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UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
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Darius
Go 'cats!
Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
Re Casey: I can't help but thinking of this: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120213/NEWS03/120219976, http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120214/GJNEWS_01/702149942 which I've previously referenced. I was introduced to Jerome before the incident, we chatted briefly. He was polite, respectful, quiet, unassuming and seemed intelligent. I was saddened to read of the incident, initially surprised, but as with Casey kids and alcohol.... I don't know Jerome's current situation, but this incident for which he was found not guilty turned his life upside down at least for a while.
Re tonight's line up: I like it! Gaudreault has got it going on, that line will be fun to watch, could be very productive. Nice to see Randall in there again, good for him. Are we so talented that Eiserman is truly a 4th line forward? Hope so. Go 'cats (vicariously)!
Re Casey: I can't help but thinking of this: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120213/NEWS03/120219976, http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120214/GJNEWS_01/702149942 which I've previously referenced. I was introduced to Jerome before the incident, we chatted briefly. He was polite, respectful, quiet, unassuming and seemed intelligent. I was saddened to read of the incident, initially surprised, but as with Casey kids and alcohol.... I don't know Jerome's current situation, but this incident for which he was found not guilty turned his life upside down at least for a while.
Re tonight's line up: I like it! Gaudreault has got it going on, that line will be fun to watch, could be very productive. Nice to see Randall in there again, good for him. Are we so talented that Eiserman is truly a 4th line forward? Hope so. Go 'cats (vicariously)!
Well we had a 3 goal lead....come on 'Cats focus!!
At 10:28, Cats get their first and second SOG of third.
And, Chuck once again wins big in the SOG contest, but in a good way.
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
Well we'll take it! Congrats to John Furgele on his beautiful goal! The scoreboard mishap will prob be a point of contention ��. Second period a clunker . Glad they hung in there gonna be tough at Matfhews tomorrow night. Getting a Frosty!
highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jodJh_l30zY&feature=youtu.be
Annnnd this...JM: Can't get a break at the 'Whitt...sigh.
http://thenewhampshire.wordpress.co...wildcats-get-first-hockey-east-win-of-season/
Well we'll take it! Congrats to John Furgele on his beautiful goal! The scoreboard mishap will prob be a point of contention ��. Second period a clunker . Glad they hung in there gonna be tough at Matfhews tomorrow night. Getting a Frosty!
highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jodJh_l30zY&feature=youtu.be
Annnnd this...JM: Can't get a break at the 'Whitt...sigh.
http://thenewhampshire.wordpress.co...wildcats-get-first-hockey-east-win-of-season/
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One step towards 7-6ish pre-popped collar. Feeling it.
e.cat
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
Yup, SOG win for Chuck! Sweet GWG that was meaningful contrary to Chuck's assertion on that stat. (no smiley face, don't want to rub it in!).
Yup, SOG win for Chuck! Sweet GWG that was meaningful contrary to Chuck's assertion on that stat. (no smiley face, don't want to rub it in!).
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
While I'm thrilled for the win I'm concerned about our lack of zone clearing (again) and consistent puck possession last night...against a hotter team this will be our waterloo (as we kind of know already). Gotta give credit to NU for taking the momentum away last night; they looked disciplined in the second period as we couldn't handle their 2 man fore check and turned the puck over many times...Of course it's already been said by Coach U today and they know what needs to be done. Those things are learning curve things for our young team. Hopefully this improves for our 'Cats! Will be interesting to see who starts on D tonight; will Boyd return and I'm curious; what's happened to Quast? Is he injured or just not playing? Maybe the skill is so comparable it doesn't matter who plays on any given night? Marks and Furgele are coming along...At least we got the win and a PP goal so that was nice. Just some musings on a Sat. morn'. Anyone else making the trek to Matthews?
While I'm thrilled for the win I'm concerned about our lack of zone clearing (again) and consistent puck possession last night...against a hotter team this will be our waterloo (as we kind of know already). Gotta give credit to NU for taking the momentum away last night; they looked disciplined in the second period as we couldn't handle their 2 man fore check and turned the puck over many times...Of course it's already been said by Coach U today and they know what needs to be done. Those things are learning curve things for our young team. Hopefully this improves for our 'Cats! Will be interesting to see who starts on D tonight; will Boyd return and I'm curious; what's happened to Quast? Is he injured or just not playing? Maybe the skill is so comparable it doesn't matter who plays on any given night? Marks and Furgele are coming along...At least we got the win and a PP goal so that was nice. Just some musings on a Sat. morn'. Anyone else making the trek to Matthews?
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
Good start to the weekend for the 'Cats. More growing pains on display, giving away a 3 goal lead (something you rarely see from an experienced and disciplined team), but with a 3rd period bounceback to earn the two points, it's all hopefully part of the learning process for this young UNH team. Now within one game of the .500 mark, and with a winnable road game tonight ... dare to dream those big dreams, folks!
Now for the ongoing dialogue about irrelevant vs. relevant statistics, the next chapter begins ...
GWG's which break ties in the 3rd period are VERY relevant and MOST meaningful. Let's not take my prior comments out of context (it's nice to know some of you are taking notes anyway
). Keep in mind those earlier comments were pointing out how Lowell's 3rd goal in their 8-2 win last Saturday night - scored midway through the first period IIRC - was considered a statistical "GWG". My arguments were that (1) that WAS a meaningless stat in that instance, and (2) not every game should necessitate a GWG (and no, I'm not talking ties).
Now let's look at last night, and go one theoretical step further ... UNH scores their (Thrush?) ENG in the final minute of play, but (let's say) then NU scores a last-second goal to make the final score 5-4. We can all agree that's a meaningless goal, I hope??
Anyway, that leads to a simple, direct question. Which UNH player scored the GWG?
* Furgele with the go-ahead goal that gave UNH the lead for good with 6-7 minutes left to play in the 3rd?
* Thrush with his ENG in the final minute, which technically provided the margin of victory due to a late "garbage" goal?
My opinion is Furgele should get credit for the actual (and very legit) GWG, putting UNH ahead for good in the 3rd period.
Your local NCAA statistician would beg to differ, and "going by the book" they would award the GWG to Thrush.
I guess from my standpoint, a statistic should tell me something meaningful about a team OR offer me some meaning insight into a player. Ultimately, the most meaningful statistic - IF you subscribe to the basic statement "you play to win the game" anyway - is the league standings. Or the tournament bracket(s) later in the season. Statistics that offer insight into who wins and who loses, those are the ones I'm after.
Goals are what determine wins and losses. That's as basic as it gets.
SOG's don't give us that. And some GWG's mean very little, possibly nothing. JMHO.
Good start to the weekend for the 'Cats. More growing pains on display, giving away a 3 goal lead (something you rarely see from an experienced and disciplined team), but with a 3rd period bounceback to earn the two points, it's all hopefully part of the learning process for this young UNH team. Now within one game of the .500 mark, and with a winnable road game tonight ... dare to dream those big dreams, folks!
Now for the ongoing dialogue about irrelevant vs. relevant statistics, the next chapter begins ...
GWG's which break ties in the 3rd period are VERY relevant and MOST meaningful. Let's not take my prior comments out of context (it's nice to know some of you are taking notes anyway
). Keep in mind those earlier comments were pointing out how Lowell's 3rd goal in their 8-2 win last Saturday night - scored midway through the first period IIRC - was considered a statistical "GWG". My arguments were that (1) that WAS a meaningless stat in that instance, and (2) not every game should necessitate a GWG (and no, I'm not talking ties).Now let's look at last night, and go one theoretical step further ... UNH scores their (Thrush?) ENG in the final minute of play, but (let's say) then NU scores a last-second goal to make the final score 5-4. We can all agree that's a meaningless goal, I hope??
Anyway, that leads to a simple, direct question. Which UNH player scored the GWG?
* Furgele with the go-ahead goal that gave UNH the lead for good with 6-7 minutes left to play in the 3rd?
* Thrush with his ENG in the final minute, which technically provided the margin of victory due to a late "garbage" goal?
My opinion is Furgele should get credit for the actual (and very legit) GWG, putting UNH ahead for good in the 3rd period.
Your local NCAA statistician would beg to differ, and "going by the book" they would award the GWG to Thrush.
I guess from my standpoint, a statistic should tell me something meaningful about a team OR offer me some meaning insight into a player. Ultimately, the most meaningful statistic - IF you subscribe to the basic statement "you play to win the game" anyway - is the league standings. Or the tournament bracket(s) later in the season. Statistics that offer insight into who wins and who loses, those are the ones I'm after.
Goals are what determine wins and losses. That's as basic as it gets.
SOG's don't give us that. And some GWG's mean very little, possibly nothing. JMHO.
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HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
IMHO the goal by JF was huge. UNH was struggling with puck possession and needed to settle in and get something going and there it was. Big milestone for him and it was another step in the learning curve for the young D.. In that game last night the ENG was important as well; provided much needed "insurance" given how we were playing. Until the score board was working no one knew how many SOG's there were so when it became apparent, it was pretty much even until the second period. Personally this fan doesn't care a hoot about SOG's...seen too many games where UNH puts up a ton and the outcome isn't always favorable Quality shots are what counts and the puck has to cross the goal line to score (ya think???) Great offensive teams do this without a ton of shots and they win games. We all like to win games, yes? Go 'Cats!
Good start to the weekend for the 'Cats. More growing pains on display, giving away a 3 goal lead (something you rarely see from an experienced and disciplined team), but with a 3rd period bounceback to earn the two points, it's all hopefully part of the learning process for this young UNH team. Now within one game of the .500 mark, and with a winnable road game tonight ... dare to dream those big dreams, folks!
Now for the ongoing dialogue about irrelevant vs. relevant statistics, the next chapter begins ...
GWG's which break ties in the 3rd period are VERY relevant and MOST meaningful. Let's not take my prior comments out of context (it's nice to know some of you are taking notes anyway
Now let's look at last night, and go one theoretical step further ... UNH scores their (Thrush?) ENG in the final minute of play, but (let's say) then NU scores a last-second goal to make the final score 5-4. We can all agree that's a meaningless goal, I hope??
Anyway, that leads to a simple, direct question. Which UNH player scored the GWG?
* Furgele with the go-ahead goal that gave UNH the lead for good with 6-7 minutes left to play in the 3rd?
* Thrush with his ENG in the final minute, which technically provided the margin of victory due to a late "garbage" goal?
My opinion is Furgele should get credit for the actual (and very legit) GWG, putting UNH ahead for good in the 3rd period.
Your local NCAA statistician would beg to differ, and "going by the book" they would award the GWG to Thrush.
I guess from my standpoint, a statistic should tell me something meaningful about a team OR offer me some meaning insight into a player. Ultimately, the most meaningful statistic - IF you subscribe to the basic statement "you play to win the game" anyway - is the league standings. Or the tournament bracket(s) later in the season. Statistics that offer
Goals are what determine wins and losses.
SOG's don't give us that. And some GWG's mean very little, possibly nothing. JMHO.
IMHO the goal by JF was huge. UNH was struggling with puck possession and needed to settle in and get something going and there it was. Big milestone for him and it was another step in the learning curve for the young D.. In that game last night the ENG was important as well; provided much needed "insurance" given how we were playing. Until the score board was working no one knew how many SOG's there were so when it became apparent, it was pretty much even until the second period. Personally this fan doesn't care a hoot about SOG's...seen too many games where UNH puts up a ton and the outcome isn't always favorable
Quality shots are what counts and the puck has to cross the goal line to score (ya think???) Great offensive teams do this without a ton of shots and they win games. We all like to win games, yes? Go 'Cats!
Darius
Go 'cats!
Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
No disagreement, but we might get one from Kingsbury Hall. Statistics are numbers, objective not subjective. It must always be considered that any one number may be out of the meaningful range, but in the aggregate they tell a story. I am having flashbacks to college and the term standard deviation.
The hit/error in baseball is assigned subjectively and often assigned or even changed based on who the scorer, fielder and hitter (Ortiz) are. A reliever can enter a game, blow a save and hang in for a win. Both are ludicrous when taken as isolated individual statistics, but tell a story over the long term.
How about the football win/loss when leading after the end of the 3rd period stat? It is presented as if a team that can manage to attain a lead at the end of 3 is likely to win because of the lead. Wrong. They are likely to win for the same reason they have the lead – they are a good team.
No disagreement, but we might get one from Kingsbury Hall. Statistics are numbers, objective not subjective. It must always be considered that any one number may be out of the meaningful range, but in the aggregate they tell a story. I am having flashbacks to college and the term standard deviation.
The hit/error in baseball is assigned subjectively and often assigned or even changed based on who the scorer, fielder and hitter (Ortiz) are. A reliever can enter a game, blow a save and hang in for a win. Both are ludicrous when taken as isolated individual statistics, but tell a story over the long term.
How about the football win/loss when leading after the end of the 3rd period stat? It is presented as if a team that can manage to attain a lead at the end of 3 is likely to win because of the lead. Wrong. They are likely to win for the same reason they have the lead – they are a good team.
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One of my fav hockey stats is individual +/-, which I think might answer HRs question about why Randall (+3) is playing instead of Quast (-5). Although Randall was on ice and partially screened Clark on NU's second goal (BTW a really nice SOG), he played solid overall (Randall was not on ice in favor of Willows on the PP for Furgele's really fine SOG, which turned into his first career div 1 goal, besides being the GWG (thankfully NU was not able to score in the final 45 seconds to take that away from him). Willows continues to lead team with +7, which should not surprise anyone here, followed by Downing (+5), Maller (+4), Correale (+3) and Randall (+3, only 3 games, but I think that Umile should keep rolling him out there, as this is a great, feel good story for the Durham townie), and Pesce (+2, with +3 last night, and a lot of minutes).
My question is why did NU continue on PP after their first goal, which was at the opposite end of rink from me?
And, finally, BS35+1, we want a jumbotron, and we want it now! The blackened score clock through the first period was an an utter embarrassment, and would have been for any high school venue, as well. Moreover, it seems to me that any losing team could use such an infrastructure failure for an official protest.
One of my fav hockey stats is individual +/-, which I think might answer HRs question about why Randall (+3) is playing instead of Quast (-5). Although Randall was on ice and partially screened Clark on NU's second goal (BTW a really nice SOG), he played solid overall (Randall was not on ice in favor of Willows on the PP for Furgele's really fine SOG, which turned into his first career div 1 goal, besides being the GWG (thankfully NU was not able to score in the final 45 seconds to take that away from him). Willows continues to lead team with +7, which should not surprise anyone here, followed by Downing (+5), Maller (+4), Correale (+3) and Randall (+3, only 3 games, but I think that Umile should keep rolling him out there, as this is a great, feel good story for the Durham townie), and Pesce (+2, with +3 last night, and a lot of minutes).
My question is why did NU continue on PP after their first goal, which was at the opposite end of rink from me?
And, finally, BS35+1, we want a jumbotron, and we want it now! The blackened score clock through the first period was an an utter embarrassment, and would have been for any high school venue, as well. Moreover, it seems to me that any losing team could use such an infrastructure failure for an official protest.
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
Good points about stats that actually have meaning (and that I understand haha) lol. And thanks for the Quast pov. Yeah I'm happy for Randall too!!! Wasn't the reason NU stayed on the PP after their goal was due to the fact it was a major penalty? Which it was on Correale (I think) from the rule book:
The most serious rules violations result in major penalties, and possibly fines and suspensions. A major penalty lasts for five minutes, and it doesn't end if the team on the power play scores.
Hubby pointed out the NU player got right back into the mix (glad he was ok of course..) As per your score board comment, totally agree. As I mentioned earlier, I'm surprised this didn't come up in any of JM's points in his post game comments (at least, the one's I read). Loved the facebook comment from a UNH fan regarding the scoreboard: "how can we have nice things when we can't take care of crappy things" or something like that. No truer words were ever spoken.
Good points about stats that actually have meaning (and that I understand haha) lol. And thanks for the Quast pov. Yeah I'm happy for Randall too!!! Wasn't the reason NU stayed on the PP after their goal was due to the fact it was a major penalty? Which it was on Correale (I think) from the rule book:
The most serious rules violations result in major penalties, and possibly fines and suspensions. A major penalty lasts for five minutes, and it doesn't end if the team on the power play scores.
Hubby pointed out the NU player got right back into the mix (glad he was ok of course..) As per your score board comment, totally agree. As I mentioned earlier, I'm surprised this didn't come up in any of JM's points in his post game comments (at least, the one's I read). Loved the facebook comment from a UNH fan regarding the scoreboard: "how can we have nice things when we can't take care of crappy things" or something like that. No truer words were ever spoken.
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
Ok, you are correct, HR, it was a 5 min major to Correale for interference, which I think is questionable for an open-ice hit when the opposing player has his head down. Fortunately, NU only got one PPG before they negated their PP with their own 2 min minor (make up call?) for the final minute or so.
Ok, you are correct, HR, it was a 5 min major to Correale for interference, which I think is questionable for an open-ice hit when the opposing player has his head down. Fortunately, NU only got one PPG before they negated their PP with their own 2 min minor (make up call?) for the final minute or so.
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
yeah we kind of threw up our hands on that call...we are steeling ourselves for the officiating tonight...
yeah we kind of threw up our hands on that call...we are steeling ourselves for the officiating tonight...
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!
For what it's worth, I have a lot of time for individual +/-. It can be shaded if an effective player is paired with ineffective players at times (or vice-versa), so it's not foolproof. But ultimately it tells me about goals AND two-way play at even strength.
TRIVIA QUESTION: Name the only two NHL players in history to exceed a +100 in a single season?
'Fraid we'll have to wait 'til the West Stadium project is done. UNH can only upgrade one HS-level facility at a time.
For what it's worth, I have a lot of time for individual +/-. It can be shaded if an effective player is paired with ineffective players at times (or vice-versa), so it's not foolproof. But ultimately it tells me about goals AND two-way play at even strength.
TRIVIA QUESTION: Name the only two NHL players in history to exceed a +100 in a single season?
'Fraid we'll have to wait 'til the West Stadium project is done. UNH can only upgrade one HS-level facility at a time.
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