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UNH Men’s Hockey 22-23: the start of something new, or more of the same?

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Agreed, entirely. CHC has been here since before our heyday and is still providing us hope, year in and year out. I applaud his dedication and endurance, especially during the past decade of downturns.

Here, here to both of you. There would be no way to know the incoming players and I feel like I know who they are thanks to his posts and social media. BTW we just got a new player; from the same team Huard and DeVita played for (Aberdeen Wings). Looks like a big bodied forward...but I'll let CHC do his thing on the page...
 
Well it has certainly been a couple of disappointing weeks. And none of the threads”issues “ have been improved upon but let’s get on more realistic footing. Do you really think any new AD is going to put an entrenched HC on report this early. And we certainly aren’t going to know the if and when should it happen. Most complaints have merit but the horse is dead. It was also very disheartening to see anyone disparage CHC and the recruiting thread. Yes it is upbeat but it is also that kids welcome to UNH. Should it include the night he caught an edge and the other team scored? I so appreciate all the information that is included and would like to know were else we would get this in a up to date comprehensive place?
I am Sure that the video comes from his team and is exactly what we want to see. To call it “Pravda-esk” is totally unfair.
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t was also very disheartening to see anyone disparage CHC and the recruiting thread. Yes it is upbeat but it is also that kids welcome to UNH. Should it include the night he caught an edge and the other team scored? I so appreciate all the information that is included and would like to know were else we would get this in a up to date comprehensive place?
I am Sure that the video comes from his team and is exactly what we want to see. To call it “Pravda-esk” is totally unfair.

In Felgie's defense, I think there is frustration in many corners of the remaining UNH Hockey fanbase that NH media in general have largely ignored the program, and what little media coverage that is generated these days (and over the better part of the last decade actually) is pretty bland and lacking in any strong opinions. And that has enabled the previous AD (and likely his present-day successor) to tolerate the status quo, which is frankly entirely unacceptable.

I seriously doubt Felgie meant any ill will towards CHC, but the apathy that oozes from so many corners of the UNH Athletic Department has in turn created a lot of frustration among the rest of us, which could be relieved to a degree if there was a very public voice out there holding UNH Athletics accountable for the state of its former flagship programs. Y'know, the one that got the Whittemore Center built in a landmark event for the school AND the State of NH, and arguably set the tone for a generation's worth of campus developments, updates and improvements? How soon they forget.

The world would be a better place for all of us if we could somehow enjoy both some positive news AND fair criticism without getting our collective panties in a bunch. In the old days, we would have weekly adventures against a different opponent and its fanbase, mix it up and live to tell about it, and look forward to doing it all again the next weekend, and so on and so on ...
 
At least we do not hold a “Little Caesar’s Pizza Night” and then not have any pizza to serve at the Whitt Snack Bar, or do we (see other Cats thread)?
 
At least we do not hold a “Little Caesar's Pizza Night” and then not have any pizza to serve at the Whitt Snack Bar, or do we (see other Cats thread)?

Hey Snives, a certain Mr. Yzerman just called me on the secure line at the WIS Estate, and politely asked me to remind you of the First Commandment of Red Wings Hockey:

Thou shalt not take the name of the Ilitch Family's cash cow enterprise in vain

Any further violations, and Mr. Yzerman has warned he'll send over Mr. Kocur for enforcement.
 
At least we do not hold a “Little Caesar’s Pizza Night” and then not have any pizza to serve at the Whitt Snack Bar, or do we (see other Cats thread)?

lol saw that...whoops. Not even sure what Friday night's 'thing' is at the 'Whitt. I go for the games anyway and am truly hoping for a split this weekend. ICYMI yesterday's UL's Alex Hall featured a hockey article and it was about the BC game frustration...I enjoyed the honesty about the game and hope adjustments are made for a better result v PC. We desperately need HE points esp with the SOS coming up...
 
Quick quote from the UNH captain in this morning's Union Leader ...

“They’re more important to us just points-wise,” Stevenson, a forward, said of UNH’s league games. “They’re huge games this weekend and then we have Northeastern the next weekend after, so two unbelievable teams that we’ve got to be ready for and we need to put Hockey East points up on the board. That’s got to happen sooner rather than later.”

Putting aside the usual pre-game flattery ... doesn't it strike anyone else as a total overstatement to describe two admittedly successful - yet hardly D-1 juggernaut - programs as "unbelievable"?!?

I'm all for having a healthy amount of respect for any and all opponents, but this is a little silly, no?? It's not like the '80 US Olympic Team taking on the Russkies for the gold medal, and shocking the world with a huge upset, and it won't be like the 'Cats will be taking a victory lap down Durham's "Canyon of Heroes" if they split either one of these two upcoming weekend series.

I understand Stevenson is a bright kid, so why not show some intelligence, skip the silly boilerplate pre-game flattery, and show the smarts that landed him the captain's gig in the first place?

Constructive criticism for an otherwise boring Thursday morning. Otherwise, I'll predict the 'Cats do indeed find a way to get some points out of both of the next two weekends.
 
Regarding the ongoing, lackluster UNH Hockey Program, can we PLEASE just make this easy and simply ask this as a BUSINESS QUESTION?

A business USED to have 100% of their saleable product (the arena) sold, plus 30% backorders (season ticket wait list). NOW, you sell about 67% or less of the product and you offer FREE samples to give the illusion your sales are closer to the Good Ole Days. Your organization hasnt trimmed any fat or overhead, the VP of Sales has been there 5 years and the "salespeople" he brings in, havent improved sales figures. Neither has your "New and Improved" packaging (Jumbotron, 90 ft rink). Fewer and fewer customers want your lackluster product and canned sales pitches.

Name the VC Firm that would invest in this business without DEMANDING changes, IMMEDIATELY?
 
Regarding the ongoing, lackluster UNH Hockey Program, can we PLEASE just make this easy and simply ask this as a BUSINESS QUESTION?

A business USED to have 100% of their saleable product (the arena) sold, plus 30% backorders (season ticket wait list). NOW, you sell about 67% or less of the product and you offer FREE samples to give the illusion your sales are closer to the Good Ole Days. Your organization hasnt trimmed any fat or overhead, the VP of Sales has been there 5 years and the "salespeople" he brings in, havent improved sales figures. Neither has your "New and Improved" packaging (Jumbotron, 90 ft rink). Fewer and fewer customers want your lackluster product and canned sales pitches.

Name the VC Firm that would invest in this business without DEMANDING changes, IMMEDIATELY?
Spot on except it is not a business and Chuck, the 1980s were 40 years ago. Times have changed.
 
Spot on except it is not a business and Chuck, the 1980s were 40 years ago. Times have changed.

Not true. The lost dollars DIRECTLY affect the overall University budget. The program still costs you the same if 1 ass is in the seats, or 6,501. And Concord isnt sending over more dough because of how the hockey team is performing.

When UNH went to Anaheim back in 99, admission applications went up 30+% from what I remember, and probably not Colebrooke kids looking to go in-state to the U. Out-of-Staters paying big bucks for a bed in Stoke. Free Marketing dollars at work.

Still think this isn't a business?
 
It really exposed the school's burgeoning "woke" presence being on par with so much of academia nationwide, plus the lack of support from so-called friends and colleagues was disgusting.

That whole situation knocked UNH down a few pegs in my estimation. If I'm being honest, they haven't yet recovered. Our eldest had already graduated by the time of the noted event(s), but our youngest was still enrolled and wouldn't graduate for another year or two. As it now stands, I've only been back in the building once for a trade show since the Wuhan Flu, so I'm probably closer to putting my UNH fandom on long-term ice than even I realize. Which would be a shame.

The Men's Soccer team got me to make a few trips across the street last Fall - we'll see about the rink soon enough, but my own coaching commitments are about to kick in shortly, so it may be a challenge to get up the motivation to see a rudderless last place team in a half-empty building in the middle of winter on a rare "conflict-free" game night, when other options exist.

It's hard to believe I've written this, but it's the plain unvarnished truth. It didn't have to be this way ...

I would say based on the current performance, save the time and money. I have been trying to give up for years but get vetoed. At least when we had more Saturday games I could stay upstairs and watch college football, now on Fridays there is nothing to see at the game.
 
Not true. The lost dollars DIRECTLY affect the overall University budget. The program still costs you the same if 1 *** is in the seats, or 6,501. And Concord isnt sending over more dough because of how the hockey team is performing.

When UNH went to Anaheim back in 99, admission applications went up 30+% from what I remember, and probably not Colebrooke kids looking to go in-state to the U. Out-of-Staters paying big bucks for a bed in Stoke. Free Marketing dollars at work.

Still think this isn't a business?

It is 100% a business. And if the "product" continues to perform below expecatations, "sales" will continue to falter. At some point, UNH Inc. will have to decide on those "divisions" that continue to gobble up more cash while generating declining income. Either make an investment to improve the product and bring revenue back to reasonable levels....or eliminate the "division" entirely.

And given the projection of declining "customers" looking to purchase UNH Inc's educational product line....this could very well happen not too far into the future.
 
This is an incredibly tough group. Agree with Darius, this is not a situation that can totally correspond to the business model may seem to think should currently be in play. I am more than willing to imagine that the charge that our new AD was given had replace the hockey coaching staff near the top. This is an academic institution, not OSU, Alabama or ND. I would bet you lunch that graduating 95 percent plus of all student athletes and keep the train on the compliance track we’re higher on the list. Then came “assess” all our team sports and see what and how to improve those that we can and should. Metrics or goals may or may not have been asked for. And perhaps that is going on but t
 
This business just ain’t like your desired one. And Chuck, what was wrong with Chases comment and was this just one of many thoughts. Some of you are really hard to please and can appear to not want to be. This isn’t a fantasy world.
 
This business just ain’t like your desired one. And Chuck, what was wrong with Chases comment and was this just one of many thoughts. Some of you are really hard to please and can appear to not want to be. This isn’t a fantasy world.

And there were other comments made by Chase as well as Souza in that article. Loved the way he took full responsibility for the game as well as having expectations on the new players. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a healthy respect for the teams coming up in our schedule. Checks notes, but I see that NU has possibly the best goal tender in the country in Devon Levi, PC is 10th and UMass is, shucks, 2nd in pairwise at the moment. So he used the term 'unbelievable'. Big deal. He knows the team is a total work in progress and they have their work cut out for them going forward. Hope there are more interviews with him.

Oh and as for those pesky UConn Huskies, they are sitting pretty at the moment (early, I know) themselves. Just a few short years ago UNH fans would have thought that was 'unbelievable' in itself. In 2015 they were the team we easily disposed of en route to our OT win with PC and our last visit to the Garden. Talk about having new players? Just read the article here that they have 16 new players, 4 being transfers if I read that right. BU took care of them this past weekend in the Sat game but they showed they can play with anyone. Whatever they are doing down there in Storrs seems to be working...

Let's see what the 'Cats drag in this weekend..might just be unbelievable. (smiley face)
 
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This is an academic institution, not OSU, Alabama or ND.

That is an awfully large building in Durham that was built to show UNH doesnt care. Having a thriving team and the publicity that came with it served the University well for quite a few years.

I believe that UNH is a fine academic institution, but cant remember when I last heard it referred to as Little Ivy. They still need to have their name out there to attract students AND keep them engaged and occupied after they arrive to campus. 6,501 people are certainly not showing up to only cheer when the Academic All Hockey-East team is announced. :-)
 
I agree with every point you make Whalers. My point is only that the room that hired our new AD did not put a target on MS’s back. Yes we should hope reference was made to areas of strength or former strength and the need for all that I mentioned. I have complained and advocated for much more and stronger promotional work to be done, especially for the hockey team. It would be so easy and relatively low cost. Promotion and creating teams that you are proud of are tremendously important to making a school attractive to potential students. Even more so for a non-Ivy.
 
Hey Snives, a certain Mr. Yzerman just called me on the secure line at the WIS Estate, and politely asked me to remind you of the First Commandment of Red Wings Hockey:

Thou shalt not take the name of the Ilitch Family's cash cow enterprise in vain

Any further violations, and Mr. Yzerman has warned he'll send over Mr. Kocur for enforcement.

Huh? I do not think that I was taking the name of the Ilitch Family’s cash cow in vain. Maybe Stevie should send his Dead Wing thugs to Burlington to settle that slight.
 
This is an incredibly tough group. Agree with Darius, this is not a situation that can totally correspond to the business model may seem to think should currently be in play. I am more than willing to imagine that the charge that our new AD was given had replace the hockey coaching staff near the top. This is an academic institution, not OSU, Alabama or ND. I would bet you lunch that graduating 95 percent plus of all student athletes and keep the train on the compliance track we’re higher on the list. Then came “assess” all our team sports and see what and how to improve those that we can and should. Metrics or goals may or may not have been asked for. And perhaps that is going on but t

The problem is that evaluating the hockey program strongly and assertively should have been one of the top charges. Making the objective behaving and getting good grades is something schools that do not win love to trumpet efforting to air some sense of superiority over the schools that are actually winning games. If those are the only goals, why do we need coaches? UNH should simply hire more academic counselors and tutors...

Denver won the national championship with a roster full of high academic performers and well-behaved student athletes. It is very possible to do both. Hundreds of college coaches foster both all over the country every day. Why should UNH settle for less, settling? And that's what they're doing. Graduating well-behaved and well-rounded student-athletes is a baseline expectation (noteworthy as it may be) - Division I athletic departments exist to do more. Period.

College athletes are both very intelligent and very accomplished in their sport. It's insulting when universities insinuate that only its priorities are responsible for good academic performance or infer that if their athletes are getting good grades they can't also be expected to win. So many schools talk about student-athlete experience as if its about getting good grades and making kids happy. You know what athletes want out of their experience? They want to be pushed, held accountable, managed to expectations on and off the playing surface and supported/challenged to be as successful as possible. They don't want to be coddled or viewed as incapable...

Claiming success by focusing on only half the story is the adults in the room rationalizing their own failures.

I've barely made a peep about this season - because at this point the on-ice performance of UNH Hockey barely interests me. The university seems to care VERY little about solving the problem, so why should I? Others are angry and lashing out? It's not surprising fans would react that way...
 
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I've barely made a peep about this season - because at this point the on-ice performance of UNH Hockey barely interests me. The university seems to care VERY little about solving the problem, so why should I? Others are angry and lashing out? It's not surprising fans would react that way...

Well said Dan, I echo your sentiments 100%.

Regarding a fan base that is angry or lashing out, WTH do they expect. Of course I'm angry with the on ice product (disappointed and dissatisfied are probably better adjectives), but certainly don't feel like I am "lashing out". I've been a season ticket holder for 27 years now, am I not allowed to voice my displeasure? But in our new woke world somehow we are not suppose to voice our complaints, criticisms, and frustration, we are only allowed to focus on all the positives (what they hell those are I have not a clue) and be satisfied. If we don't tow the line somehow we get labeled as difficult, uncompassionate, or worse. Give me a break! If I can't come to this message board to express my frustration, where can I? That is the WHOLE POINT of having a forum like this, is to have a place where fans can come to gripe, analyze, critique, cry on a shoulder, celebrate, etc., etc. I wont apologize for being disgusted with the current state of UNH Men's Hockey and won't stop expressing it here.
 
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