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UNH Men’s Hockey 22-23: the start of something new, or more of the same?

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Students are stupid. They should be shouting at Umile and Scarano, not the poor guy put in over his head.
How are they going to yell at Scarano when he isn't even around?
Umile retired 5 seasons ago, most of the kids in the student section wouldn't have been around when Dick was last behind the bench. Heck, they would have been middle schoolers when the succession decision was made in 2015.

The context is very different for current students than it is for those us who have been around for decades. And, frankly, I imagine they don't care much about the context either; they probably just see a team that isn't competitive or fun to watch, aren't happy, and are taking that frustration out on the guy in charge.
 
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How are they going to yell at Scarano when he isn't even around?
Umile retired 5 seasons ago, most of the kids in the student section wouldn't have been around when Dick was last behind the bench. Heck, they would have been middle schoolers when the succession decision was made in 2015.

The context is very different for current students than it is for those us who have been around for decades. And, frankly, I imagine they don't care much about the context either; they probably just see a team that isn't competitive or fun to watch, aren't happy, and are taking that frustration out on the guy in charge.
This right here!!! Have seen in this board and on other social media brining up Umile and Scarano. What good does that do us now? Both are long gone. Whining about what happened over 5 years ago is not going to change the present. We all agree things could have and should have been done different but guess what it is done and brining it up all the time is not going to change what happened. Need to look forward and not in the past. Think keeping brining up the past is stupid and the students and the people who keep whining about what happened 7 years ago are stupid. Let’s get out of the loser mentality and start looking forward.
 
This right here!!! Have seen in this board and on other social media brining up Umile and Scarano. What good does that do us now? Both are long gone. Whining about what happened over 5 years ago is not going to change the present. We all agree things could have and should have been done different but guess what it is done and brining it up all the time is not going to change what happened. Need to look forward and not in the past. Think keeping brining up the past is stupid and the students and the people who keep whining about what happened 7 years ago are stupid. Let’s get out of the loser mentality and start looking forward.

I still think that it is educational for newer/younger posters here to understand the history. To watcher’s point above, very few of the assistant coaches since Borek (2002/03-2014/15) left after being passed over for HC have been able to recruit talent, especially players who had any success in scoring goals during high school and juniors. And, Borek was not nearly as successful as recruiters like Chris Serino (1991/92-1997/98), Brian McCloskey (1992/93-2001/02), David Lassonde (1997/98-2010/11), and Jim Tortorella (2011/12-2013/14). Glenn Stewart ((2014/15-present, the BC guy, and Souza himself have been disastrous at recruiting.

I have posted many times over the years that I think Umile was a lousy in-game coach, could not make between-game or in-game adjustments, and worst of all could not inspire his players to perform at their best. I think that he owed nearly all his success to those who did his recruiting. Those who do not study history, like our new AD may or may not do, are doomed to repeat it (apologies to Will Durant).
 
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I still think that it is educational for newer/younger posters here to understand the history. To watcher’s point above, very few of the assistant coaches since Borek (2002/03-2014/15) left after being passed over for HC have been able to recruit talent, especially players who had any success in scoring goals during high school and juniors. And, Borek was not nearly as successful as recruiters like Chris Serino (1991/92-1997/98), Brian McCloskey (1992/93-2001/02), David Lassonde (1997/98-2010/11), and Jim Tortorella (2011/12-2013/14). Glenn Stewart ((2014/15-present, the BC guy, and Souza himself have been disastrous at recruiting.

I have posted many times over the years that I think Umile was a lousy in-game coach, could not make between-game or in-game adjustments, and worst of all could not inspire his players to perform at their best. I think that he owed nearly all his success to those who did his recruiting. Those who do not study history, like our new AD may or may not do, are doomed to repeat it (apologies to Will Durant).

Agree to a point that history of the program is important to know but I wonder how much 'pull' it has with new recruits. It doesn't take them long to peruse the W/L record of the past few seasons. Anyone who's been around today's youth know the past means zip to them. They are caught up in the now, the fancy bells and whistles. And that doesn't last long with them either...'onto the next thing'.

There's still something to be said for those local recruits who 'went to games when they were kids' and I hear this mentioned repeatedly. Cy LeClerc is one of these current players whom we are seeing alot of current success with along with Gagne (Bedford, NH).

Of course I am speaking to the UNH hockey past, you know, the 'glory days' not who recruited who to make that happen. I'm curious what value it would have with these kids (fans, not players) to know that we've fallen off the recruiting curve; they don't 'get the process' and I honestly doubt, if they care. "lets win tonight" as opposed to "this is why we lost tonight".

The past has value, but needs to be reflected upon to those who really make the decisions around 128 Main street, and we all know who that is.

Question is...the right now and the next few months will/should steer the decision to continue with what we have, or move into the future in an entirely new, bold direction. I've got a feeling we won't have that answer until 2024 season end. And since I have no control over that, I am making the conscious decision to forget the past, focus on what's here, make the most of it, and hopefully, stop whining about it.
(easier said than done) ha!
 
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today's youth...are caught up in the now, the fancy bells and whistles. And that doesn't last long with them either...'onto the next thing'.

This remains inaccurate - the adult's view of what kids supposedly want in a college program. Kids (& Families) want scholarship money, a place where they (they're child) feels supported and at home, and a place with a vision for the student-athlete to be successful. UNH has all it needs to offer, Souza just can't sell or deliver on the latter two promises...
 
This remains inaccurate - the adult's view of what kids supposedly want in a college program. Kids (& Families) want scholarship money, a place where they (they're child) feels supported and at home, and a place with a vision for the student-athlete to be successful. UNH has all it needs to offer, Souza just can't sell or deliver on the latter two promises...

Im talking about the fans in the stands here Dan..not prospects. More specifically students who could care less about the UNH hockey backstory being important..speaking to how they should be mad at Umile/Scarano for where we are today...as was referenced in Snively's / Cloud 9's response to Watcher.
 
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Why can't we have nice things like this.... This is what UNH wants and is looking for big donor money to provide. Not sure what something like this even begins to cost, but when you win a NC and a couple of back to back league championships, I guess this is what you can ask for, and receive. I do realize UMass has a lot more $$ than UNH, and I do realize that player lounges aren't everything but they seem to mean something apparently. This is one beautiful facility.

State of the art weight rooms...now UConn with their new arena coming on soon I can see why it's tough to compete with the limited amount of players available for 50+ D1 programs. Go ahead, tell me I'm full of it and we should try to re-sell our jumbo tron and get back the old one :-) At least we re-sized our ice so now the prospects should flock, correct?
 
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Why can't we have nice things like this.... This is what UNH wants and is looking for big donor money to provide. Not sure what something like this even begins to cost, but when you win a NC and a couple of back to back league championships, I guess this is what you can ask for, and receive. I do realize UMass has a lot more $$ than UNH, and I do realize that player lounges aren't everything but they seem to mean something apparently. This is one beautiful facility.

State of the art weight rooms...now UConn with their new arena coming on soon I can see why it's tough to compete with the limited amount of players available for 50+ D1 programs. Go ahead, tell me I'm full of it and we should try to re-sell our jumbo tron and get back the old one :-)

I think you've pretty much answered your own question, 'Ref. Coach Carvel didn't have a fraction of this stuff when he started his rebuild in Amherst, and yet he somehow got the talent there (thanks Ben Barr), instructed and motivated the talent, and presto bingo, now he gets to be King of Hockey in his own little kingdom for the foreseeable future. And good for him. He's accomplished more in a short period of time than most other folks accomplish over the lifetime of their coaching careers, and he's done it where no one else has before him. With the exception of Barr, he owes his success to no one other than people he chose to be there with him.

UNH needs to find someone like that who knows how to build, how to coach, and how to sell. There is SO much more that can be done around UNH Hockey that isn't being done right now, and it's an accurate reflection of the lack of vision and ambition surrounding the hockey program.

I'll relate a brief example of what I'm talking about ... this afternoon, my better half and myself were out dining in one of our regular hangouts in the Greater Effingwoods area, not all that far from the UNH campus (two towns removed, actually). It's not a "sports bar" per se, but there are big screens that show sports events almost exclusively in both the dining area AND the bar. So we are enjoying a late lunch and there is one of the large screens at the other end of the dining room, which is showing a UMass Women's basketball game, complete with all the in-game UMass propaganda relative to the school, other sports, etc. Amherst is, what, about a 3+ hour drive from many of the most populous parts of NH? But here we are, two towns from UNH Central, and that establishment - and many others like it - are pumping in propaganda supporting the selling points being put out there by the likes of BU, BC, Northeastern, and now UMass Amherst. Does UNH even counter? At present, no, they don't. Last time I checked, they had the Channel 11 PBS affiliate with studios literally right down the street. Is this capacity being utilized? Uh, heck no. They're busy with the usual PBS fare. What's happening here, and why is potential source of support not being utilized for UNH sports?

I've coached hundreds of kids over the last 20+ years up in this very same area, and dozens who have gone on to play at the college level - admittedly more at D-3 than D-1. But coincidentally, two of the more prominent players I've been associated with during that stretch have ironically "made their bones" playing the same position at none other than ... UMass Amherst. One was a former four year starter who I met after her D-1 career, when she was beginning her post-grad teaching career, and I was privileged to have her as my assistant coach for a year. By then, she'd started putting down roots in the area, and part of those roots were/are UNH related (I'll leave it at that). More recently, a kid from our area followed in her shoes at UMass, and has likewise had some success as a starter there (her career is still ongoing). Mind you, UMass hasn't been a national force in the sport for the last generation, and neither has the UNH Women's team.

I mentioned this potential UNH connection to the younger player a few years back, before she had committed to UMass. Whether she followed up on it (and if so, whether the older player pointed her to her alma mater or to her more recent connections at UNH) wasn't/isn't my business, but actions do speak louder than words sometimes.

Anyway ... to cap off this little ditty, there is now a third player to be considered, who meets the same player profile as the first two ladies, goes to school now less than 10 minutes from the UNH campus, and is a bright and personable kid who is already on the radar for national teams after some great results at regional camps. It's too early for her to be giving serious thought about some final choices yet, but I will in the normal course of things at some point inquire with her folks (I've known her dad for a few years through playing Over 45 soccer), and it will be interesting to see what their thinking is like when that times does come around. One would think UNH should be on a short list at least, but if the family is exposed to the same stuff her coaches and teammates' families see on sports TV programming, they'll never stand a chance.

I'll repeat this once again, as it's something that I've said many times in the last 10 or so years ... if you talk to HS kids about UNH sports, it's shocking how many really aren't aware that UNH even factors into the picture. 20 years ago, when UNH Hockey was at its apex, and I was just getting started in coaching, I couldn't go to a UNH home game and not run into a family or two that were connected to my coaching (which as most of you know ISN'T hockey BTW). UNH was a known factor - probably when WMUR mattered and covered it. About a decade or so ago, it began to change ... and nowadays, once in awhile I'll overhear some hockey discussion with players on the sidelines, but 99% of the time it's about the Bruins. And I'll make a point of asking if the kid(s) have ever seen a UNH Hockey game in Durham. There's only been one (1) kid in that last ten years who has answered in the affirmative. Most others are surprised or even puzzled.

It's hard to overemphasize how much UNH Hockey has fallen in the local sports fans' consciousness in the last decade ...
 
Students are stupid. They should be shouting at Umile and Scarano, not the poor guy put in over his head. Let him leave with dignity, and maybe when he's in his 50s he can apply his knowledge like another guy who killed a perennial champion program in five years, who licked his wounds for 15 years, and then returned to a HC job (Borek).
Getting knocked down by a painful learning experience is not the end.

And no, you don't fire a coach mid-year unless there's misconduct. Failing with dignity is a skill the HC will also be learning.

I can't help but feel Borek's joy at sticking it to Scarano (and Umile). He certainly was stung by being passed over, but got the last laugh.



See your first point
Liam Devlin goals in HS

4
10
8

Liam Devlin goals in USHL
6
12

(29 points in 2 seasons).

He was a second liner in HS, a fourth liner in the USHL. Expecting more is not reasonable, despite his strong first year.

Sons of Scotty Borek now third in PWR, while UNH vaulted over Canisius and Lindenwood into 51st.
 
Chuck, a painful video to watch, though not as difficult as the demise of the hockey program. I think if you run that video in slow mode, one can clearly see the vaulter was actually Marty Blue Skies. That was the moment when his gonads got removed by the fiberglass scalpel and led him to protect Dickie (sorry, another metaphor related to the vid) on the MS7 idea. Additional surgery several years later to fix said problem only further lowered testosterone levels, thus leading him to have zero sack and give MS7 the 2 year extension for the EXCELLENT work he had been doing. If only Blue Skies had listened to Doug Flutie and Frank Thomas and taken Nugenix to correct the issue, we probably could have avoided the whole mess.
 
I think movement backward is more likely to move us forward...

Agreed. Two more wins (say a split with Union and an upset win against Sacred Heart) would give the Cats a better record than their five wins in 1985/86. Very important for Cats to make a statement by not winning a single HEA game this season.
 
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Agreed. Two more wins (say a split with Union and an upset win against Sacred Heart) would give the Cats a better record than their five wins in 1985/86. Very important for Cats to make a statement by not winning a single HEA game this season.

Important for what? To prove a point? I don't see that as a positive..unless your point is it forces the AD's hand...
 
Important for what? To prove a point? I don't see that as a positive..unless your point is it forces the AD's hand...

Exactly my and Dan’s point. But, I think that a Cats HEA win this season is unlikely anyway, unless UVM takes us for granite on March 2nd at the Whitt.
 
Exactly my and Dan’s point. But, I think that a Cats HEA win this season is unlikely anyway, unless UVM takes us for granite on March 2nd at the Whitt.

While I would not be surprised or shocked, someone is going to look past the 'Cats...surely we can split with Maine at least? Do ties count? See how I'm grasping for straws here. And even if we do lose every league game, I'll bet you a virtual keg of beer that's still not going to lead to a buy out... :-)
 
Chuck, a painful video to watch, though not as difficult as the demise of the hockey program. I think if you run that video in slow mode, one can clearly see the vaulter was actually Marty Blue Skies. That was the moment when his gonads got removed by the fiberglass scalpel and led him to protect Dickie (sorry, another metaphor related to the vid) on the MS7 idea. Additional surgery several years later to fix said problem only further lowered testosterone levels, thus leading him to have zero sack and give MS7 the 2 year extension for the EXCELLENT work he had been doing. If only Blue Skies had listened to Doug Flutie and Frank Thomas and taken Nugenix to correct the issue, we probably could have avoided the whole mess.

In the eloquent words of The Big Hurt himself ...
 
New Contest - Pick The Game Where UNH Gets Its First HEA Win in 2023!!

Simple contest, really ... and I'll set the ground rules, here and now. Each poster gets to pick the first HEA opponent that UNH will beat in the calendar year 2023. Win has to come in regulation, so none of this overtime/shootout crap. A real, legitimate 60 minute win. You kind of have the following three (3) options:

(1) Pick a game from the remainder of the UNH Men's Hockey '22/'23 HEA schedule; OR
(2) Take the position that UNH will not win an HEA game in regulation until NEXT season;
(2a) Not knowing the schedule for October-December '23, make a WAG on UNH's first victim; OR
(3) Take the position that UNH will not win an HEA game in regulation until early '24; OR
(4) MS7's existing contract will expire (4/30/24) without UNH ever again winning in regulation
(5) Tiebreaker: If more than one person guesses right, first person on the record here wins!

This contest has the potential to live up (down?) to the sheer excitement generated not so long ago in these here parts by "Dickie's Quest for the NRN". We've got a few weeks to kill, so let's get our wagers down. Now that I've cleared my bar tab with Snives due to some success in his trivia contest, I've restocked and will treat the winner(s) to a post-game beer or three at the watering hole of your choice. With any luck, WIS operatives will be trying to line up a guest host to attend and make it an even more momentous occasion. Candidates might include such luminaries as Blue Skies himself, the Turtlenecked Assassin, Scotty from North Andover, Luce Canaan, and Bust van Riemsdyk, amid countless other options.

I got goosebumps just thinking about all the fun that lies ahead of us, gang. Winner winner, chicken dinner ...
 
New Contest - Pick The Game Where UNH Gets Its First HEA Win in 2023!!

Simple contest, really ... and I'll set the ground rules, here and now. Each poster gets to pick the first HEA opponent that UNH will beat in the calendar year 2023. Win has to come in regulation, so none of this overtime/shootout crap. A real, legitimate 60 minute win. You kind of have the following three (3) options:

(1) Pick a game from the remainder of the UNH Men's Hockey '22/'23 HEA schedule; OR
(2) Take the position that UNH will not win an HEA game in regulation until NEXT season;
(2a) Not knowing the schedule for October-December '23, make a WAG on UNH's first victim; OR
(3) Take the position that UNH will not win an HEA game in regulation until early '24; OR
(4) MS7's existing contract will expire (4/30/24) without UNH ever again winning in regulation
(5) Tiebreaker: If more than one person guesses right, first person on the record here wins!

This contest has the potential to live up (down?) to the sheer excitement generated not so long ago in these here parts by "Dickie's Quest for the NRN". We've got a few weeks to kill, so let's get our wagers down. Now that I've cleared my bar tab with Snives due to some success in his trivia contest, I've restocked and will treat the winner(s) to a post-game beer or three at the watering hole of your choice. With any luck, WIS operatives will be trying to line up a guest host to attend and make it an even more momentous occasion. Candidates might include such luminaries as Blue Skies himself, the Turtlenecked Assassin, Scotty from North Andover, Luce Canaan, and Bust van Riemsdyk, amid countless other options.

I got goosebumps just thinking about all the fun that lies ahead of us, gang. Winner winner, chicken dinner ...

Wow, great contest with so many open-ended options. I also like HR’s bet of a “virtual keg.” :-)

I will take No. 1, Norm, with UVM taking our Wildcats for granite and losing 2-1 (in regulation) at the Whitt on 2 March 2023. The Catamounts will pull their goalie with over 2 minutes remaining to no avail, although our Wildcats will miss four grade A opportunities to tally a third goal. This win will give the Wildcats a 7-25-2 for the regular season (yes, we will tie some other HEA team that overlooks us), and a 7-27-2 record following the MBPBEGAM round.

A real shame that we did not have a Riverstone Cup meetup with Dartmouth on the schedule this season.

There will not be a buyout and UNH will have a chance to bounce back in 2023/24 for double-digit wins.
 
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