Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Face offs vs UMass:
UNH won 17 ..... UMass won 22
Face offs vs UMass:
UNH won 17 ..... UMass won 22
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UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
And, the Cats outshot the Minutemen 28-22!
And, the Cats outshot the Minutemen 28-22!
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Ok, you guys must right, face off wins mean diddly.
Ok, you guys must right, face off wins mean diddly.
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
It was an awesome win...and you are right; much needed! Kind of a newbie ice hockey fan and have seen 3 of their games this season. Have to say much improved on the attack but would like to see that powerplay get better... At any rate, glad to see the team play well!
It was an awesome win...and you are right; much needed! Kind of a newbie ice hockey fan and have seen 3 of their games this season. Have to say much improved on the attack but would like to see that powerplay get better...
At any rate, glad to see the team play well!
Chuck Murray
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Thanks Aerman. Good to see reading comprehension is still alive and well out there.
Thanks Aerman. Good to see reading comprehension is still alive and well out there.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Maybe your GPA will actually go up if you are forced to defend some of your beliefs? Unless of course there is no further room for GPA improvement ... because after all, your success in life will be driven entirely by your GPA, right? Stats never lie. etc. Just checking to see how dedicated you are to your worship of numbers. 
I'll make this simpler. You initially said that UNH has "two very capable goalies" or something to that effect, corred? Now even you are down to DeSmith being "solid" yet "streaky" ... and surprise surprise, I agree with that assessment.
Wyer's play to date in his career has only gone to prove (to me at least) that playing well in low-pressure situations isn't the same as being the starting goalie. It's that whole "clutch" thingie, grace under pressure, etc. But I know that's a verboten concept for the advanced analytics generation, correct? Because if I recall correctly, there is no such thing as "clutch", and this stuff all evens out in the end. Agree/disagree??
See, I think that bit right there in bold explains the basic root of our disagreement. You work on the assumption that ALL players give equal effort, and if you really do believe this to be the case, then I will have to hold to my previous comments about you being "naive" about this. That's a HUGE assumption you're making, and if you really do believe that, then I think you are missing the basic essence of athletic competition in a team sport like hockey.
Serious question (and I'm not trying to be a wise guy here) - have you ever played competitive sports where you had to go head-to-head with an opponent (not baseball)? And assuming you have ... were you out there competing your ***** off, or were you simply waiting for the game to come your way, waiting for your team's turn to be "lucky"?
Maybe your GPA will actually go up if you are forced to defend some of your beliefs?
Unless of course there is no further room for GPA improvement ... because after all, your success in life will be driven entirely by your GPA, right? Stats never lie. etc. Just checking to see how dedicated you are to your worship of numbers. I'll make this simpler. You initially said that UNH has "two very capable goalies" or something to that effect, corred? Now even you are down to DeSmith being "solid" yet "streaky" ... and surprise surprise, I agree with that assessment.
Wyer's play to date in his career has only gone to prove (to me at least) that playing well in low-pressure situations isn't the same as being the starting goalie. It's that whole "clutch" thingie, grace under pressure, etc. But I know that's a verboten concept for the advanced analytics generation, correct? Because if I recall correctly, there is no such thing as "clutch", and this stuff all evens out in the end. Agree/disagree??See, I think that bit right there in bold explains the basic root of our disagreement. You work on the assumption that ALL players give equal effort, and if you really do believe this to be the case, then I will have to hold to my previous comments about you being "naive" about this. That's a HUGE assumption you're making, and if you really do believe that, then I think you are missing the basic essence of athletic competition in a team sport like hockey.
Serious question (and I'm not trying to be a wise guy here) - have you ever played competitive sports where you had to go head-to-head with an opponent (not baseball)? And assuming you have ... were you out there competing your ***** off, or were you simply waiting for the game to come your way, waiting for your team's turn to be "lucky"?
CrazedUNHfan
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I will try and take you at your word that you are not being a wise guy but it seems like a stretch. I was varsity hockey, lacrosse, and I was on the varsity track and cross country teams depending on how you define sports. I was always "out there competing my ***** off" and that is why I played. But I don't know how long its been since you've been on a team but you must remember what the lockerroom was like. There is no player that finishes a game that hasn't gone out there and given it their all for the team. All players might not give an equal effort but to state that one team noticeably works harder than another is just not true. There is a reason they play college hockey, you have to have talent and work hard to make it this far. No matter how hard you work our how talented the team is things happen in a game that no one has control over. That is why no team is 82-0 in the regular season and no team is 0-82.
On that note I cant keep up this posting I have things I need to do with my life. This board really sucks you in and I think we will have to agree to disagree.
I will try and take you at your word that you are not being a wise guy but it seems like a stretch. I was varsity hockey, lacrosse, and I was on the varsity track and cross country teams depending on how you define sports. I was always "out there competing my ***** off" and that is why I played. But I don't know how long its been since you've been on a team but you must remember what the lockerroom was like. There is no player that finishes a game that hasn't gone out there and given it their all for the team. All players might not give an equal effort but to state that one team noticeably works harder than another is just not true. There is a reason they play college hockey, you have to have talent and work hard to make it this far. No matter how hard you work our how talented the team is things happen in a game that no one has control over. That is why no team is 82-0 in the regular season and no team is 0-82.
On that note I cant keep up this posting I have things I need to do with my life. This board really sucks you in and I think we will have to agree to disagree.
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Probably the best strategy at this point Crazed. FWIW you put up a good fight and held your own against a seasoned combatant. Keep posting. You added an interesting perspective and it sounds like you have relevant experience to fall back on. Also, I agree with you that UNH's results so far do not accurately reflect their effort.
Probably the best strategy at this point Crazed. FWIW you put up a good fight and held your own against a seasoned combatant. Keep posting. You added an interesting perspective and it sounds like you have relevant experience to fall back on. Also, I agree with you that UNH's results so far do not accurately reflect their effort.
Chuck Murray
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Before going back to our discussion ... first wanted to give kudos to Justin Agosta for stepping up with a pair of goals last night to get the 'Cats back into the win column. And a solid if unspectacluar performance by DeSmith, with a much-improved effort by the players in front of him. It would be nice to see the team finish off a sweep tonight. Not the end of the world if they don't, but it's a stretch in the schedule where there is an opportunity to get things righted, so let's hope they take full advantage. Now ...
I couldn't disagree more. If only because what constitutes "giving it their all" almost certainly varies widely from player to player. And beyond that, it is also channeled through the players' varied backgrounds, and largely dictated by the coaches and programs they've played for - previously AND currently. "Noticeable" or not, those are big differences in how a given player approaches the game. There ARE players who do not like physical contact, and will fade out of a game that's played at a certain "compete level", even at the highest competitive levels (see 2011 Cup Finals, Canucks, Vancouver). There ARE players who would not put themselves at risk to block an opponent's shot. Maybe that's not a big deal in a 5-0 game in the 3rd period ... but it's a BIG deal if it's a tie or one-goal game late, and it's a HUGE deal if you're in an elimination game. To just say everyone is the same effort-wise because you have to be so good to get to this level of play ... again, I couldn't disagree with you more.
So let me ask you this question, because I really would be interested to get your answer. Again, just to sound out your foundation on the importance of SOG and/or faceoff stats (and I'll open this up to the other posters as well) ...
* Let's say that Team 1 ends the period with a 2-0 lead. Then Team 2 outshoots Team 1 by a 30-15 margin for the last two (-plus?) periods, and enjoys a 20-10 edge in faceoffs. Not saying how many goals are actually scored by either team in the 2nd and 3rd periods (and possible OT) ... so, at the end of the first period, would you rather be Team 1, OR are you comfortable with the statistical inevitability of Team 2 - with more shots AND better faceoffs - making up the deficit to earn at least a tie?
I noticed you avoided the discussion of the whole "clutch" concept, so I'll assume you aren't entirely opposed to that actually being a valid, non-leveled intangibe.
Yes it does, and yes - we will probably have to agree to disagree. At least until you come around and see the light. 
Before going back to our discussion ... first wanted to give kudos to Justin Agosta for stepping up with a pair of goals last night to get the 'Cats back into the win column. And a solid if unspectacluar performance by DeSmith, with a much-improved effort by the players in front of him. It would be nice to see the team finish off a sweep tonight. Not the end of the world if they don't, but it's a stretch in the schedule where there is an opportunity to get things righted, so let's hope they take full advantage.
Now ...I couldn't disagree more. If only because what constitutes "giving it their all" almost certainly varies widely from player to player. And beyond that, it is also channeled through the players' varied backgrounds, and largely dictated by the coaches and programs they've played for - previously AND currently. "Noticeable" or not, those are big differences in how a given player approaches the game. There ARE players who do not like physical contact, and will fade out of a game that's played at a certain "compete level", even at the highest competitive levels (see 2011 Cup Finals, Canucks, Vancouver). There ARE players who would not put themselves at risk to block an opponent's shot. Maybe that's not a big deal in a 5-0 game in the 3rd period ... but it's a BIG deal if it's a tie or one-goal game late, and it's a HUGE deal if you're in an elimination game. To just say everyone is the same effort-wise because you have to be so good to get to this level of play ... again, I couldn't disagree with you more.
So let me ask you this question, because I really would be interested to get your answer. Again, just to sound out your foundation on the importance of SOG and/or faceoff stats (and I'll open this up to the other posters as well) ...
* Let's say that Team 1 ends the period with a 2-0 lead. Then Team 2 outshoots Team 1 by a 30-15 margin for the last two (-plus?) periods, and enjoys a 20-10 edge in faceoffs. Not saying how many goals are actually scored by either team in the 2nd and 3rd periods (and possible OT) ... so, at the end of the first period, would you rather be Team 1, OR are you comfortable with the statistical inevitability of Team 2 - with more shots AND better faceoffs - making up the deficit to earn at least a tie?
I noticed you avoided the discussion of the whole "clutch" concept, so I'll assume you aren't entirely opposed to that actually being a valid, non-leveled intangibe.
Yes it does, and yes - we will probably have to agree to disagree. At least until you come around and see the light.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
That might be the nicest thing you've ever said about me, e-cat. I'm flattered.
FWIW, I do hope he continues to post, and I'm pretty sure we ALL want to see UNH succeed. We just differ in our opinions on what constitutes success, and how to get there. That's a good thing. There are no easy answers (and that in part fuels my dislike of a purely analytical approach to hockey). It arguably kinda works on some stuff in baseball (much to the sport's overall detriment IMHO), but I just think it's very superficial in hockey. You can agree or disagree. It;s more fun on here with give and take.
As far as participation on these boards ... the more, the merrier. To me, vigorous debate on what we disagree on beats the "you're OK-I'm OK' mentality every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I've tried to climb down a little bit on the rhetoric in more recent posts, but I'm still very much engaged in the issues we're discussing, because I do think it's a very relevant issue with where the UNH program has been in the past, and where they find themselves in the present. Plus, it'a all good, clean fun, isn't it?
That might be the nicest thing you've ever said about me, e-cat. I'm flattered.
FWIW, I do hope he continues to post, and I'm pretty sure we ALL want to see UNH succeed. We just differ in our opinions on what constitutes success, and how to get there. That's a good thing. There are no easy answers (and that in part fuels my dislike of a purely analytical approach to hockey). It arguably kinda works on some stuff in baseball (much to the sport's overall detriment IMHO), but I just think it's very superficial in hockey. You can agree or disagree. It;s more fun on here with give and take.
As far as participation on these boards ... the more, the merrier. To me, vigorous debate on what we disagree on beats the "you're OK-I'm OK' mentality every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I've tried to climb down a little bit on the rhetoric in more recent posts, but I'm still very much engaged in the issues we're discussing, because I do think it's a very relevant issue with where the UNH program has been in the past, and where they find themselves in the present. Plus, it'a all good, clean fun, isn't it?
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
How many of us would rather have this year's team, with no points given for the closely battled games we've played vs some of the countries best, or last years 14-1 record where we truly coasted into the playoffs? I'm hoping that the team will realize how much extra it takes to win the game, and with that realization a stronger, complete team will have a better second half of the season....what say you all?
How many of us would rather have this year's team, with no points given for the closely battled games we've played vs some of the countries best, or last years 14-1 record where we truly coasted into the playoffs? I'm hoping that the team will realize how much extra it takes to win the game, and with that realization a stronger, complete team will have a better second half of the season....what say you all?
CollegeHockeyRinkReport
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http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/hoc...day-recap-providence-unh-sweep-lowell-falters
UNH took out its frustration on UMass to the tune of 13-1 on the weekend.
http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/hoc...day-recap-providence-unh-sweep-lowell-falters
UNH took out its frustration on UMass to the tune of 13-1 on the weekend.
FiveHole12
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And all that with no SOG... because SOG don't matter. Frickin awesome!
And all that with no SOG... because SOG don't matter. Frickin awesome!
Before going back to our discussion ... first wanted to give kudos to Justin Agosta for stepping up with a pair of goals last night to get the 'Cats back into the win column.
* Let's say that Team 1 ends the period with a 2-0 lead. Then Team 2 outshoots Team 1 by a 30-15 margin for the last two (-plus?) periods, and enjoys a 20-10 edge in faceoffs. Not saying how many goals are actually scored by either team in the 2nd and 3rd periods (and possible OT) ... so, at the end of the first period, would you rather be Team 1, OR are you comfortable with the statistical inevitability of Team 2 - with more shots AND better faceoffs - making up the deficit to earn at least a tie?
I thought that you also would mention that only one of the four goals on Friday night was scored by a forward? But, the forwards, too, came through on Saturday night on offense, against a really bad team. Glad that I have not been a UMass hockey fan the past 20 years. I do not think that their fans even have a team thread on this board.
But, on to the proposition. Of course, anyone would prefer the 2-0 lead at the end of the first period. But, if not knowing the score at the end of the game, I would certainly like Team 2's chances for having come out on top given those lopsided shot and face off win differentials for Team 2, as I agree with Crazed that these stats mean something. But, I also do not think that out-shooting the River Hawks the previous Friday night meant a hill of beans given the quality of shots.
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Exactly the comment that I made in different words earlier in the thread, that I would rather see the team win more games in the second half than they did last year. I am remembering all those years that BC would slumber through the season until around mid-January, then run the table, or nearly so, to the Frozen Four and a NC.
And, speaking of BC, I heard that Jerwy York extended his contract through the the 1920-1921 season? What say you, Dick Umile?
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