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UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

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I heard that Jerwy York extended his contract through the the 1920-1921 season? What say you, Dick Umile?

Coach Umile has a virtual lifetime contract at UNH, barring something happening as did with Coach Parker's program during the last year.

I truly believe Coach Umile will remain behind the UNH bench as long as he wants to.
 
How many of us would rather have this year's team, with no points given for the closely battled games we've played vs some of the countries best, or last years 14-1 record where we truly coasted into the playoffs? I'm hoping that the team will realize how much extra it takes to win the game, and with that realization a stronger, complete team will have a better second half of the season....what say you all?

THIS is a terrific post. 100% Agreed.
 
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That might be the nicest thing you've ever said about me, e-cat. I'm flattered.

FWIW, I do hope he continues to post, and I'm pretty sure we ALL want to see UNH succeed. We just differ in our opinions on what constitutes success, and how to get there. That's a good thing. There are no easy answers (and that in part fuels my dislike of a purely analytical approach to hockey). It arguably kinda works on some stuff in baseball (much to the sport's overall detriment IMHO), but I just think it's very superficial in hockey. You can agree or disagree. It;s more fun on here with give and take.

As far as participation on these boards ... the more, the merrier. To me, vigorous debate on what we disagree on beats the "you're OK-I'm OK' mentality every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I've tried to climb down a little bit on the rhetoric in more recent posts, but I'm still very much engaged in the issues we're discussing, because I do think it's a very relevant issue with where the UNH program has been in the past, and where they find themselves in the present. Plus, it'a all good, clean fun, isn't it? :)


I've mellowed over the years;)

Totally agree with the rest of your post. The debate makes the board a lot more interesting. I think it takes a lot of balls for a UNH student to put it out there on this board though with the resultant fallout that might accompany. Kudos to Crazed for taking the risk.
 
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Not for nuthin' but I guess UNH had some quality SOG last night:)
 
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Bruins back on track by winning past two games against teams with only UNH alums playing in NHL, if I am not mistaken?
 
Bruins back on track by winning past two games against teams with only UNH alums playing in NHL, if I am not mistaken?

How could you forget JVR?!? who had the shoot out winner for the Leafs the other night. Bruins Last two wins were against Anaheim and Florida. Ducks have Winnik but Butler is now with Florida's AHL team, San Antonio I think.
 
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I couldn't disagree more. If only because what constitutes "giving it their all" almost certainly varies widely from player to player. And beyond that, it is also channeled through the players' varied backgrounds, and largely dictated by the coaches and programs they've played for - previously AND currently. "Noticeable" or not, those are big differences in how a given player approaches the game. There ARE players who do not like physical contact, and will fade out of a game that's played at a certain "compete level", even at the highest competitive levels (see 2011 Cup Finals, Canucks, Vancouver). There ARE players who would not put themselves at risk to block an opponent's shot. Maybe that's not a big deal in a 5-0 game in the 3rd period ... but it's a BIG deal if it's a tie or one-goal game late, and it's a HUGE deal if you're in an elimination game. To just say everyone is the same effort-wise because you have to be so good to get to this level of play ... again, I couldn't disagree with you more.

So let me ask you this question, because I really would be interested to get your answer. Again, just to sound out your foundation on the importance of SOG and/or faceoff stats (and I'll open this up to the other posters as well) ...

* Let's say that Team 1 ends the period with a 2-0 lead. Then Team 2 outshoots Team 1 by a 30-15 margin for the last two (-plus?) periods, and enjoys a 20-10 edge in faceoffs. Not saying how many goals are actually scored by either team in the 2nd and 3rd periods (and possible OT) ... so, at the end of the first period, would you rather be Team 1, OR are you comfortable with the statistical inevitability of Team 2 - with more shots AND better faceoffs - making up the deficit to earn at least a tie? :confused:

I noticed you avoided the discussion of the whole "clutch" concept, so I'll assume you aren't entirely opposed to that actually being a valid, non-leveled intangibe. :)

I think you are mixing up physicality with effort. I don't think that its a valid claim to say that somehow one team will have 20 people that somehow where brought up "lazy" and another team has 20 players that all are hard workers. Some teams are not as physical but I don't believe that makes a big difference unless you're in a nhl playoff series.

And on the clutch concept I read a chapter on clutch hitting in baseball in a book I read and I don't remember the outcome. But I also have never seen any articles on that in hockey.

On the shots total the corsi statistic takes the score into account. Here is a brief explanation of the statistic if you care to take a look
http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2011/7/29/2290643/understanding-advanced-stats-part-one-corsi-fenwick
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

I've mellowed over the years;)

Totally agree with the rest of your post. The debate makes the board a lot more interesting. I think it takes a lot of balls for a UNH student to put it out there on this board though with the resultant fallout that might accompany. Kudos to Crazed for taking the risk.

Thank you for your support. I have been following UNH hockey since I was a kid and it takes more than a nice debate to scare me off.
 
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Good confidence-boosting win for the 'Cats last night, and a good bounce-back weekend with two conference wins. Also very good to see the scoring spread out among so many different players. Must have made the long ride back from Amherst last night a lot more tolerable. Only saw bits and pieces of Friday night's game, but the biggest difference I saw out there from some of the previous games is that the overall team defense was a lot more focused and effective. Like the best stretches of last season, players being defensively responsible up and down the ice, and not leaving it solely up to the defensive pairing to take care of business in their own half, makes a difference.

This week, with Brown visiting on Tuesday night, and the home-and-home Northeastern series over the weekend, it's a good opportunity to continue these good habits, build some momentum, and then hit the next (projected) challenging section of the schedule - hopefully with better results than those from Minnesota/Michigan/RPI/Lowell stretch.

Looks like we're all on board with the idea of a UNH team that plays better, more competitive hockey after the calendar turns over to 2014. :)

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Now, for the whole SOG discussion ... last night there was a very interesting contrast in two HE games, where SOG totals were fairly similar. UNH @ UMA and NU @ UML ... in both games, the SOG's were either even or very close after the first period (7-7 in Amherst, and 10-9 in Lowell), but in both games, the road team emerged with the lead at the end of the first period (UNH 3-0 and NU 2-1).

Over the balance of the game (2nd and 3rd periods combined), SOG's in Amherst moved to a 10 shot advantage for UNH (26-16), which pulled away and won 9-0. However, in Lowell, while the Riverhawks outshot the Huskies 24-14, they were unable to overcome NU's early lead - UML did tie things in the second period, but NU regained the lead by the end of the period - and dropped a 4-2 decision to the Huskies.

Did UMA quit and/or lose their focus in the second period on Saturday night? Probably.

Did NU adapt a more defensive strategy - eschewing some attacking (and SOG) opportunities to try to preserve a one-goal lead at Lowell? Probably.

Interestingly ... on Friday night in Durham, the SOG's were also pretty comparable (in UNH's favor) to the two Saturday games I've mentioned above.

So what does that tell us - just comparing these 3 games played by four HE teams in mid-November with similar end-of-game SOG totals?

* The team with more SOG's won twice, and lost once;
* The team that won each game did NOT trail (goals) after one period;
* The team that won each game led the game (goals) after two periods

Other examples drawn from UNH's games earlier in the season include the following:

* Clarkson outshot UNH in the first period (and overall), but UNH never trailed and won handily 4-1;
* Minnesota led after 2 periods, and held on for a 3-2 win despite UNH outshooting them in the 3rd period;
* Michigan led after one period, and held on for a tie after being outshot 27-9 over the final 45 minutes;
* The following evening, Michigan won in OT, SOG's were vrtually even, and both teams had brief mid-period leads earlier in the game;
* RPI took a two-goal lead into the first break, and held on to win 4-2 despite being outshot 27-13 by UNH in the last two periods;
* UML beat UNH at home 5-3, leading after the first two periods, while UNH outshot the Riverhawks 26-19 the last two period, and 37-27 overall;
* The following evening, UML led after two periods, and eventually won in OT despite UNH outshooting them 11-5 in the 3rd period and OT

I mentioned a scenario a few posts ago, which posed a basic "do you prefer playing with an early lead?" question. I think this small sample of games above feeds my personal preference that it is FAR more important to come out prepared from the opening faceoff, set the tone from the outset, spend your team's energy getting ahead in the game, and then letting your opponent expend their energy for the rest of the game trying to reverse things.

Maybe the game that offered the most stark example of the "score first and set the tone" approach (at least in my mind) was the 1999 Hockey East Finals between UNH and BC. This was a game between two teams that had gotten to the Frozen Four in 1998 (UNH lost to Michigan in the semis, and BC lost to Michigan in OT in the Finals), while in the weeks that followed the 1999 HE Finals, BC would lose to UMaine in the semis, and then UNH would lose to UMaine in OT in the Finals). So two evenly-matched teams/programs at the time, on paper ... and at the time, both BC and UNH enjoying similar post-season reputations as the teams that just couldn't seal the deal in the Frozen Four (my, how times have changed in little over a decade now :( ). So ... how does the 1999 HE Finals play out?

* BC scores three early goals, and then answers a UNH goal quickly to lead 4-1 after one period;
* UNH carries the play for the last two periods, getting two quick ones in the second period, and one late in the 3rd to tie things up and force OT;
* BC comes out and dominates OT, and UNH looks totally spent, with Blake Bellefeiulle making it official about midway through the first OT (5-4 BC)

I tried to find the SOG stats for that game, but couldn't find them, but I would be surprised if they didn't favor UNH heavily after the first period. But I don't think UNH breathed heavily on Scott Clemmenson during the entirety of the OT, while Ty Conklin was peppered behind a retreating UNH defense before the game-winner.

In some ways, it was a gallant effort by UNH to dig out of two separate 3-goal deficits. But they never led in the game, and when it mattered, BC was dominant.

So when I say SOG's are really not important, and are only a very superficial measure of any given game ... it's only because from my time playing and coaching competitive team sports, I've always felt there was more value towards getting off to a good start with good preparation (tactical and mental), making that count early in the game, setting a tone, and forcing an opponent to play outside of its own comfort zone to try to claw the outcome away from us. It's not a foolproof formula - nothing is - but I'll put my money on this approach, and leave the SOG numbers to everyone else. JMHO.
 
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I think you are mixing up physicality with effort. I don't think that its a valid claim to say that somehow one team will have 20 people that somehow where brought up "lazy" and another team has 20 players that all are hard workers. Some teams are not as physical but I don't believe that makes a big difference unless you're in a nhl playoff series.

I take it you don't consider physicality as part of a player's overall effort? I know I do. :)
 
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Just reading and catching up to the SOG debate...but of you youngsters will look back at when we first ayes the Russians in '72'. We always outshot them 3/1 or 4/1 but they had more goals....Chuck Murray has it cold, as there really is no correlation between SOG and goal totals. Great to see the men get some satisfaction...they deserve some points...btw Gents, the women's team is coming alive as well! And the field hockey team won their division and are onto the NCAA's! Go UNH!!!
 
How could you forget JVR?!? who had the shoot out winner for the Leafs the other night. Bruins Last two wins were against Anaheim and Florida. Ducks have Winnik but Butler is now with Florida's AHL team, San Antonio I think.

I was referring to the Bs win over JVR and the Leafs last night, which was their first meeting since the Bs improbable comeback last postseason. However, I forgot that the Bs beat the Panthers on Thursday night. So, I should have written two of Bs last three wins, as I was thinking Dan Winnik and the Ducks, and not Bobby Butler.
 
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Thank you for your support. I have been following UNH hockey since I was a kid and it takes more than a nice debate to scare me off.


No problem and glad to hear you can withstand the onslaught that can happen here sometimes:) It's all in good fun though:rolleyes:

BTW, I think good goal tending trumps SOG. Even though SOG can be a misleading stat in many ways, most people look at SOG and not at the quality of the SOG. So if a team has a high SOG vs. their opponent but loses the game they use that as an argument against SOG as a meaningful stat. SOG in and of itself does not take into account the quality of the SOG or the performance of the goalie. The shot chart is probably a more meaningful indicator of a sample of SOG. JMHO
 
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Don't think I said "write off UNH." If I was ... I wouldn't still be watching them after 46 years as a ticket holder. Your right .... the student section is the best since the Snively days.
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