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UNH Wildcats-The Back Nine and Beyond!

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Dan, I think BC is ascending to the mean.

Yes, that is what I meant.

As to the BU/UNH '09 Regional Final - your memory is a little off, although I can certainly understand why this is your impression.

First of all, BU scored the game winner on the PP when Jason Lawrence's pass across the crease hit a sliding Jerry Pollastrone and ricocheted into the net. JVR was the UNH player in the penalty box. You recollection of JVR being late into the play is because he was the last man into the zone on the preceding rush and hauled down Nick Bonino, who had a point-blank shot from the mid-slot, to take a late hooking penalty. Before you blame JVR's lazy back-check for resulting in a crucial penalty, take a look at the highlights of that game below. If you do, you'll first notice JVR generates a lot of chances for himself and for his teammates throughout the game (the real difference in the game was Kieran Milan's goaltending). UNH out-chanced BU and really could/should have won this game. If you skip ahead to the 5:40 mark you'll also notice JVR save a goal on a BU wraparound attempt and then clear the puck out of danger. Finally, at the 7:10 mark you'll get to the play that led to JVRs penalty...

Now, take a close look at the UNH forwards in the offensive zone. You'll see that the three forechecking forwards, beaten by the BU rush up ice are, #20, #39 and #17. That checks out with UNH's third line that day, consisting of DeSimone, Fortney and Thompson. At least one of those forwards heads to the bench instead of backchecking. JVR jumps on in his place and as a result is late into the zone. He IS NOT late because he wasn't committed to coverage in a big game. He is chasing the play because he is coming from the bench after BU has already entered the zone. His effort to get into the play, prevent a scoring chance and his reaction to taking the penalty indicate a player who was skating hard, VERY committed to his team and into this play and this game...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dmQ_2a6WPo0

One final point, JVR is a supremely skilled and athletic individual. Players like JVR OFTEN look like they're not trying, because they are so fluid and skilled and the game comes naturally to them. Just because his legs aren't moving a mile a minute doesn't mean he's not giving the needed effort. Certainly not in this game. The film doesn't lie. I believe you should re-think him as a no-show in his last career game, Greg...
 
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Well Bceagle I'm feeling a 4-3 game! Problem is the ball is to cloudy to see the winner.

Given the most recent history between these two teams it really is hard to predict a clear winner. Not too many in the NCAA pick em selected UNH to prevail and the Jim and Dave show even thought one or the other would win.

Regardless UNH needs a win here no question about it! As always HR is hoping for a highly competitive game and having Vela and CHKell back is a positive thing. One goal game is my predict but am not at liberty to say who gets the W 😉! Go 'Cats!!!
 
Yes, that is what I meant.

As to the BU/UNH '09 Regional Final - your memory is a little off, although I can certainly understand why this is your impression.

First of all, BU scored the game winner on the PP when Jason Lawrence's pass across the crease hit a sliding Kevin Kapstad and ricocheted into the net. JVR was the UNH player in the penalty box. You recollection of JVR being late into the play is because he was the last man into the zone on the preceding rush and hauled down Nick Bonino, who had a point-blank shot from the mid-slot, to take a late hooking penalty. Before you blame JVR's lazy back-check for resulting in a crucial penalty, take a look at the highlights of that game below. If you do, you'll first notice JVR generates a lot of chances for himself and for his teammates throughout the game (the real difference in the game was Kieran Milan's goaltending). UNH out-chanced BU and really could/should have won this game. If you skip ahead to the 5:40 mark you'll also notice JVR save a goal on a BU wraparound attempt and then clear the puck out of danger. Finally, at the 7:10 mark you'll get to the play that led to JVRs penalty...

Now, take a close look at the UNH forwards in the offensive zone. You'll see that the three forechecking forwards, beaten by the BU rush up ice are, #20, #39 and #17. That checks out with UNH's third line that day, consisting of DeSimone, Fortney and Thompson. At least one of those forwards heads to the bench instead of backchecking. JVR jumps on in his place and as a result is late into the zone. He IS NOT late because he wasn't committed to coverage in a big game. He is chasing the play because he is coming from the bench after BU has already entered the zone. His effort to get into the play, prevent a scoring chance and his reaction to taking the penalty indicate a player who was skating hard, VERY committed to his team and into this play and this game...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dmQ_2a6WPo0

One final point, JVR is a supremely skilled and athletic individual. Players like JVR OFTEN look like they're not trying, because they are so fluid and skilled and the game comes naturally to them. Just because his legs aren't moving a mile a minute doesn't mean he's not giving the needed effort. Certainly not in this game. The film doesn't lie. I believe you should re-think him as a no-show in his last career game, Greg...

Those highlights are amazing to watch Dan and I agree UNH should have won that game.

You make very convincing arguments for JvR. Not that I needed any convincing!! Sad some people have such an unfounded jaded view of him!
 
Those highlights are amazing to watch Dan and I agree UNH should have won that game.

You make very convincing arguments for JvR. Not that I needed any convincing!! Sad some people have such an unfounded jaded view of him!

Boy I wish I had had a chance to see him play....went to a UNH v CC game back in 08...had no idea what I was watching on the ice. You guys have been blessed with so many amazing players be proud of that fact.
 
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Yes, that is what I meant.

As to the BU/UNH '09 Regional Final - your memory is a little off, although I can certainly understand why this is your impression.

First of all, BU scored the game winner on the PP when Jason Lawrence's pass across the crease hit a sliding Jerry Pollastrone and ricocheted into the net. JVR was the UNH player in the penalty box. You recollection of JVR being late into the play is because he was the last man into the zone on the preceding rush and hauled down Nick Bonino, who had a point-blank shot from the mid-slot, to take a late hooking penalty. Before you blame JVR's lazy back-check for resulting in a crucial penalty, take a look at the highlights of that game below. If you do, you'll first notice JVR generates a lot of chances for himself and for his teammates throughout the game (the real difference in the game was Kieran Milan's goaltending). UNH out-chanced BU and really could/should have won this game. If you skip ahead to the 5:40 mark you'll also notice JVR save a goal on a BU wraparound attempt and then clear the puck out of danger. Finally, at the 7:10 mark you'll get to the play that led to JVRs penalty...

Now, take a close look at the UNH forwards in the offensive zone. You'll see that the three forechecking forwards, beaten by the BU rush up ice are, #20, #39 and #17. That checks out with UNH's third line that day, consisting of DeSimone, Fortney and Thompson. At least one of those forwards heads to the bench instead of backchecking. JVR jumps on in his place and as a result is late into the zone. He IS NOT late because he wasn't committed to coverage in a big game. He is chasing the play because he is coming from the bench after BU has already entered the zone. His effort to get into the play, prevent a scoring chance and his reaction to taking the penalty indicate a player who was skating hard, VERY committed to his team and into this play and this game...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dmQ_2a6WPo0

One final point, JVR is a supremely skilled and athletic individual. Players like JVR OFTEN look like they're not trying, because they are so fluid and skilled and the game comes naturally to them. Just because his legs aren't moving a mile a minute doesn't mean he's not giving the needed effort. Certainly not in this game. The film doesn't lie. I believe you should re-think him as a no-show in his last career game, Greg...

What I remember most about JvR during his sophomore season is that Umile let him stand up at the end of the bench behind the left stanchion through entire games. It certainly seemed to me that he was totally involved in every minute of every game. I loved watching him glide around the big sheet, probably the best skater that I have seen at UNH over the years. I also remember that he seemed to have an injured right hand for last 10 or so games of the season, and that at the end of games he kept the right glove on and shook with his left hand going through the line.
 
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Those highlights are amazing to watch Dan and I agree UNH should have won that game.

You make very convincing arguments for JvR. Not that I needed any convincing!! Sad some people have such an unfounded jaded view of him!

When that puck bounced in off of Jerry Pollostrone, it was the end of UNH hockey as we knew it! Those were the last great UNH teams. The last UNH teams that just sent wave after wave of electric forward out onto the ice. That 2008-09 team ran out the following lines...

Pollostrone - JVR! - Sislo!*
Collins - LeBlanc - Butler!*
Dries* - DeSimone* - Thompson!*
McCarey - Fortney - Moses*

* 100 Point NCAA Scorer
! NHLer

Peter LeBlanc scored 85 career points and Pollostrone had 97, giving the team essentially nine 100-point talents and four future NHLers in its 12 regular forwards. After that season JVR, Dries, Pollostrone, Collins and Fortney graduated, left for the NHL (JVR) or were kicked off the team (Dries). They lost their three elite recruits (Bourque, White and Reid) and eventually settled on a freshman forward class of Burke, Speelman, Henrion, Block and Pavelski for 2009-10. The team won a HE regular season title the following year and extended the NCAA Tournament streak by two, before the wheels fell off. The last year of the NCAA streak was 20010-11. UNH has made just one tournament in the six seasons between that year and the current season.

The great UNH what-if: JVR and Dries return along with Butler, Thompson, Sislo, DeSimone and the three elite frosh...
 
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Boy I wish I had had a chance to see him play....went to a UNH v CC game back in 08...had no idea what I was watching on the ice. You guys have been blessed with so many amazing players be proud of that fact.

Yes we have been blessed over the years with some exciting games and players!
 
Yes, that is what I meant.

As to the BU/UNH '09 Regional Final - your memory is a little off, although I can certainly understand why this is your impression.

First of all, BU scored the game winner on the PP when Jason Lawrence's pass across the crease hit a sliding Jerry Pollastrone and ricocheted into the net. JVR was the UNH player in the penalty box. You recollection of JVR being late into the play is because he was the last man into the zone on the preceding rush and hauled down Nick Bonino, who had a point-blank shot from the mid-slot, to take a late hooking penalty. Before you blame JVR's lazy back-check for resulting in a crucial penalty, take a look at the highlights of that game below. If you do, you'll first notice JVR generates a lot of chances for himself and for his teammates throughout the game (the real difference in the game was Kieran Milan's goaltending). UNH out-chanced BU and really could/should have won this game. If you skip ahead to the 5:40 mark you'll also notice JVR save a goal on a BU wraparound attempt and then clear the puck out of danger. Finally, at the 7:10 mark you'll get to the play that led to JVRs penalty...

Now, take a close look at the UNH forwards in the offensive zone. You'll see that the three forechecking forwards, beaten by the BU rush up ice are, #20, #39 and #17. That checks out with UNH's third line that day, consisting of DeSimone, Fortney and Thompson. At least one of those forwards heads to the bench instead of backchecking. JVR jumps on in his place and as a result is late into the zone. He IS NOT late because he wasn't committed to coverage in a big game. He is chasing the play because he is coming from the bench after BU has already entered the zone. His effort to get into the play, prevent a scoring chance and his reaction to taking the penalty indicate a player who was skating hard, VERY committed to his team and into this play and this game...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dmQ_2a6WPo0

One final point, JVR is a supremely skilled and athletic individual. Players like JVR OFTEN look like they're not trying, because they are so fluid and skilled and the game comes naturally to them. Just because his legs aren't moving a mile a minute doesn't mean he's not giving the needed effort. Certainly not in this game. The film doesn't lie. I believe you should re-think him as a no-show in his last career game, Greg...

OMG! My apologies to JVR. He wasn’t lagging the play on the winning goal. No he was in the box for taking hooking penalty with 40 odd seconds to go. And you excuse it because why exactly? Late getting into the play? Barry Melrose says it was all JVR could do? Unfortunately we don’t have any tape of Bobby Gould in the Cornell semifinal or, better yet, the 1979 final vs. Dartmouth. Why don’t we leave it at this. JVR is an extremely skilled offensive player but, at least in college, he sometimes quit when the play went the other way. Not in this BU game I grant you, but other games. My guess is you are too young to have seen Gould play. I would never say he was as gifted as JVR offensively, although he was pretty good. But he was a tough two way player, a description that carried over to his NHL days.

Btw, the clips were great. BU was a lucky team that year. They should have lost to UNH and they definitely should have lost to Miami. Second btw. Whatever happened to Brandon Yip?
 
When that puck bounced in off of Jerry Pollostrone, it was the end of UNH hockey as we knew it! Those were the last great UNH teams. The last UNH teams that just sent wave after wave of electric forward out onto the ice. That 2008-09 team ran out the following lines...

Pollostrone - JVR! - Sislo!*
Collins - LeBlanc - Butler!*
Dries* - DeSimone* - Thompson!*
McCarey - Fortney - Moses*

* 100 Point NCAA Scorer
! NHLer

Peter LeBlanc scored 85 career points and Pollostrone had 97, giving the team essentially nine 100-point talents and four future NHLers in its 12 regular forwards. After that season JVR, Dries, Pollostrone, Collins and Fortney graduated, left for the NHL (JVR) or were kicked off the team (Dries). They lost their three elite recruits (Bourque, White and Reid) and eventually settled on a freshman forward class of Burke, Speelman, Henrion, Block and Pavelski for 2009-10. The team won a HE regular season title the following year and extended the NCAA Tournament streak by two, before the wheels fell off. The last year of the NCAA streak was 20010-11. UNH has made just one tournament in the six seasons between that year and the current season.

The great UNH what-if: JVR and Dries return along with Butler, Thompson, Sislo, DeSimone and the three elite frosh...

The what if is what if Borek pulled the trigger faster?
 
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OMG! My apologies to JVR. He wasn’t lagging the play on the winning goal. No he was in the box for taking hooking penalty with 40 odd seconds to go. And you excuse it because why exactly? Late getting into the play? Barry Melrose says it was all JVR could do? Unfortunately we don’t have any tape of Bobby Gould in the Cornell semifinal or, better yet, the 1979 final vs. Dartmouth. Why don’t we leave it at this. JVR is an extremely skilled offensive player but, at least in college, he sometimes quit when the play went the other way. Not in this BU game I grant you, but other games. My guess is you are too young to have seen Gould play. I would never say he was as gifted as JVR offensively, although he was pretty good. But he was a tough two way player, a description that carried over to his NHL days.

Btw, the clips were great. BU was a lucky team that year. They should have lost to UNH and they definitely should have lost to Miami. Second btw. Whatever happened to Brandon Yip?

I excuse it because the F on the ice was late getting to the bench and JVR had to rush to get back in the play at all. Seriously Greg, if you can't admit he couldn't have been up with the play when he was still waiting on the bench when the initial play entered the UNH zone then I don't know what to say. I guess we should just leave it. Its easy to say in retrospect he should have just let Bonino rip his shot from the slot and taken his chances, but he tried to make a defensive play. I wonder what the response would have been if he decided in the moment to 'do nothing, because theres only 40 seconds left' and Bonino potted the game-winner with JVR trailing behind...

I don't understand what you're saying in your response to my what-if post? The what-if is clearly if they didn't screw up the recruiting, throw out DD and found a way to keep JVR for a third season.
 
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I think Greg's posts about Bobby Gould reflect what I think I've been saying all along ... hey, it's great when some of these players go on to earn their living at the next level and all, good for them ... but if you're a UNH fan first and foremost, then it's the successes these players have when they're in your program that count the most. Hence, Bobby Gould means WAY more to a UNH fan than JvR ever did, besides the latter being in the unusual spot of being a UNH recruit AND a #2 overall NHL draft pick, and a more productive offensive player in the NHL.

That doesn't have to be a knock on JvR. Heck, Gould's goal at 17:17 of the 3rd period of the '79 ECAC Tourney Finals at the old Garden was my first-ever UNH game attended in person (age 17). Talk about a great memory to start off with! :) Before that, UNH Hockey to me was a novelty interest when I started seeing games on Channel 11 (NHPTV) in the mid-70's from a community not far removed from where Greg grew up (no cable, so the reception was fuzzy on the good nights, nonexistent otherwise). I remember guys like Cap Raeder and Cliff Cox and Jamie Hislop only that way, 'cuz they were long gone by '79. And I guess in a pre-JvR era way, I'll admit it was kind of a rush to see a kid like Bobby Miller go pretty much straight from UNH to the Bruins in the late '70's.

Mark Mowers was a great 4 year player, but he cemented his place in UNH fans' hearts when he scored a SHG in OT in '98 to send UNH to the Frozen Four (assisted by a frosh who is now our coach-in-waiting, I believe?) ... freshman Darren Haydar did the same the following year when he scored in OT in Worcester to topple defending D-1 champs Michigan to seal a return trip ... Jason Krog leading the way in a sweep over UMaine that same season in the first-ever White Out at The Whitt weekend (sadly, UMaine got even in the FF Finals) ... Steve Saviano dominating in the 2002 Hockey East Final, which would be UNH's first-ever tourney title in their new league ... heck, even Tyson Teplitsky, a defenseman who overall had a JAG career at UNH, scored the fluky goal in the HE Finals the following year in OT (double?) to break a scoreless tie to give UNH its last tourney title ... Michael Ayers, almost getting his arm cut off at UMaine on a Friday night rout by the home team, then miraculously returning for the Sunday afternoon rematch, which UNH won ... things like those moments, you can't explain statistically. I'd probably like to add the late comeback win in ManchVegas against NoDak to that list, but I wasn't following too closely at that time, due to other things I was doing, but I can understand why that would have been one of those "moments" too.

Selfishly, I want to enjoy more of those moments ... seeing guys go on to have success in the NHL, hey that's great, I love the NHL too, and some UNH guys have played briefly for DRW in recent seasons (Mowers and Ty Conklin), but it was never "Wow it's great to have UNH guys on the Red Wings!!" to me. They would always have their separate identities in my mind as UNH players, and if it had worked out for them in Detroit too - other than being the spare parts they were at that level - it would have been because what they did in Detroit, I suppose.

One of my all-time favorite DRW players, back when they were first winning Cups just before the turn of the century, was Doug Brown. Yes, THAT Doug Brown. As in, Boston College's own Doug Brown, whose kid just finished playing for BC very recently. I was introduced to him briefly between periods at the Beanpot a couple of years ago by a business associate who is also a BC alum. Even though I'm two-plus years older than Brown, all I could do was yammer on for 15 seconds or so about how much of a fan I was when he was playing in Detroit, etc. ad nauseum, forgetting of course he was a staunch BC guy who sent his kids to BC. To me, the guy is DRW royalty ... and if he also happened to be a BC guy, meh.

I guess the moral of the story is ... if you want to live on in the hearts of the fans where you've played, give them something to remember you for, other than being super talented or a high draft choice who made the grade somewhere else. Saving it up for the next level may be a smart choice economically ... but if you look back someday after you retire, and you haven't had those great moments, it's likely you are going to feel something is missing. And all the money in the world can't buy you those moments; you gotta earn that. And way more often than not, it's earned and not due to some random lucky break that falls into your lap because of "puck luck" or other such fantasies. "The harder I work, the luckier I get." JMHO.
 
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Mark Mowers was a great 4 year player, but he cemented his place in UNH fans' hearts when he scored a SHG in OT in '98 to send UNH to the Frozen Four (assisted by a frosh who is now our coach-in-waiting, I believe?)

That was Jason Krog taking the stupid lazy penalty in overtime against BU, which is a mortal sin, or so I learn from reading this thread, where we can all pick out one play and interpret it through our own prejudices.
 
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That was Jason Krog taking the stupid lazy penalty in overtime against BU, which is a mortal sin, or so I learn from reading this thread, where we can all pick out one play and interpret it through our own prejudices.

Funny how all that negative stuff becomes water under the bridge when the good guys win it in the end, eh? :D ;)

I've always said we are fans in our own unique ways. I can only speak for mine. :)
 
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Beauty of a goal by Miller coming through the slot! Go 'Cats!!
 
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Not good enough. The better team won, and probably should have won by more (as if that ever matters).

Halfway through the six game November gauntlet, and nary a result to show for it.

MacAdams was a bright spot. That may have been about it, sadly. :(
 
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