States still would not have gone to war with Germany if Hitler had not declared war on us.
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We were already at war with Germany, FDR just hadn't figured out how to get the formal declaration from Congress.
 
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