What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Dirty said:
I believe you mean former rivalry. A rivalry requires two evenly matched teams.
Click to expand...

It's a very good thing Minnesota has an overwhelming winning record against UND, otherwise your head would get rather too large, and possibly explode.
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Happy said:
It's a very good thing Minnesota has an overwhelming winning record against UND, otherwise your head would get rather too large, and possibly explode.
Click to expand...

Overwhelming?
Isn't it like eight games (and closing) or something now?
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Happy said:
It's a very good thing Minnesota has an overwhelming winning record against UND, otherwise your head would get rather too large, and possibly explode.
Click to expand...

"THE ALL-TIME SERIES: UND trails the all-time series 125-131-14 (.489) but is 67-53-8 (.555) all-time against the Gophers on home ice."

http://www.fightingsioux.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=204905008

After the playoff series, and this is for you Happy since you seem to lack confidence with numbers, UND trails the all-time series 127-132-14 and is 69-54-8 on home ice.

UND could have easily closed to within one game of tying the all-time series had they met UM both home and away this up coming season.

Stand by for head explosions.
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

burd said:
Looks like of the 5 Minnesota kids who are not already playing college hockey (Budish), 3 are going to UND, one to UMD, and only one to UMTC. I realize Bjugstad may be considered the pick of the Minn litter, but that seems a little surprising.
Click to expand...

I think the Nelson/Bjugstad comparison might be fun to watch this upcoming season. The Gophers probably need Bjugstad to score more than UND needs Nelson to score, but that will be fun to watch throughout the season.

cross cheque said:
"THE ALL-TIME SERIES: UND trails the all-time series 125-131-14 (.489) but is 67-53-8 (.555) all-time against the Gophers on home ice."

http://www.fightingsioux.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=204905008

After the playoff series, and this is for you Happy since you seem to lack confidence with numbers, UND trails the all-time series 127-132-14 and is 69-54-8 on home ice.
Click to expand...

I believe the Gopher numbers differ from the UND numbers by three games (not sure if three is correct?). The Gophers count some early games against UND before the Sioux were an actual program (exhibitions).
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Happy said:
It's a very good thing Minnesota has an overwhelming winning record against UND, otherwise your head would get rather too large, and possibly explode.
Click to expand...

Hang on to that as long as you can happy.... it's the last major stat the goofs have over North Dakota and remember it's not the most important one....:D
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

willythekid said:
Hang on to that as long as you can happy.... it's the last major stat the goofs have over North Dakota and remember it's not the most important one....:D
Click to expand...

1-0

you know, Minnesota's record against UND in National Championships games. So, head's up, Mn is clearly better. Just because UND usually plays more cupcakes the rest of the time, head's up, MN is better.
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Happy said:
1-0

you know, Minnesota's record against UND in National Championships games. So, head's up, Mn is clearly better. Just because UND usually plays more cupcakes the rest of the time, head's up, MN is better.
Click to expand...

We played a real soft and icing laden cupcake first round of the playoffs this year.

I can't wait to see the empty seats at the mooch this year, ticket fire sales every Thursday.
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

brianvf said:
I believe the Gopher numbers differ from the UND numbers by three games (not sure if three is correct?). The Gophers count some early games against UND before the Sioux were an actual program (exhibitions).
Click to expand...

It's more complicated than that.

Last year's UND media guide had MN leading the all-time series 130-124-12. After the regular season series, it was 131-125-14. At the same time, MN's own records showed them leading 138-125-14, a 7 game lead.

UND went 2-1 in the playoffs against Minnesota, meaning that MN's records probably show them still leading 139-127-14 while UND's presumably show 132-127-14.

In other words, MN counts 7 more wins against UND than the Sioux recognize.

I wrote to UND's SID about this last January but did not receive a response.

5 of the 7 games came in 1930 and 1933, before UND even had a team. These are the "club" team games everyone refers to. You'll never get MN to stop recognizing those games, since they still count victories against the Hibbing Boy Scouts and the Chippewa Falls VFW club in their overall record. We'll just have to agree to disagree on those.

On the other two, we don't have much to argue about.

The first is just an adding error. Last year's UND guide listed the scores of 131 separate games won by Minnesota, but at the top of the column they just list the total as 130. I added them two or three times, and it's clear there is just an adding error.

The other is a win in October of 1978 by MN over UND in the Hall of Fame game. I don't know why we don't recognize that one. We don't list the game as an exhibition. Furthermore, we've counted the other wins and losses from the Hall of Fame game in our overall records, so it seems inconsistent to me.
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

SJHovey said:
5 of the 7 games came in 1930 and 1933, before UND even had a team. These are the "club" team games everyone refers to. You'll never get MN to stop recognizing those games, since they still count victories against the Hibbing Boy Scouts and the Chippewa Falls VFW club in their overall record. We'll just have to agree to disagree on those.
Click to expand...

This a problem for all schools fielding teams prior to the 1960s, when college hockey became more organized. Denver has many '50s and early 60s games vs the "Hilltoppers" (their own freshmen) as well as tons of junior teams, club teams, Canadian University teams and International teams, which all counted in the overall records, back before the days of uniform schedules and the cutbacks in games against teams not from the NCAA. It would be interesting to see if there was ever a consensus to draw a line somewhere after the fact about what games count and what games don't. All kinds of records and stats would chage overnight...:eek:
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

brianvf said:
Overwhelming?
Isn't it like eight games (and closing) or something now?
Click to expand...
It's about 50-50, which is what one would expect in H2H meetings between two powerful programs over a long period of time.

FTR, my preference is to see both teams be good simultaneously as it leads to far more memorable matchups - whether or not they turn out well for MN. While any idiot can laugh at a rival when their team is terrible or mediocre, it's difficult to care quite as much about the games when you know the opponent is putting a steaming pile of crap on the ice.
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Q&A with Sioux recruit Nick Mattson:

http://www.areavoices.com/undhockey/?blog=84264

Q. How do you feel about going back to Indiana for another year?
NICK MATTSON: At first, I was a little disappointed because the plan was to come this year for so long. But a lot of good things can come from it. I didn't have as good of a year as I wanted to (last season). I can go back, step into a bigger leadership role and be a bigger-role guy. If you go with a whiny attitude, it won't be good. But if you go with a good attitude, if you get ready to take on the world, a lot of good can come from it.

Q. Considering UND's depth on defense, is it better for you to play one more year in juniors?
NICK MATTSON: I was never going to say that I'm coming up there no matter what. I know, for me, I'm not going to get much out of sitting in the stands every night. You have to be realistic. I could go sit in the stands or I could go back, take on a larger role and hopefully keep developing. It's a no-brainer. If you can't see that....

Q. How different was the USHL from the Ann Arbor program?
NICK MATTSON: It's a lot different lifestyle. In Ann Arbor, pretty much your whole life is planned for you. In the USHL, you are a lot more on your own. You make decisions for yourself and you are a lot more independent... which can be bad at times because I always feel like staying up late and playing Mario Kart.

Q. That late night Mario Kart might come in handy. A lot of the players on the current team are big into it.
NICK MATTSON: Really? That's good to hear.
Click to expand...
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Nick sounds like a good kid and I'm sure he was excited about the possibility of coming in this year. It sounds like he's keeping his chin up on the issue and obviously sees a great opportunity next year as the Sioux turn over much of their d-corps.
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Bakunin said:
While any idiot can laugh at a rival when their team is terrible or mediocre, it's difficult to care quite as much about the games when you know the opponent is putting a steaming pile of crap on the ice.
Click to expand...

Minnesota isn't that bad. The Gophers have a pretty good class coming in to go with some experienced players. I think UMN fans are kind of sand bagging a bit.
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Goon said:
Minnesota isn't that bad. The Gophers have a pretty good class coming in to go with some experienced players. I think UMN fans are kind of sand bagging a bit.
Click to expand...

Yeah, that's what we said last year.......and the year before........and the year before that.

I suppose you could say that about any WCHA team floating in the 4-7 spot the last few years.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

Game 1 against Sweden underway right now.
The US is leading 4-1 in the 2nd period.

The 2nd US goal?
A PPG scored by Derek Forbort, with one assist to Brock Nelson. :)
Hopefully we see that scoring line a lot this upcoming season.

Campbell is starting the game in net, while Gothberg was scratched. Hopefully Zane will get a starting shot against Finland.
 
Re: University of North Dakota - Offseason Thread 2010

brianvf said:
Game 1 against Sweden underway right now.
The US is leading 4-1 in the 2nd period.

The 2nd US goal?
A PPG scored by Derek Forbort, with one assist to Brock Nelson. :)
Hopefully we see that scoring line a lot this upcoming season.

Campbell is starting the game in net, while Gothberg was scratched. Hopefully Zane will get a starting shot against Finland.
Click to expand...

Also Brock Nelson got the empty net goal at end of 3rd period.:)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top