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US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

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few hundred more "advisors" into Iraq, Apache Helicopters and mobile rocket launchers go with them
 
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Far right forces Chancellor to resign over opposition to immigration and minority religion. In Austria. I feel I've seen this somewhere before...
 
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Kepler said:
Far right forces Chancellor to resign over opposition to immigration and minority religion. In Austria. I feel I've seen this somewhere before...
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Does anyone else sense a long-term, worldwide story arc (call it the "Post-WWII Peaceful Era") coming to an end here in the next 5-10 years? It just seems like things are going to ****. At home, the Right seems to be fracturing and a portion of it seems to be getting more and more militant. Abroad, you have South America at a tipping point where Venezuela is f*c*k*d and Brazil is trying to play catch-up; Combine that with a massive refugee and terrorism crisis throughout Europe coupled with a potential fracturing of the EU; China is struggling now that their shadow economy has been exposed and is extremely sluggish; China, Japan, and the US are becoming more and more embattled over the South China Sea; Global warming continues to loom and God only knows when we're going to have our next major natural disaster.

I know things are always generally ****ty, but it just feels like things are more ****ty in the last 5-10 years than they have been in the previous 20-50. Am I imagining this?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Does anyone else sense a long-term, worldwide story arc (call it the "Post-WWII Peaceful Era") coming to an end here in the next 5-10 years? It just seems like things are going to ****. At home, the Right seems to be fracturing and a portion of it seems to be getting more and more militant. Abroad, you have South America at a tipping point where Venezuela is f*c*k*d and Brazil is trying to play catch-up; Combine that with a massive refugee and terrorism crisis throughout Europe coupled with a potential fracturing of the EU; China is struggling now that their shadow economy has been exposed and is extremely sluggish; China, Japan, and the US are becoming more and more embattled over the South China Sea; Global warming continues to loom and God only knows when we're going to have our next major natural disaster.

I know things are always generally ****ty, but it just feels like things are more ****ty in the last 5-10 years than they have been in the previous 20-50. Am I imagining this?
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There's a longstanding hypothesis that the really dangerous movements like fascism rise not during the depths of a depression, when there is unity and empathy, but afterwards during the recovery when people on the bottom realize that privileged people have recovered but they haven't. That's when they come to believe the game is rigged: bailouts for the rich, austerity for the poor. Combine that with global dislocations and a refugee crisis and the rise of nationalist / racialist rhetoric is inevitable -- particularly when it is fueled by the rich who are desperate to change the subject. It's always the same targets: liberals, socialists, racial and ethnic minorities, religious minorities, the same old litany.

In the 30s it took half of Europe. Post-WW2 the US stopped it with helicopters dropping money via the Marshall Plan. This time the EU doesn't have the money and the US is plagued by half of its political system being saboteurs, so I guess we'll see. Stock up on antibiotics and girls just in case -- they never lose barter value.
 
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Nationalism (tribalism) knows no borders. Remember "Asia for the Asiatics"? We fought 2 wars (& the French one) over that concept. In the end, who won?

What we're seeing is the rise (again) of that my family before country and my country before others. Mess with that at your own peril.
 
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There's a longstanding hypothesis that the really dangerous movements like fascism rise not during the depths of a depression, when there is unity and empathy, but afterwards during the recovery when people on the bottom realize that privileged people have recovered but they haven't. That's when they come to believe the game is rigged: bailouts for the rich, austerity for the poor. Combine that with global dislocations and a refugee crisis and the rise of nationalist / racialist rhetoric is inevitable -- particularly when it is fueled by the rich who are desperate to change the subject. It's always the same targets: liberals, socialists, racial and ethnic minorities, religious minorities, the same old litany.

In the 30s it took half of Europe. Post-WW2 the US stopped it with helicopters dropping money via the Marshall Plan. This time the EU doesn't have the money and the US is plagued by half of its political system being saboteurs, so I guess we'll see. Stock up on antibiotics and girls just in case -- they never lose barter value.
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Half? What a joke
 
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Half? What a joke
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I'm not talking about the invasions, just who came to power domestically.

Half. Germany, Italy and Spain adopted fascist governments. England, France, the low countries, and Poland still had liberal states. I'm not sure Slavic Europe was really part of the European system until post-WW2, but if you want to count them Russia was an authoritarian non-fascist states and the other Slavic countries were proto-western liberal, though haltingly.

All of the non-fascist countries except England had fascist-leaning parties contest in their elections. I'm sure hundreds of dissertations have been written on why the fascists were successful in some place but not others.

Edit: Oh god, you mean the other "half."

Ha! When the Dems stop the government and threaten default get back to me. One party has been the big problem for the last 16 years. They wrecked the economy and the international balance of power and now they prevent anybody from doing anything about it. They are kindergartners drooling at the big people table.
 
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There's a longstanding hypothesis that the really dangerous movements like fascism rise not during the depths of a depression, when there is unity and empathy, but afterwards during the recovery when people on the bottom realize that privileged people have recovered but they haven't. That's when they come to believe the game is rigged: bailouts for the rich, austerity for the poor. Combine that with global dislocations and a refugee crisis and the rise of nationalist / racialist rhetoric is inevitable -- particularly when it is fueled by the rich who are desperate to change the subject. It's always the same targets: liberals, socialists, racial and ethnic minorities, religious minorities, the same old litany.

In the 30s it took half of Europe. Post-WW2 the US stopped it with helicopters dropping money via the Marshall Plan. This time the EU doesn't have the money and the US is plagued by half of its political system being saboteurs, so I guess we'll see. Stock up on antibiotics and girls just in case -- they never lose barter value.
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white people have more in common with colored people than with rich people.
 
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white people have more in common with colored people than with rich people.
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But it only matters if they realize it. Racial rivalries are often exacerbated by rich people to divide poor people so they don't focus on the real problem.

Make poor people fight over crumbs instead of thinking, "hey -- in such a rich country, why do we only have crumbs?"
 
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Kepler said:
But it only matters if they realize it. Racial rivalries are often exacerbated by rich people to divide poor people so they don't focus on the real problem.

Make poor people fight over crumbs instead of thinking, "hey -- in such a rich country, why do we only have crumbs?"
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Or this
 
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