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UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

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Nick Papagiorgio said:
First, I lumped them in and stated why, they are two academic institutions that employ dumb people that make bad decisions. Nothing more. Nothing less. Two examples that apply to the above... particularly in the way they've handled an athletic issue from legal to PR to the university presidency. Maybe Rutgers is more appropriate to lump in with UNH given that neither school has ever won anything of athletic significance in their entire athletic department's history (and both dealt with alleged abusive coaches). Would that make you feel better if I said UNH and Rutgers?

Second, I really don't give a crap about UNH women's hockey. Or any women's hockey for that matter.

And third, if I did hate UNH (false), why would I differentiate between the school and their already fired coach? If I hated their "team" wouldn't I support the administration on this one?

Fourth, I don't think it's speculation at all to state the obvious, that someone crafted the press release to imply sexual misconduct without saying so much. There is no report anywhere refuting what physical contact was made. Do you have a brain that can do any independent thinking regarding this point? Or are you sticking with blurting out the word "speculation"?
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Apparently, the fact that I am right has hit a nerve with you. Yes, you know that they employ dumb people because you are so intimately involved with the inner workings of the University. You know very little and spout off as an expert when all you do is speculate. Yes, speculate...like I said before. You know so little about what is really happening but pretend that you are an almighty expert. Frankly, it is annoying to read. Usually, I bypass your posts without reading them and I guess I am to blame for making an exception to my rule in this case.
 
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Czarry said:
You do know that Scarano is a Penn State grad...
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Yes, but what happened at PSU was despicable beyond words and I don't think it is like any other situation that I have ever seen and hopefully will ever see.
 
Wildcat13 said:
Yes, but what happened at PSU was despicable beyond words and I don't think it is like any other situation that I have ever seen and hopefully will ever see.
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Perhaps not similar in degree, but both situations badly mishandled with people's lives, livelihoods and reputations at stake..
 
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So the troll has you explaining the difference between the despicable acts at Penn State, and the firing of a Womens Hockey coach at UNH. I'm beginning to wonder if the dumb ones are my fellow fans.
 
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A former player and close friend to my family I spoke with said she is surprised it took this long for McCloskey to finally blow up. She said he has a "violent temper".

Don't shoot the messenger.
 
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Czarry said:
Perhaps not similar in degree, but both situations badly mishandled with people's lives, livelihoods and reputations at stake..
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Agreed. Fair statement. Certainly this is not even close to comparable in degree OR scope, but still very very poorly handled, with lives/careers and reputations at stake.
 
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GoUNH said:
A former player and close friend to my family I spoke with said she is surprised it took this long for McCloskey to finally blow up. She said he has a "violent temper".

Don't shoot the messenger.
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Hmmmm, violent temper, huh? That really clouds the whole issue. Maybe ole Marty is on to something that needed fixing. It is possible MClosk has the personality that makes his players feel like they're boxed in and cant do anything right so they get very frustrated and McCloskey just jumps all over that with his temper. Maybe this issue is not clear cut at all.
 
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I believe McCloskey is passionate about the sport, says exactly what's on his mind, and yes, has a temper. "Violent?" That can be taken a lot of ways. I believe he's a screamer, but not physical. My suspicion is his oldest former players like him best and it goes downhill over time, not because he has changed but because we have a generation of serious candy-a's on our hands now. Oh, boo-hoo, coach yelled at me.

Get over it, and get off my lawn! :mad:
 
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Why don't you people get it....??? This is not about what Mckloskey did or whether it reached the threshold to fire him....this is all about how it was handled by Scarano and the powers that be....the sexual innuendos in their press release that have ruined his career/reputation/and livelihood...Mckloskey is accountable for his actions....those who defamed him should be held accountable for theirs.
 
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Czarry said:
Why don't you people get it....??? This is not about what Mckloskey did or whether it reached the threshold to fire him....this is all about how it was handled by Scarano and the powers that be....the sexual innuendos in their press release that have ruined his career/reputation/and livelihood...Mckloskey is accountable for his actions....those who defamed him should be held accountable for theirs.
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I think most rational people "get it" ... but there are (1) some trolls on here lately looking to stir the pot, but really have no insight to add to the discussion (IGNORE), and (2) others who come bearing hearsay messages from purported anonymous sources about how this was apparently inevitable, to whom I would respectfully state that IF said sources were so certain that some terrible outcome was just over the horizon ... why did they not have the courage of their convictions way back when and actually DO or SAY something about it back then?? :confused: Logically, either they should be ashamed of themselves, OR (more likely) it really wasn't so bad as they might now want to say it was, and they are just happy to "pile on" given the opportunity, for whatever reason or motivation.

I do also believe Aerman has a point about the generational disconnect on what discipline is currently tolerated by players, as opposed to what were just normal routine discipline/respect for authority issues in the not-so-distant past. "Get off my lawn" indeed. ;) :)
 
Chuck Murray said:
I think most rational people "get it" ... but there are (1) some trolls on here lately looking to stir the pot, but really have no insight to add to the discussion (IGNORE), and (2) others who come bearing hearsay messages from purported anonymous sources about how this was apparently inevitable, to whom I would respectfully state that IF said sources were so certain that some terrible outcome was just over the horizon ... why did they not have the courage of their convictions way back when and actually DO or SAY something about it back then?? :confused: Logically, either they should be ashamed of themselves, OR (more likely) it really wasn't so bad as they might now want to say it was, and they are just happy to "pile on" given the opportunity, for whatever reason or motivation.

I do also believe Aerman has a point about the generational disconnect on what discipline is currently tolerated by players, as opposed to what were just normal routine discipline/respect for authority issues in the not-so-distant past. "Get off my lawn" indeed. ;) :)
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Being a high school teacher an umpire at the high school and college level for the past 30 plus years I can certainly vouch for the soft hides of this generation and absolutely would NOT go back into coaching for all the tea in China! Can't even look at them sideways without fear of damaging their fragile self esteems...Anyhoo ...should be interesting how this pans out! On another note...looking forward to the weekend play; what can we expect from the Big Green? Won/Loss records can be deceiving and I'm sue playing at the Verizon will bring out the best of both teams! We are doing the Margarita thing prior to the game and maybe "see" some of you there...Let's Go 'Cats!
 
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going beyond just the player for a minute. if i ever disrespected an authority figure such as a coach in this manner, my parents would have no problem with the coach grabbing me to get my full attention. they would have no sympathy for me.
 
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J.D. said:
going beyond just the player for a minute. if i ever disrespected an authority figure such as a coach in this manner, my parents would have no problem with the coach grabbing me to get my full attention. they would have no sympathy for me.
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Same here. And if there was anything left to address after Coach was done ... well, then they would finish the job.
 
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J.D. said:
going beyond just the player for a minute. if i ever disrespected an authority figure such as a coach in this manner, my parents would have no problem with the coach grabbing me to get my full attention. they would have no sympathy for me.
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I would not go back into coaching today and have to deal with "some" of the current player attitudes .... much less have to deal with their parents.

As J.D. indicated .... with respect to disrespecting an authority figure ....

If I got home from school and told my parents that I had to go to the principals office .... they would say, "what did you do?"
Nowadays many parents would say, "what did that teacher do?"
 
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Czarry said:
Why don't you people get it....??? This is not about what Mckloskey did or whether it reached the threshold to fire him....this is all about how it was handled by Scarano and the powers that be....the sexual innuendos in their press release that have ruined his career/reputation/and livelihood...Mckloskey is accountable for his actions....those who defamed him should be held accountable for theirs.
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Inappropriate physcial contact? How is that necessarily sexual? Grabbing someone by the shoulder and pulling them back isnt sexual. When Umile did that to one his players at a Vermont game years ago, that wasnt sexual contact.
 
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I played for McCloskey as a teenager - he was an outstanding coach. He is one of several coaches I point to as being critical for my development...and responsible for my opportunity to later play at the college level.

Did he have a temper? Yup.
Was he intense? You bet.
Violent? Not a chance.

I agree with others posting here that this is yet another example of how much the perception of what is "appropriate" has changed over the years.
 
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sonar said:
I would not go back into coaching today and have to deal with "some" of the current player attitudes .... much less have to deal with their parents.
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It's not that bad actually, so long as you understand that things have changed out there. I coached for a few years (in a different sport) after I graduated, but then took a 15+ year break to refocus on family and the professional front, but have been back to coaching for the last 15 years (another different sport) including kids involved in the college sports D-1 and D-3 recruiting process.

Most kids and their parents are actually great. Maybe it helps me that post-college professional careers in the gender/sport I've been coaching are pretty rare, and maybe that takes some of the edge off things? Then again, it's not like Coach McCloskey's players have too many post-grad professional career options in their gender/sport either.

Our eldest daughter is a UNH grad who is now teaching and also coaching in a HS JV position, and has higher ambitions but has run into some of the "attitudes" described in recent posts. It will be sad if that drives her away from doing something she loves doing, and that's what I see happening here with Coach McCloskey, albeit at a much higher level. Just very sad.
 
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all bear said:
Inappropriate physcial contact? How is that necessarily sexual? Grabbing someone by the shoulder and pulling them back isnt sexual. When Umile did that to one his players at a Vermont game years ago, that wasnt sexual contact.
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Was Umile fired for that? If that is the threshold, than Umile should have the same punishment!
 
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