Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic City!

[Ralph Baer]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

We all talk about the refs and training and best technology avaiable. Some of these guys if you go to the ECAC website and look them up are very acchmoplished. They should have no problem working this level of hockey from what there bio's say. Come on Feola worked the god dam olympics for christ sake. There should be no problems in these games for some of these guys. There are some that are very good and do a good job. I feel that sat night was a fair contest, friday on the other hand is a tough pill to swallow. Union fans if there is a way to get a tape of the game on sat should look at those two calls. Both dangerous, both needed to be called, doesnt matter who commited the foul. If it was the other way and RPI took the penalty, it needed to be called. I hope both teams do well and that the NCAA touniment has more than three ECAC teams going. That would be amazing.

The complete Saturday game is online at RPI TV as well as short files with the tying and winning goals http://www.rpitv.org/productions/339-mens-hockey-vs-union.

 

[hockeyguy]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

perfect. thank you

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

We all talk about the refs and training and best technology avaiable. Some of these guys if you go to the ECAC website and look them up are very acchmoplished. They should have no problem working this level of hockey from what there bio's say. Come on Feola worked the god dam olympics for christ sake. There should be no problems in these games for some of these guys. There are some that are very good and do a good job. I feel that sat night was a fair contest, friday on the other hand is a tough pill to swallow. Union fans if there is a way to get a tape of the game on sat should look at those two calls. Both dangerous, both needed to be called, doesnt matter who commited the foul. If it was the other way and RPI took the penalty, it needed to be called. I hope both teams do well and that the NCAA touniment has more than three ECAC teams going. That would be amazing.

The game is available on RPI-TV's website: www.rpitv.org

Obviously these guys are accomplished, and I'd say most (if not all) of them have a number of years of hockey experience each. Always remember, though, that there is human error, especially with the game moving so quickly (quicker than football, basketball, most of the other sports), and these guys have to make split second decisions. It's not always going to be right, and sometimes we can make their environment very hostile.

It would be nice if both of us (probably along with Yale given their status) make it to the tournament.

 

[OsecnUC]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

Obviously these guys are accomplished, and I'd say most (if not all) of them have a number of years of hockey experience each. Always remember, though, that there is human error, especially with the game moving so quickly (quicker than football, basketball, most of the other sports), and these guys have to make split second decisions. It's not always going to be right, and sometimes we can make their environment very hostile.

Yep.
I don't see the need to cry about their decisions, claim conspiracy, or try to show them up by pulling out video tapes right after a game. All show close mindedness and a lack of class. The refs do their best each game, each call. It is a human factor of the game, and part of what makes the game great. Athletes, at all levels, will make mistakes and so will refs. Sometimes it works to your team's advantage and sometimes against.

 

[Wholin1]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

Add in the fact that these guys are skating at what I consider a creditable pace and if I'm not mistaken, they don't have subs jumping over the boards to sub for them every 30 or so seconds. I hope I'm not guilty of starting a zebra love fest, heaven forbid.

Getting back to the games this weekend, RPI would never have had a chance to "score" Friday night had the Union player, and I'm not sure who it was, not attempted an ill advised long distance clear / ENG shot which resulted in the icing faceoff in their D Zone. Also, on Saturday night and just before the tieing goal, a key faceoff was called for just outside the RPI blue line for what I though might have been a Union hand pass. Did anyone catch that and is my recall correct? I don't have the time or stomach to watch the RPI TV recording.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

Add in the fact that these guys are skating at what I consider a creditable pace and if I'm not mistaken, they don't have subs jumping over the boards to sub for them every 30 or so seconds. I hope I'm not guilty of starting a zebra love fest, heaven forbid.

Getting back to the games this weekend, RPI would never have had a chance to "score" Friday night had the Union player, and I'm not sure who it was, not attempted an ill advised long distance clear / ENG shot which resulted in the icing faceoff in their D Zone. Also, on Saturday night and just before the tieing goal, a key faceoff was called for just outside the RPI blue line for what I though might have been a Union hand pass. Did anyone catch that and is my recall correct? I don't have the time or stomach to watch the RPI TV recording.

Saturday night, we had started up from behind our goal line with about 25 seconds remaining, and the play was continuous until 00.2. Yes, there was a hand pass, but your team had iced the puck (which, on the PK, you're allowed to do) on the ensuing faceoff.

Sometimes we play short shift, and sometimes we play minute-long. One thing's for certain, though, is that our players are very well conditioned, better than I've seen since I started following RPI hockey back in 2004.

As for the "zebra love fest", some of us are so apathetic to the refs hosing us (because it seems to happen all too often), that we are just prone to expecting it.

 

[Wholin1]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

The Route 7 rivalry gets some national attention.
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2010/11/16_capital_power.php

 

[OsecnUC]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

Some interesting comments from Nate and Seth in the ECAC blog. Over the years the Troy faithful have many times down-played the rivalry between the schools, chiming in that it is Clarkson they really care about. Over the last 5 years or so, this has waned a bit, most likely due to the fact that Nate has done such a great job improving the program added to the fact that U has the advantage in play during this time period. This substantiates that U is THE rival of RPI


“I think we, as a staff, we have acknowledged that Union is our biggest rival. I know our people throughout history — with our program — would say Clarkson, and things like that, but, you know, Union is our rival. Clarkson’s a good team and an important game, but in our mind — in our players’ minds, and in our coaches’ minds — Union is our biggest rival, and it’s really not close,” emphasized Appert.

Guess the proof's in the pudding.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

Some interesting comments from Nate and Seth in the ECAC blog. Over the years the Troy faithful have many times down-played the rivalry between the schools, chiming in that it is Clarkson they really care about. Over the last 5 years or so, this has waned a bit, most likely due to the fact that Nate has done such a great job improving the program added to the fact that U has the advantage in play during this time period. This substantiates that U is THE rival of RPI


“I think we, as a staff, we have acknowledged that Union is our biggest rival. I know our people throughout history — with our program — would say Clarkson, and things like that, but, you know, Union is our rival. Clarkson’s a good team and an important game, but in our mind — in our players’ minds, and in our coaches’ minds — Union is our biggest rival, and it’s really not close,” emphasized Appert.

Guess the proof's in the pudding.

Obviously many of the RPI fans will still consider CCT the real rival, and after their actions October 30th, I'm still under that mindset. However, one thing I think would be very entertaining is a Leaman/Appert barfight. After the comments in the press after each game, it's safe to say that, between those two teams, it's on. I'd say there's no doubt about the feeling of the players and the coaches.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

Some interesting comments from Nate and Seth in the ECAC blog. Over the years the Troy faithful have many times down-played the rivalry between the schools, chiming in that it is Clarkson they really care about. Over the last 5 years or so, this has waned a bit, most likely due to the fact that Nate has done such a great job improving the program added to the fact that U has the advantage in play during this time period. This substantiates that U is THE rival of RPI


“I think we, as a staff, we have acknowledged that Union is our biggest rival. I know our people throughout history — with our program — would say Clarkson, and things like that, but, you know, Union is our rival. Clarkson’s a good team and an important game, but in our mind — in our players’ minds, and in our coaches’ minds — Union is our biggest rival, and it’s really not close,” emphasized Appert.

Guess the proof's in the pudding.

The main reason many RPI fans (and posters) have viewed CCT as the chief rival is because of the natural academic rivalry that two in-state/regional engineering schools have. Add in Clarkson's powerhouse puck teams of the '90s and its no wonder why it has historically been a rivalry.

That said, anyone who witnessed this year's RPI/U games understands that an intense rivalry exists. I think that as programs ebb and flow, the rivalries do as well. I've been a rabid fan of RPI since the 80's and I actually view Cornell as my most hated team.

All of this of course ignores the obvious box office advances both schools are enjoying thanks to this natural crosstown rivalry. Its great for the teams and the league. The way both teams are playing, ECAC squads will not be relishing their trips to the C.D. this year.

 

[ADK11]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

IMO the main reason the rivalry has ratcheted up is that (finally) both teams are fighting for a top finish in the league and not just local bragging rights. For most of the first 15 years of U's D-1 existence, they just haven't been able to fulfill their half of the bargain. As a result, RPI mostly looked at the games expecting to win and hoping they wouldn't suffer an embarrassing loss to an inferior opponent. U on the other hand, would take the games very seriously and play extra to hard to salvage some respect from a season that all to often was going down the tubes. This started to change 4-5 years ago when RPI took a serious talent dip and U started to get better. Is nice to see both programs on the upswing and hopefully fighting for top 4 in the league, PWR points, etc. And, yes, from what I saw this weekend, the other teams in the league should be wary coming to the Capital District.

 

[Wholin1]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

It's not unusual for there to be a disconnect in rivalry perception, is it? Example: RPI according to Wicked has long considered Clarkson to be their arch rival whereas I would have to guess that Clarkson would consider SLU to be theirs. In any event, if there is a rivalry at the moment more intense than U / RPI in the ECAC, I'd like to know. Well OK maybe on paper, Yale / Harvard but do either of their respective communities really care? Yale / Princeton? I think not, and so on down the line.

No one escaped unscathed this weekend, teams, coaches, referees, timekeepers or fans. I think it took its toll on everyone, but wasn't it awesome? I do think that both CD programs cannot but help each other once they've shifted their focus to external forces. It's been talked about at least potentially but it looks like it may now be the real deal. Fear the CD.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

It's not unusual for there to be a disconnect in rivalry perception, is it? Example: RPI according to Wicked has long considered Clarkson to be their arch rival whereas I would have to guess that Clarkson would consider SLU to be theirs. In any event, if there is a rivalry at the moment more intense than U / RPI in the ECAC, I'd like to know. Well OK maybe on paper, Yale / Harvard but do either of their respective communities really care? Yale / Princeton? I think not, and so on down the line.

No one escaped unscathed this weekend, teams, coaches, referees, timekeepers or fans. I think it took its toll on everyone, but wasn't it awesome? I do think that both CD programs cannot but help each other once they've shifted their focus to external forces. It's been talked about at least potentially but it looks like it may now be the real deal. Fear the CD.

Most Clarkson fans consider SLU as their primary rival, but some consider RPI as such.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

It's not unusual for there to be a disconnect in rivalry perception, is it? Example: RPI according to Wicked has long considered Clarkson to be their arch rival whereas I would have to guess that Clarkson would consider SLU to be theirs. In any event, if there is a rivalry at the moment more intense than U / RPI in the ECAC, I'd like to know. Well OK maybe on paper, Yale / Harvard but do either of their respective communities really care? Yale / Princeton? I think not, and so on down the line.

No one escaped unscathed this weekend, teams, coaches, referees, timekeepers or fans. I think it took its toll on everyone, but wasn't it awesome? I do think that both CD programs cannot but help each other once they've shifted their focus to external forces. It's been talked about at least potentially but it looks like it may now be the real deal. Fear the CD.

How about Harvard/Cornell? Maybe Cornell/Colgate?

 

[Wholin1]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

How about Harvard/Cornell? Maybe Cornell/Colgate?

I didn't mean to be inclusive in my list, but if those rivalries reach the level of interest and emotion as we saw this weekend, so much the better.

 

[SlyFoxMan7]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

hmm well if it's true that the red light can't go on if time has expired then i suppose i feel slightly less devastated about the loss. still need video replay though.

I know this is old news now but it looks like the red light actually did not go on.

 

[GRussinko]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

I know this is old news now but it looks like the red light actually did not go on.

Correct - the red light did not go on, however the puck went in before the green light went on. (This was called wrong by WRPI who said the red light came on) All the lights are tied to the clock - if the puck is in before the green light is on (which the video shows) then it's in before the time is up. In this case it was so close to time expiring that the reaction time of the goal judge was not quick enough to push his button and turn on the red light before time expired and locked out his controls.

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

I was under the assumption it was mandatory this year. Guess not. Hopefully all the arenas get it soon. Right now I know Clarkson and Cornell have it, RPI has it when TWCS is at HFH, Quinnipiac also has it, and I don't know about the others.

From what I've heard, video goal review was supposed to be implemented this year by ECAC teams. However, the economic problems caused the league to let it slide and now it looks like next season will have it. Also, the requirement is only for cameras directly above the nets.

 

[SlyFoxMan7]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

Correct - the red light did not go on, however the puck went in before the green light went on. (This was called wrong by WRPI who said the red light came on) All the lights are tied to the clock - if the puck is in before the green light is on (which the video shows) then it's in before the time is up. In this case it was so close to time expiring that the reaction time of the goal judge was not quick enough to push his button and turn on the red light before time expired and locked out his controls.

ok fair enough. now about those penalties...

 

[UnionHockeyManiac]

Re: Union College Dutchmen Hockey 2010-11: There's one way and that's to Atlantic Cit

Appert suspended one game:

http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2010/nov/17/appert-suspended-1-game-by-ecac-hockey/