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UNH Wildcats 2016-17 -- We're Going to Have a Hockey Season Here!!

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I think it would be extremely naïve of Souza to assume he will take over as HC once DU's time is up, regardless of the results during his time as assistant/HC in training. If the program continues to tank, and there is nothing happening on the recruiting front, it would be foolish of BS35+4 (or 5) to just plug him in in March 2017/2018.

I would think, Chuck, for you to think otherwise is naive. Promises were made. If they had not been, Souza would never have left UConn. If they aren't kept, why would any other prospective assistant,,never mind head coach, come to UNH?
 
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I would think, Chuck, for you to think otherwise is naive. Promises were made. If they had not been, Souza would never have left UConn. If they aren't kept, why would any other prospective assistant,,never mind head coach, come to UNH?

Are you are suggesting that UNH has a moral obligation to carry through on plan, even if not in contract? That's not how they deal with recruits, and this is between even more sophisticated parties, and the decision too important. At some point Marty has to be the hardass in the room rather that appeasing Dick. If you are engaged to a girl but during the engagement you determine it isn't going to work out, you owe it to yourself and her to break it off, no matter how painful.

I have previously used the Meatloaf Paradise metaphor to describe the crippling decision UNH made with Umile ("waiting for the end of time so I can end my time with you"). Let's not jump into a rebound relationship and make the same mistake out of loyalty to Dick. Hopefully at the end of the Engagement we remain smitten with Mike and can't wait to get to the altar with him. But halfway through the Engagement I had hoped for a bit more from him.
 
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A lot of promises get made in the back seat of an old beat up Iroc Z when you are 16. You did what you had to do at the time... but you don't marry the girl when you are a few years older and wiser just because she took her pants off.

...and if one has to make a promise to get somebody away from uconn, maybe that means what you are offering isn't all that great to begin with.
 
A lot of promises get made in the back seat of an old beat up Iroc Z when you are 16. You did what you had to do at the time... but you don't marry the girl when you are a few years older and wiser just because she took her pants off.

What the he11 is an Iroc Z?

Those girls have always wondered who the he11 would marry you! haha;)
 
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I would think, Chuck, for you to think otherwise is naive. Promises were made. If they had not been, Souza would never have left UConn. If they aren't kept, why would any other prospective assistant,,never mind head coach, come to UNH?

I think 'Watcher covered my thoughts on this issue pretty well.

And nearly as much verbiage as a typical WIS post, too. :D
 
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[rant] You mean for the next time UNH is forced to make a decision 3 years in advance of the need to make it? UNH never should have let Umile bully them into hiring "like his son." If Marty did make the promise in any way conditional -- as the stories suggest -- UNH should make sure that the "like a son" lives up to that promise. Mike better start delivering any semblance of a result. I know you don't follow recruiting, but UNH's efforts are peculiar, shall we say. Not the sort of thing that screams "momentum and credibility." I'll caveat that with the exception to the rule, Bazin and Lowell, who appear to follow the similar refusal to recruit anyone (a) early and (b) from a known pool. Even their fans are discomforted by that approach, but Bazin at least has a track record as an assistant and now as a head coach to earn the benefit of the doubt (In Bazin we trust). Sorry, but two years at Brown and two years at DII U.Conn don't quite make me trust Mike's competence. (as an aside, why wouldn't Souza leave U.Conn. Cavanaugh is the HC for the long future unless he gets BC job, so it's not like Mike was giving up a job advancement path there. And if Mike is so well regarded as Umile sold him to Marty, I'm sure all the other DI head coaches will be clamoring to get him on their staff. He might even get a gig at a school that has been in the top-half of its conference during our lifetimes.)[/rant]

Can we make that "Luce Canaan-to-BC" thingie happen, pretty please? :) :confused: :D

I would carry him piggyback from Storrs to Chestnut Hill, just to make sure he got there safely.
 
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UNH hockey now surpassed by football AND squeakball?

If this year's trend continues, Men's basketball will meet or beat the number of wins earned by Men's hockey for the third season in a row. :eek:

I don't think that this has ever happened in recent history (say, the last 40 years) :eek:
 
If this year's trend continues, Men's basketball will meet or beat the number of wins earned by Men's hockey for the third season in a row. :eek:

I don't think that this has ever happened in recent history (say, the last 40 years) :eek:

That is amazing! Who would have thunk it?
 
If this year's trend continues, Men's basketball will meet or beat the number of wins earned by Men's hockey for the third season in a row. :eek:

I don't think that this has ever happened in recent history (say, the last 40 years) :eek:

Men's squeakball had very good team in 1994-1995 with Gib Champman as coach and players Scott Drapeau, Matt Alosa, and Matt Acres, as they went 19-9, the year that hockey team played in Manchvegas. But, true, their success was short-lived, with the only other barely winning record of 15-13 the year before.
 
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Men's squeakball had very good team in 1994-1995 with Gib Champman as coach and players Scott Drapeau, Matt Alosa, and Matt Acres, as they went 19-9, the year that hockey team played in Manchvegas. But, true, their success was short-lived, with the only other barely winning record of 15-13 the year before.

Big fan of the Drapeau era teams. Unfortunately all too brief, but maybe Herrion's finally got it turned around?
 
I think 'Watcher covered my thoughts on this issue pretty well.

And nearly as much verbiage as a typical WIS post, too. :D

I'll concede that there are some benchmarks that have to be reached but, really, how onerous do they have to be in order for Souza not to get the job? In his three years as an associate does the team have to make the NCAAs, advance to the final eight in HE, or have a winning record? Or are we looking at something a bit more nebulous. That the kids he brings in are an improvement over those who left, for instance.

Let me ask you (and Watcher) this. Is there anything in Marty's UNH resume which indicates that he is a hard grader, that if the coaches don't perform up to a certain level he gets rid of him? And the answer is not McCloskey or Karen Kay.
 
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I'll concede that there are some benchmarks that have to be reached but, really, how onerous do they have to be in order for Souza not to get the job? In his three years as an associate does the team have to make the NCAAs, advance to the final eight in HE, or have a winning record? Or are we looking at something a bit more nebulous. That the kids he brings in are an improvement over those who left, for instance.

Let me ask you (and Watcher) this. Is there anything in Marty's UNH resume which indicates that he is a hard grader, that if the coaches don't perform up to a certain level he gets rid of him? And the answer is not McCloskey or Karen Kay.

No - I agree, there is nothing in the AD's UNH resume to suggest he is a hard grader. See Herrion, Bill.

As to the benchmarks ... I'd say Year One didn't do Coach Souza any favors, but it's probably going to be the least heavily weighted year of the three season lead-in. Good one to get out of your system quickly, and move forwards.

Now ... this season, with the strength of schedule (*tee-hee*) significantly down from last season, I think Coach Souza runs a risk if they don't at least match last season's performance (and I use that term very loosely). That's not exactly a high bar to meet or (hopefully) to exceed ... BUT if that doesn't happen - and by now, you'd have to concede Souza's impact should at least be surfacing positively with the program - then I think the issue of what happens with Coach Souza in "Year Four" becomes a question to some degree. And by Year Three, there's no question Coach Souza's recruits (not to mention working with the current roster on a daily basis) should be emerging as a force within the program. So, if we're playing "what if?" ... IF UNH's on-ice results continue to gradually stagnate or erode through Year Three, I'm thinking the "Year Four" of the Coach Souza plan might be open for debate and reconsideration.

Coach Umile can make this a lot easier on him, his boss, and his would-be successor if he just pulls a .500 season out of his hat this year. And it's pretty darned clear BS35+4 had set things up pretty sweetly for him to do at least that well. IF he gets that kind of a season from Coach Umile this season, then it takes a lot of pressure off everyone to just play out Year Three of the plan, get coach to the next round number (if you think this season's NC schedule is soft, wait 'til next season :eek: ), and let things roll with the Coach Souza era.

Now IF Coach Umile craters with this year's team - and make no mistake, a repeat of last season's record (given the strength *tee-hee* of schedule) would be a "crater" - it gets interesting. "The ____ for 600" becomes a bad joke, and any ordinary coach in those shoes might give some serious thought to stepping aside before continued poor performances not only mars his own legacy, but also puts the future of his hand-picked successor - Coach's "legacy" - in great jeopardy. But no one I know or have ever spoken to around the UNH program has any expectation that Coach would ever leave of his own volition. So, does BS35+4 ...

* buy out Coach Umile's final year, and force Coach Souza to sink or swim a year early?
* threaten not to automatically continue with Coach Souza in 2018/2019 if DU won't resign?
* fire them both (with appropriate buyouts, to be fair) and start anew with a national search?

I have no expectation that any UNH teams over the remainder of Coach Umile's tenure will be making the D-1 tourney, and my belief in any shot at a winning record during that stretch is dying an early death with the team's non-performance over their first 11 games. "Advancing" to the final 8 of the HE Tourney is just a pathetic standard for UNH (wow, we won the MBPBEGAM round!! :rolleyes: ) but a trip to Boston is probably enough to salvage THIS season and ensure Umile (and Souza) get to see out the Three Year Plan.

IF - and I'm saying IF - this year craters, I have every reason to believe a hard decision will be made to relieve Coach Umile before next season, so he can get a proper send-off in February/March 2017. And so Coach Souza gets a fair chance before further damage is done to the program while he's waiting patiently in the wings. Would Coach Umile accept such a scenario to "save" his hand-picked successor's UNH coaching career ... or is he stubborn enough to drag the whole thing down around him (including Coach Souza)? :confused:

... and amidst all of this uncertainty, whither Coach Stewart? I'm amazed he's still there TBH ...
 
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Looks like they deleted my post. REALLY!?

Watch out - the Thought Police will be after you for your location next, Nick. :D

Remember when this place used to be fun? Now it's just a sad reflection of the outside world, with wanna-be social justice warriors parsing words in a truly misguided attempt to play "gotcha". Hey, at least you didn't say posse ... :eek:

( ... half-expecting the swear filter or whatever it's called to snag that one ... )
 
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UNH SOS at 40 not the lowest in HEA, which is held by Mac at 41. But, still plenty of opportunity over the next month to claim the SOS basement.
 
Greg
I hear you about Marty's general lenience, but do wonder if different rules apply to a former key revenue sport. This is a decision that might show up on his bonus metrics.
 
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Greg
I hear you about Marty's general lenience, but do wonder if different rules apply to a former key revenue sport. This is a decision that might show up on his bonus metrics.

Playing to half-filled houses and road games in the MBPBEGAM playoffs can't be helping those metrics ...
 
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