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US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

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I can tell the two of you are office working professionals…

In the sense that you two of you would be able to avoid the “crazies” on the left (who really aren’t that crazy and to compare them to MAGAts is disingenuous).
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Hey now, I’m unemployed!

In all seriousness, I get your point. It was just an observation I made and I thought it was interesting.
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It was (mostly) made in jest. I am one of those “crazy” lefties but I don’t have the “Israel = bad, Palestine = good” stance and that definitely puts me in the minority.
 
Jimjamesak said:
You need to get out more because there’s plenty of “stand with Palestine no matter what” idiots out there.
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I have never met one in the wild and I traffic in a lot of Leftist circles. If you go on reddit you'll see them on Leftist sites, but they are typically voted down by enormous ratios (gay rights almost always is inserted into the conversation as soon as somebody defends Islamic paramilitary organizations) unless they have hijacked the sub. There are always a bunch of them at protests in major cities. And of course there are tons of anti-Israel Muslims who aren't Leftist at all; they'd just as soon see Leftists and even Liberals suck it as Jews. If anything they are ultra-conservative, just with a desert theme rather than the holler.

So while kneejerk anti-Israel Leftists do exist after Sophomore year of college, IMO there are few loud morons who attract a lot of attention with their insufferableness. As opposed to the MAGAts, who had the White House and can stop the USG from functioning.

The Far Left is, as a rule, highly sophisticated and (over) educated, and nuanced in our thinking. It is indeed one of our chief barriers to entry in mainstream politics. We're talking about post-grad level analyses while elections are won by the more compelling grade school argument.

tldr: there a few raisins like this in our pudding, but on the Far Right the entire punch bowl is liquified turd.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
I can tell the two of you are office working professionals.

In the sense that you two of you would be able to avoid the "crazies" on the left (who really aren't that crazy and to compare them to MAGAts is disingenuous).
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There are plenty of legit leftists in my wife's social circle, whom I do not consider MAGA-level. Just because they enjoy brunch doesn't make them milquetoast liberals. I have never heard a 100% pro-Palestine opinion expressed by any of them. The one who probably does have that opinion is an airhead, and in fact my wife and her are no longer friends because of it.
 
Yeah, anecdotes and all but I've seen a lot of "F israel, I'm with Palestine on this" posts from my far-left friends on FB and IG. I think they're as ignorantly wrongheaded as chuck and the GQP are with their idiotic "it's Biden's fault" nonsense.
 
I think age is a determining factor here. The pro-Palestine lefty skews younger and they’re not a small minority.

Race is likely also determining factor (plenty of black leftists are pro-Palestine).
 
Jimjamesak said:
I think age is a determining factor here. The pro-Palestine lefty skews younger and they’re not a small minority.

Race is likely also determining factor (plenty of black leftists are pro-Palestine).
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That may very well be the case. I don't hang with anyone under 30 these days (i.e., Zoomers).
 
One can be pro-Palestine, but against Hamas, right?

Just like we can feel sorry for the people of Israel who were attacked, but still think Bibi is an authoritative a**hole, right?
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
At least we have some actual adults in the room in this administration. We’re not sending Jared
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LOeffingL ... at, not with you

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spence...-down-n2629565

Babylon Bee | Emperor Hirohito Calls For Ceasefire After Bombing Of Pearl Harbor


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aparch said:
One can be pro-Palestine, but against Hamas, right?

Just like we can feel sorry for the people of Israel who were attacked, but still think Bibi is an authoritative a**hole, right?
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I think most sensible people know the truth lies somewhere in the middle for this situation.

Personally, I say give people six months to evacuate then nuke the place and make it uninhabitable for several generations.
 
aparch said:
One can be pro-Palestine, but against Hamas, right?

Just like we can feel sorry for the people of Israel who were attacked, but still think Bibi is an authoritative a**hole, right?
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That’s the idea
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Rachel bitrcofer says gen z and millennials have been brainwashed to think Palestinians are victims.

not her best take
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If you read some of the things they are saying you might not be so hard on her. Last night even on Threads there was a lot of "they deserved it" or "Good" type sentiments. There are some definitely brainwashed to believe Israel is the great evil that caused all the issues in the ME because they haven't actually done any real research. To listen to some of them we White People deserve to be killed for how Blacks and Natives were treated in the past.

I of course have Jewish friends with equally awful takes who I won't talk to for the time being...bunch of bloodthirsty frauds. What gets lost in all of this is that you can say both "Israel has been a bad actor for quite a while and has committed atrocities" AND Hamas is a group of terrorists that are nothing but vile thugs looking to kill. Israel itself isn't innocent but they definetly don't deserve this any more than we deserved 9/11.

Indiscriminate killing of innocents, no matter who they are, is never acceptable. I am disgusted that innocent Palestinians are going to die because of terrorists. Israel has been vile for 2 decades and deserve all the criticism they get but this wasnt a military outpost it was a friggin concert in a field and old people who were no threat. This was cowardice.

(this post is not directed at you personally obviously)
 
Russell Jaslow said:
Not to sound like a conspiracy theorists, but I've wondered since day one whether Bibi knew and was purposely ignoring it. Kind of like the theories we knew about Pearl Harbor, and let it happen in order to get the public behind entering WWII. Bibi, in the long run, can now try to implement even more right wing abusive policies. At least he thinks that. I think the Israelis will hold him accountable, based on passed history, like the one example I mentioned.
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I said this exact thing (with Pearl Harbor reference) to My SO after it broke. I doubt it mind you but...
 
Jimjamesak said:
It was (mostly) made in jest. I am one of those “crazy” lefties but I don’t have the “Israel = bad, Palestine = good” stance and that definitely puts me in the minority.
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I get called Antisemitic because I dare rip Israel for acting like Apartheid South Africa...and I get called a Faux Liberal because I dare put blame on Palestinians. (They elected terrorists and they balked at every 2 state solution going back to '48) Hell it's happened on the same page in a thread on this site!

I take it as a compliment because it means I understand the grey mess this whole situation is.
 
Handyman said:
I get called Antisemitic because I dare rip Israel for acting like Apartheid South Africa...and I get called a Faux Liberal because I dare put blame on Palestinians. (They elected terrorists and they balked at every 2 state solution going back to '48) Hell it's happened on the same page in a thread on this site!

I take it as a compliment because it means I understand the grey mess this whole situation is.
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Sounds like we are in similar situations. My wife gets irritated that I don’t say much about it and the truth is I don’t agree with anyone around me about it.
 
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