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UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

So how do you explain Quinnipiac, Lowell, Union, Providence? Are you saying they've traditionally been first choice schools of great hockey players?

You make a fair and somewhat relevant point but it is not apples to apples. We have been better in the long run and equivalent or better for all but the past 3-4years compared to all of these schools. Vermont was in Frozen Four and was very good for a few years. Merrimack was very good for a 3-4 year period as well. None of those schools win recruiting battles with the top schools either. Please find me more than 3 kids that the top schools wanted over the past 10 years that went to the above schools. Providence definitely used their admission department to find a way to get marginal student-athlete hockey players into school. Union's championship was Leaman's recruits and I do not want to belittle the Providence coach in any way. Lowell has found some older kids who were not top students and built a very good program based on an aggressive trapping system and relying on referees not calling everything as they would be in the box for 50 minutes per game. UNH might be better if they followed Lowell and Providence's training regimen. They have another gear that UNH does not seem to have. We are 500 or above against Lehman and dreadful against Bazin but better over the past couple of years. Quinnipac has been very good over the past few years and I congratulate Coach Pecknold. He has a lot of work to do if he wants to be compared to UMILE as they all do.

I guess what I am saying is that none of these schools get many bona fide stars as it is the right players for your program that makes the difference. The top schools have all of the draft picks and players that every other program wants. They would all have life a little easier if they had the caliber of players that BC/BU/Denver/Michigan/Notre Dame/North Dakota/Miami/??? have every year. The saving grace is most of the above schools and UNH have a large majority of players staying all four years. Please tell me how many UNH kids in the glory years were heavily recruited by top schools (that would include Maine). I would gladly beg President Huddleston to give you all the keys to the hockey franchise if you really had reasonable solutions to our on ice problems.

Please give Mike Souza a chance as he is a great recruiter and coach. We are about to embark on a new era of NCAA annual appearances in the near future.

Condolences to the Borek family over the loss of their son Gordon this weekend.
 
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Chuck

This is ridiculous as you know that UNH is in on all of the hockey players who choose BC and BU. There have been at least 10+ current student athletes from both schools who were heavily recruited by UNH and chose BC or BU instead. UNH has not surrendered at all. They try for them all and students choose the Boston schools for a variety of reasons. They may have come to UNH if they were not offered by BC and BU. I want UNH to be better and I saw some good things last season that might be a positive this year. Nobody is trying harder than UNH and I wish you would not blast off horse manure for things you have no knowledge of. Nobody feels defeated. Facts are facts and you do the best you can with what you have.
 
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

Info about wake for Gordie Borek just posted on Twitter:

USHR ‏@USHRhockey · 3m3 minutes ago

The wake for Gordie Borek will be Thurs. 6/2 from 4-8 pm at the Purdy Memorial Chapel, 2 Concord Rd., Lee, NH 03861. Funeral info is below. (Didn't see any but imagine info will be out)
 
Info about wake for Gordie Borek just posted on Twitter:

USHR ‏@USHRhockey · 3m3 minutes ago

The wake for Gordie Borek will be Thurs. 6/2 from 4-8 pm at the Purdy Memorial Chapel, 2 Concord Rd., Lee, NH 03861. Funeral info is below. (Didn't see any but imagine info will be out)

Thank you HR for posting.
 
Thank you HR for posting.

Awww not a prob it's the least I can do...lots of wonderful pics/stories are showing up this young man had a positive spirit and will be missed by many....

Saw an update on services:

4-8 PM Thursday, Visiting Hours - Purdy Memorial Chapel, 2 Concord Rd., Lee, NH
10 AM Friday, Celebration of Life - Bethany Church, 500 Breakfast Hill Rd., Greenland, NH

God bless this family...
 
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

Whatever our views on the nuances of his work, Bomber please accept our condolences on the death of Borek's son. I hope he can find peace from that devastating event.

Belated but sincere condolences to the Borek family on your loss.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

Devastating, there are no words, life must seem pretty empty and pointless right now. I hope the family finds the strength they need.
 
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Quinnipac has been very good over the past few years and I congratulate Coach Pecknold. He has a lot of work to do if he wants to be compared to UMILE as they all do.

By "a lot of work" do you mean basically "nothing"?

Really sad news for the Borek family. Devastating. No one should have to go through what the parents are going through right now. Give an extra hug to your kids every morning and night.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

By "a lot of work" do you mean basically "nothing"?

I get your point, and I do think the original poster slightly overstated his case ("He has a lot of work to do if he wants to be compared to UMILE as they all do.") But please remind me, what has Coach Pecknold (or for that matter, my flavor of the decade Coach Norm Bazin) accomplished so far that Coach Umile hasn't? :confused:

If the answer is "they haven't lost as many big games", they both still have plenty of time to "catch up".

Coach Umile has won everything those two guys have won ... and has done so more frequently, too.

Mind you, Versions Umile.02 and Umile.03 bear little resemblance to the (obsolete) Version Umile.16 ... ;)
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

You make a fair and somewhat relevant point but it is not apples to apples. We have been better in the long run and equivalent or better for all but the past 3-4years compared to all of these schools. Vermont was in Frozen Four and was very good for a few years. Merrimack was very good for a 3-4 year period as well. None of those schools win recruiting battles with the top schools either. Please find me more than 3 kids that the top schools wanted over the past 10 years that went to the above schools. Providence definitely used their admission department to find a way to get marginal student-athlete hockey players into school. Union's championship was Leaman's recruits and I do not want to belittle the Providence coach in any way. Lowell has found some older kids who were not top students and built a very good program based on an aggressive trapping system and relying on referees not calling everything as they would be in the box for 50 minutes per game. UNH might be better if they followed Lowell and Providence's training regimen. They have another gear that UNH does not seem to have. We are 500 or above against Lehman and dreadful against Bazin but better over the past couple of years. Quinnipac has been very good over the past few years and I congratulate Coach Pecknold. He has a lot of work to do if he wants to be compared to UMILE as they all do.

I guess what I am saying is that none of these schools get many bona fide stars as it is the right players for your program that makes the difference. The top schools have all of the draft picks and players that every other program wants. They would all have life a little easier if they had the caliber of players that BC/BU/Denver/Michigan/Notre Dame/North Dakota/Miami/??? have every year. The saving grace is most of the above schools and UNH have a large majority of players staying all four years. Please tell me how many UNH kids in the glory years were heavily recruited by top schools (that would include Maine). I would gladly beg President Huddleston to give you all the keys to the hockey franchise if you really had reasonable solutions to our on ice problems.
No offense but I’m struggling to understand the point you’re trying to make.

You seem to be saying that UNH has no hope of recruiting with the big boys but then in the next breath you’re disdainful of other programs for their responses to that recruiting deficit. What’s the saying about repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different result? Not that I necessarily agree with some of your specific points there either. Has PC really lowered their admissions standards all that much, if at all? Is Lowell really all that much older than UNH? Are you really pinning their success that much on poor referring? And if so, wouldn’t it make sense for other teams to follow that a bit, in a do business as business is being done mode?

And I’m not sure how Nate Leaman recruiting two NC teams, as you pointed out, is a mark in Dick Umile’s favor.

When it comes to Umile himself, you seem to be putting an awful lot of stock in his past performance, past performance that’s steadily becoming distant past performance. 14(?) years since the last HE Tournament title? 1 trip to the NCAAs in the last 5 years? 14 or so years since the last FF appearance? Nice achievements but we’re almost at the point where we’re recruiting kids who weren’t even born when they happened. That’s a long time ago. Like I said, nice achievements but I’m pretty sure Umile has still been cashing paychecks for the years since then. So that’s new money but we’re supposed to be happy with the old results? How does that work?

Bottom line, I really don’t care who wins the recruiting battles. It would be great if UNH did but other schools have shown there are other formulas for success. It’s bad enough that Umile didn’t devise one of those formulas for himself, it’s beyond bad that he can’t even follow one that someone else came up with. Go older, load up on one big Sr. class, trap, get some Euros if you can’t win over the locals, go big, go fast, coach them up, freaking do something, you’ve had 25 years to find something that works.
 
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But please remind me, what has Coach Pecknold (or for that matter, my flavor of the decade Coach Norm Bazin) accomplished so far that Coach Umile hasn't? :confused:

Inverse, what has Dick done that they haven't? Get a lifetime contract? :eek:
 
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But please remind me, what has Coach Pecknold (or for that matter, my flavor of the decade Coach Norm Bazin) accomplished so far that Coach Umile hasn't? :confused:
Not let their programs crash and burn?
Kept their interest and involvement levels from dropping to the point where their programs fell into mediocrity?
:eek::):D

I guess the main point is tie goes to the guys doing it right now not the one who did it a decade ago.
 
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Good to see this thread back on track. Was not able to catch up with Dan in Colorado. R.I.P. Gordie Borek, and my condolences to his family, of course.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

Not let their programs crash and burn?
Kept their interest and involvement levels from dropping to the point where their programs fell into mediocrity?
:eek::):D

I guess the main point is tie goes to the guys doing it right now not the one who did it a decade ago.

Don't necessarily disagree with the last point there, but let's hold off on the premature congratulations to those guys. With all due respect to Coaches Pecknold and Bazin ... what they look like right now is not all that different from what Coach Umile looked like a decade plus ago. In fact, Umile was closer to the top for longer that both of those guys, and IIRC his teams made the FF as many times as those two guys combined.

Right now, Leaman is doing a great impersonation of Walshy, without the retroactive financial aid. And the other two guys still haven't won the big one ... yet. Time may or may not be on their side.

Trust me, I'm not defending Umile - certainly not for the last decade-plus of gradual slippage, followed by the "crash and burn" of this past season. Time will tell whether Pecknold and/or Bazin ever get their programs over the hump. Or even get as close as many times as our local hero. I suspect one of them will, but to the extent I don't remember too many folks giving Coach Umile any benefit of the doubt when he was falling just short, I'm puzzled why it's seemingly given to these two other "close but no cigar" guys now. :confused:
 
Don't necessarily disagree with the last point there, but let's hold off on the premature congratulations to those guys. With all due respect to Coaches Pecknold and Bazin ... what they look like right now is not all that different from what Coach Umile looked like a decade plus ago. In fact, Umile was closer to the top for longer that both of those guys, and IIRC his teams made the FF as many times as those two guys combined.

Right now, Leaman is doing a great impersonation of Walshy, without the retroactive financial aid. And the other two guys still haven't won the big one ... yet. Time may or may not be on their side.

Trust me, I'm not defending Umile - certainly not for the last decade-plus of gradual slippage, followed by the "crash and burn" of this past season. Time will tell whether Pecknold and/or Bazin ever get their programs over the hump. Or even get as close as many times as our local hero. I suspect one of them will, but to the extent I don't remember too many folks giving Coach Umile any benefit of the doubt when he was falling just short, I'm puzzled why it's seemingly given to these two other "close but no cigar" guys now. :confused:

It seems that avoidance of a single-digit-win season is an accomplishment these days. Will need continuation of weak SOS in OOC games. When was UNH schedule released last year?
 
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It's an indictment of the UNH program that the current "direction" of said program seems to be driven almost entirely towards finding as many willing "tomato can" OOC opponents as possible to get our head coach to a round number on his way out the door.

Of course I'm jumping to conclusions before the schedule release, but all signs are pointing towards Easy Street ...
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

It's an indictment of the UNH program that the current "direction" of said program seems to be driven almost entirely towards finding as many willing "tomato can" OOC opponents as possible to get our head coach to a round number on his way out the door.

Of course I'm jumping to conclusions before the schedule release, but all signs are pointing towards Easy Street ...

Chuck

You are definitely reading the tea leaves correctly this year. I am not sure it is the 600 wins or the better teams assessment that their RPI will not be improved by playing UNH this year. We will know after the SLU/Clarkson weekend if we are better than last year. The Atlantic will show up more than one would want this year. I think those games are all at home.
 
Chuck

You are definitely reading the tea leaves correctly this year. I am not sure it is the 600 wins or the better teams assessment that their RPI will not be improved by playing UNH this year. We will know after the SLU/Clarkson weekend if we are better than last year. The Atlantic will show up more than one would want this year. I think those games are all at home.

Last week marked the one year anniversary for Marty Scarani's bold succession plan.

Random observations. UMass has hit the ground running with a plan, cutting loose many underperforming recruits, attracting previously committed recruits who want to follow and join the new coach, and locking up the top kids who were committed to UMass and who are excited by the new coach.

Wisconsin's new coaching staff has cut loose a ton of flotsam filler that Eaves recruited. They saw holes in the immediate roster and got a late commitment from the us national program (Greenway) and because the North American market had been scooped clean, brought in a Swedish defenseman. They are now in month three and sending the message that they are pursuing top end kids and not mid-level fillers.

And speaking of alacrity in addressing immediate needs, Robbie Baillargeon from BU - eligible immediately as a senior - has chosen to be a top 6 forward for Arizona State.
 
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It's an indictment of the UNH program that the current "direction" of said program seems to be driven almost entirely towards finding as many willing "tomato can" OOC opponents as possible to get our head coach to a round number on his way out the door.

Of course I'm jumping to conclusions before the schedule release, but all signs are pointing towards Easy Street ...

R.I.P, your DWR's Mr. Hockey, at age 88, Chuck.
 
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