Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
Wobegoners and Nodaks in an argument about cool.
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University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
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Flashy Man
Misfit Emeritus
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
According to twitter Grimaldi is going with "The Dub."
According to twitter Grimaldi is going with "The Dub."
MissSioux85
Registered User
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
For those who may not have already seen the update to this, Grimaldi is NOT going to 'The Dub'. It was a play on words. He was actually talking about a Volkswagon car he just purchased.
He tweeted:
For those who may not have already seen the update to this, Grimaldi is NOT going to 'The Dub'. It was a play on words. He was actually talking about a Volkswagon car he just purchased.
He tweeted:
@RGrimaldi23 Me and The Dub. I'm excited to get it out on the road. Like my hat#TheDub http://t.co/mAAxZ22
Flashy Man
Misfit Emeritus
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
How exactly has the legislature "screwed" UND?
This is going down exactly as I predicted to you in the Notre Dame thread. The NCAA declined to change their mind and the North Dakota officials announced they will repeal the law. That will happen in November and we'll be right back to where we were after the original case was settled.
The "sanctions" you refer to are the inability to use or display the nickname or logo during NCAA tournament events.
So, between now and November exactly what events will those be? And even if we can't display them, we're now "screwed"? You think UND hasn't made plans to have generic "UND" or "North Dakota" athletic wear available for it's athletes?
See, the sanctions in this case have also always been the result: Can't use the name or logo. Now, if the NCAA had said you have to retire the name by August 15 or you face a two year ban on tournament participation, lose scholarships, or similar real "sanctions", then I would agree that the passage of the law and the delay in retiring the name would have harmed the University. But under the current "sanctions" imposed by the NCAA, no harm to us at all.
And your statement about the "inevitability" of "racial slurs, discrimination and violence against Native Americans", "turning ugly over the next few months" shows how terribly ignorant you really are of North Dakota, the opinions or feelings of those in the state, or how they will react to this.
What, you expect a reprise of 1862 Mankato?
There will obviously be alumni and citizens of North Dakota sad and unhappy with the need to drop the nickname. If you think that translates into people going out and and engaging in violence against native americans, wow.
In fact, I suspect most people in the state hold most, if not all, of their anger and frustration over this issue against the NCAA and not native americans, many of whom openly support the nickname or wear the logo.
Just being silly again Harley.
How exactly has the legislature "screwed" UND?
This is going down exactly as I predicted to you in the Notre Dame thread. The NCAA declined to change their mind and the North Dakota officials announced they will repeal the law. That will happen in November and we'll be right back to where we were after the original case was settled.
The "sanctions" you refer to are the inability to use or display the nickname or logo during NCAA tournament events.
So, between now and November exactly what events will those be? And even if we can't display them, we're now "screwed"? You think UND hasn't made plans to have generic "UND" or "North Dakota" athletic wear available for it's athletes?
See, the sanctions in this case have also always been the result: Can't use the name or logo. Now, if the NCAA had said you have to retire the name by August 15 or you face a two year ban on tournament participation, lose scholarships, or similar real "sanctions", then I would agree that the passage of the law and the delay in retiring the name would have harmed the University. But under the current "sanctions" imposed by the NCAA, no harm to us at all.
And your statement about the "inevitability" of "racial slurs, discrimination and violence against Native Americans", "turning ugly over the next few months" shows how terribly ignorant you really are of North Dakota, the opinions or feelings of those in the state, or how they will react to this.
What, you expect a reprise of 1862 Mankato?
There will obviously be alumni and citizens of North Dakota sad and unhappy with the need to drop the nickname. If you think that translates into people going out and and engaging in violence against native americans, wow.
In fact, I suspect most people in the state hold most, if not all, of their anger and frustration over this issue against the NCAA and not native americans, many of whom openly support the nickname or wear the logo.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
I'm upset with the NCAA. They've trivialized a soverign nation, namely the Spirit Lake Sioux Nation.
The NCAA sided with the Florida Seminole Nation, the Utah Ute Nation, and a Chippewa nation in Michigan. But they disregarded the desires of the Spirit Lake Sioux Nation. Actually, they disregared Spirit Lake and decided that Standing Rock Sioux Nation is more important than Spirit Lake.
So in the NCAA's eyes, everyone else in this discussion is more important than Spirit Lake. They've disregarded Spirit Lake's soverign opinion in the matter.
If undercutting Spirit Lake's soverign authority and opinion on issues was the NCAA's goal, they've achieved it. This will come back to haunt Spirit Lake at some point down the road. Someone else will use this as precedence to ignore them in the future. Nice work NCAA.
I'm upset with the NCAA. They've trivialized a soverign nation, namely the Spirit Lake Sioux Nation.
The NCAA sided with the Florida Seminole Nation, the Utah Ute Nation, and a Chippewa nation in Michigan. But they disregarded the desires of the Spirit Lake Sioux Nation. Actually, they disregared Spirit Lake and decided that Standing Rock Sioux Nation is more important than Spirit Lake.
So in the NCAA's eyes, everyone else in this discussion is more important than Spirit Lake. They've disregarded Spirit Lake's soverign opinion in the matter.
If undercutting Spirit Lake's soverign authority and opinion on issues was the NCAA's goal, they've achieved it. This will come back to haunt Spirit Lake at some point down the road. Someone else will use this as precedence to ignore them in the future. Nice work NCAA.
UMDSimmerdown
Getting bad rep since 1984
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
I will once again throw my idea out there that the easiest fix to this situation is to change the nickname to the Fighting Spirit. Keep the logo, you have the permission from the Spirit Lake Tribe. It's a good compromise that the NCAA can't disagree to. Any arguments that "Fighting Spirit" sounds like a little league team name will be kept in the dark when people realize they're making fun of an American Indian tribe. At least this way the logo stays (one of the coolest logos in the NCAA IMHO) and the transition is minor.
I will once again throw my idea out there that the easiest fix to this situation is to change the nickname to the Fighting Spirit. Keep the logo, you have the permission from the Spirit Lake Tribe. It's a good compromise that the NCAA can't disagree to. Any arguments that "Fighting Spirit" sounds like a little league team name will be kept in the dark when people realize they're making fun of an American Indian tribe. At least this way the logo stays (one of the coolest logos in the NCAA IMHO) and the transition is minor.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
Too bad they didn't suggest this to the NCAA before signing an agreement to abandon the Sioux name and imagery.
HarleyMC
Registered User
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
Yeah, we all know how classy adult UND fans can be when they lose
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Yeah, we all know how classy adult UND fans can be when they lose
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Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
That's it? To defend your claim North Dakotans are going to go out and commit violence and discrimination against native americans you have a video of a fan flipping someone off?Yeah, we all know how classy adult UND fans can be when they lose
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Or a lawyer with the caption "Fight 'N Sue."
FWIW There is no truth to the rumor that Lake State will change their nickname to the "Fighting Soo."
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
http://plainsdaily.com/entry/the-next-little-big-horn-black-cloud-says-ncaas-actions-discriminatory-against-spirit-lake-sioux/
Black Cloud is unhappy with the NCAA
http://plainsdaily.com/entry/the-next-little-big-horn-black-cloud-says-ncaas-actions-discriminatory-against-spirit-lake-sioux/
Black Cloud is unhappy with the NCAA
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
Black Cloud was right when he said they should have been included in talks all along. It shouldn't be a NCAA-UND issue, it should be a UND-tribal issue handled by those 2 parties.
Black Cloud was right when he said they should have been included in talks all along. It shouldn't be a NCAA-UND issue, it should be a UND-tribal issue handled by those 2 parties.
HarleyMC
Registered User
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
You forgot to include "racial slurs". The null hypothesis has already been rejected. Since you have a presumptuous habit of personifying all North Dakotans, you should know what that means.
You forgot to include "racial slurs". The null hypothesis has already been rejected. Since you have a presumptuous habit of personifying all North Dakotans, you should know what that means.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
Does every sioux in the world have to say yes or does just one tribe have to approve? Did all seminole tribes approve of FSU? Why stop there...maybe the vote of the tribes needs to be unanimous?
HarleyMC
Registered User
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
No, just the two tribes mandated by the contract agreement and judgment reached in the 2007 lawsuit settlement between the SBOE and the NCAA. Keep in mind, the settlement agreement of 2007 was merged into a judgment and is not a separate contract, therefore any litigation is ineffectual. Moreover, the Order stipulates that both the State and SBOE relinquished their right to litigation, including filing a Federal antitrust suit. However, Bill 1263 mandates the Fighting Sioux nickname be retained by UND and gives statutory authority to the Attorney General to file an antitrust suit against the NCAA for any such attempt to remove it. This of course is direct violation of the 2007 judgment which was affirmed by the North Dakota Supreme Court in 2009 and essentially usurps the constitutional and statutory authority given to the SBOE to retire the nickname by Nov. 30, 2010. This kind of political intrigue is in direct contravention of the 2007 judgment and is one of the reasons why the Governor, AG, SBOE, UND and the State of North Dakota are currently being sued.
No, just the two tribes mandated by the contract agreement and judgment reached in the 2007 lawsuit settlement between the SBOE and the NCAA. Keep in mind, the settlement agreement of 2007 was merged into a judgment and is not a separate contract, therefore any litigation is ineffectual. Moreover, the Order stipulates that both the State and SBOE relinquished their right to litigation, including filing a Federal antitrust suit. However, Bill 1263 mandates the Fighting Sioux nickname be retained by UND and gives statutory authority to the Attorney General to file an antitrust suit against the NCAA for any such attempt to remove it. This of course is direct violation of the 2007 judgment which was affirmed by the North Dakota Supreme Court in 2009 and essentially usurps the constitutional and statutory authority given to the SBOE to retire the nickname by Nov. 30, 2010. This kind of political intrigue is in direct contravention of the 2007 judgment and is one of the reasons why the Governor, AG, SBOE, UND and the State of North Dakota are currently being sued.
Re: University of North Dakota Hockey: 2011-2012
I believe the Seminole tribe did approve of FSU using the mascot.
I believe the Seminole tribe did approve of FSU using the mascot.