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UNH Hockey 2023 Off Season Thread Turn and Face the Strange

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Interesting to note, UVM's gym is on par with Lundholm, yet somehow UVM is still able to put together NCAA tourney-worthy teams year after year. But....if hoops starts selling out Lundholm on a regular basis, an argument could definitely be made to move them across the street, even if it's for a handful of games initially.

UVM Men's Hoops ends up with "tourney-worthy teams" for two reasons: (1) they play in a relatively weak America East conference, and (2) they have developed a winning tradition, which in all likelihood is coach-centric. It's really not all that different to what UNH Men's Soccer has become in the same conference/different sport, where ironically UVM has been providing their main competition. We can thank Coach Herrion at least for turning Hoops into a higher level of competitiveness for the new guy to build on, as opposed to the abject perennial failures they used to be.

NCAA College Basketball RPI Rankings (updated today) (teamrankings.com)

So looking at the improvement over the better part of the last generation or so ... and in its current competitive setting, the biggest opportunity that presents itself to UNH and AD Rich is to push forward in Men's Hoops. You just hired a new coach who has experienced modest success at a comparable level. Your program has been hanging around just south of the top of the AE for the last few years. I would daresay that competing and recruiting to succeed in AE Men's Hoops is a full few notches below what's necessary to succeed at the same things for UNH in Hockey East (not that I'm ever giving up on that, mind you). And while we're piling at least $10.0MM into improvements at the "Key Auto Group Complex", why not set aside a few hundred thousand of those dollars for spring for a new floor, two hoops stanchions, and all the other logistical doo-dads necessary to host Hoops - including a couple of sets of auxilliary locker rooms while they're at it?? Or just build new state of the art locker room facilities for Hockey, and let Hoops use the old Hockey space(s), until we know they will be staying permanently??

The other option would be to give Hoops a transitional year at The Whitt, and drop a pile of money and resources into turning Lundholm into a proverbial old-style pit or "cage", with permanent non-bleacher seating right up close and personal, and make it into a fan-friendly experience?

The current thinking on Hoops seems to be that, "Let them earn their keep and first start drawing real crowds, and until then you play in a high school gym", just like Football did, for WAY too long. How about you start acting like a real D-1 Hoops program first, and then maybe you will not only get some real D-1 players, but you may be able to develop a following. Just like they have so improbably done with Men's Soccer.

This is NOT at odds with the way Hockey has whined about missing some features here and there. Hockey has been in a legitimate D-1 building since Fall 1995. The downturn over the last decade plus has had nothing to do with scoreboards, ad panels, or the size of the ice sheet. It's all been about the failure of quality coaching, whether it's been due to age (Umile) or lack of ability (Souza). Charlie Holt and eventually a young Umile got The Whitt built, which was transformative. Look what it did to the program's fortunes in the decade that followed, before the "new building smell" started to wear off, when places like Agganis appeared. MacDonnell and Santos (as player and coach) got the Wildcat Stadium built, and now Santos and Hubbard will reap the benefits with their programs. Hoops is the only revenue sport currently left out of that mix. If you adhere to "a rising tide lifts all boats", then let's push Hoops under the new guy, and really push Hockey when their new guy arrives???

We're not even asking UNH to do a ground-up Hoops palace - just some minor upgrades across the street OR a major renovation at the current home, fused with a relatively young, successful and ambitious HC. Play in the biggest AE games regularly for a few seasons, and eventually you break through, and even if you get the AE autobid once every 3-5 years, you're at the dance ... and when you just miss out, you probably get an NIT invite. Your games get seen well beyond the 03824, and suddenly you're this interesting little D-1 underdog that starts seeing recruiting interest from all corners. It's happened before, why not happen again ... here?? Butler. Gonzaga. Villanova. And dare I suggest ... UConn?!?

If you've never been to Storrs, please go check it out in your travels someday. Then ask yourself, "What about this place screams Hoops, any more than Durham does as a community?" Answer: not much. But somehow, some of the best college hoops, Men's AND Women's, has been played in Storrs. That in turn has parlayed itself into the state's DNA, and now they even host a team in the top Women's league in the world - something that neither Boston (home of the Celtics) nor Providence (home of the Friars, or UConn before UConn) can claim.

50 years ago, UConn and UNH were both competing in the Yankee Conference - UConn at or near the top, UNH at or near the bottom. UConn was a latter day UVM, a big fish in a small pond, and nowhere near a National Title. But UConn took opportunities, hired visionary coaches, and a few decades later, a school based in a very comparable burgh to Durham is dripping in National Titles, and is a perennial D-1 powerhouse.

I'm not sure many of us would be around to see it come to fruition, but wouldn't it be cool if UNH took a swipe at something really special like this, rather than always taking the "safe way" and using unimaginative budgetary policy to justify keeping substandard coaches and/or facilities in a State that's just waiting to be even a small fraction as relevant as Connecticut. New Hampshire was beginning to trend the same way back in the late '90's with both Men's and Women's Hockey in nationally prominent positions, and were still in pretty good shape a decade later, but non-visionary leadership from "Blue Skies" didn't dare to push things further out. If you're not constantly in improvement mode, then you are gradually falling behind others who are. And if you do that long enough, you end up where UNH Hockey - all of it - currently sits. At the bottom.
 
Wow I have seen the mock ups of the potential plans...very nice and noticed that many players (current and former) are reacting on social media. So are field hockey players..asking for their own locker room as they share space in the Whitt or across the street with the general population who use the pool etc...hope there's something in the Wizards black bag for them!
 
Wow I have seen the mock ups of the potential plans...very nice and noticed that many players (current and former) are reacting on social media. So are field hockey players..asking for their own locker room as they share space in the Whitt or across the street with the general population who use the pool etc...hope there's something in the Wizards black bag for them!

Do you have a link to the plans, or is it the same as provided by UNH (on social media) and WMUR?
 
Without even seeing the plans, I'd still like to know if an underground garage could be built underneath the space currently occupied by the field hockey pitch? Given that they were able to "dig down" to construct the subgrade bowl for The Whitt, I'd guess the chances were pretty good that (finances aside) you could construct at least a 2-3 level undergound parking deck on that land, and then put the field hockey pitch right back on its "roof". The deeper, the better, and think of the space that would open up for the school on the other side of the tracks to be used for further housing, fields, or (if you're thinking really big, as in "Joe Faro big") a public/private venture akin to the huge development the Krafts have built adjacent to Gillette Stadium in Foxboro.

Except this would be "Wildcat" themed. The possibilities are endless, if you use your imagination, and Faro is not someone who dreams little. Oh, and BTW, he's a UNH grad AND his Tuscan Village development in Salem MA is eventually going to max out, and Faro is going to be looking for a 3rd and final chapter to ride off into the sunset with ... why not this?

Just in case you don't know who Faro is, here's a dated item from an unlikely WIS source to bring you up to a few years ago, and as many of you probably already know, the TV project down in Salem is exceeding all expectations ...

Joe Faro - Made From Scratch | HuffPost Contributor
 
Do you have a link to the plans, or is it the same as provided by UNH (on social media) and WMUR?

No, sorry, just what everyone else has been shown at this point...sorry if I gave the impression I had more info...at least, on this...lol
 
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Without even seeing the plans, I'd still like to know if an underground garage could be built underneath the space currently occupied by the field hockey pitch? Given that they were able to "dig down" to construct the subgrade bowl for The Whitt, I'd guess the chances were pretty good that (finances aside) you could construct at least a 2-3 level undergound parking deck on that land, and then put the field hockey pitch right back on its "roof". The deeper, the better, and think of the space that would open up for the school on the other side of the tracks to be used for further housing, fields, or (if you're thinking really big, as in "Joe Faro big") a public/private venture akin to the huge development the Krafts have built adjacent to Gillette Stadium in Foxboro.

Except this would be "Wildcat" themed. The possibilities are endless, if you use your imagination, and Faro is not someone who dreams little. Oh, and BTW, he's a UNH grad AND his Tuscan Village development in Salem MA is eventually going to max out, and Faro is going to be looking for a 3rd and final chapter to ride off into the sunset with ... why not this?

Just in case you don't know who Faro is, here's a dated item from an unlikely WIS source to bring you up to a few years ago, and as many of you probably already know, the TV project down in Salem is exceeding all expectations ...

Joe Faro - Made From Scratch | HuffPost Contributor

Unfortunately, the Exetergranodiorite bedrock is close to the surface under most of the UNH campus and even blasting enough bedrock to construct one level of an underground parking garage near the Whitt would be prohibitively expensive. The shallow depth to bedrock was the reason that repairing the faulty ice chiller system under the Whitt was so expensive. Nice idea, though.
 
Unfortunately, the Exetergranodiorite bedrock is close to the surface under most of the UNH campus and even blasting enough bedrock to construct one level of an underground parking garage near the Whitt would be prohibitively expensive. The shallow depth to bedrock was the reason that repairing the faulty ice chiller system under the Whitt was so expensive. Nice idea, though.

Bummer. Now that you mention it (again), I think you've told us this before. Back to the drawing board ... but now that you've introduced Key Auto into the picture, there's no excuse not to reach out to Faro. The guy still keeps in touch with his UNH professor(s), and he's a visionary. I should not have to draw a diagram. Darius, get these kids together!! ;-)
 
Bummer. Now that you mention it (again), I think you've told us this before. Back to the drawing board ... but now that you've introduced Key Auto into the picture, there's no excuse not to reach out to Faro. The guy still keeps in touch with his UNH professor(s), and he's a visionary. I should not have to draw a diagram. Darius, get these kids together!! ;-)

That would be a great partnership, and yes he is absolutely a visionary! Except the obvious, who would have ever envisioned what has become of the old Rockingham Park? What a transformation, and much better than the casino many wanted. I can't imagine if approached by UNH with a good plan he wouldn't want to be park of it. If he had been part of this renovation it could have been called the Joe Faro Complex! ;-););)
 
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That would be a great partnership, and yes he is absolutely a visionary! Except the obvious, who would have ever envisioned what has become of the old Rockingham Park? What a transformation, and much better than the casino many wanted. I can't imagine if approached by UNH with a good plan he wouldn't want to be park of it. If he had been part of this renovation it could have been called the Joe Faro Complex! ;-););)

LOL

Actually I spent a lot of fun times with friends over at the old Rockingham Park back in the day, beautiful old facility, sadly once legalized betting expanded away from racing and lotteries, the thoroughbred industry in New England was DOA. I hear Belmont is on its last legs, which would be stunning to see that go away ... but if NY bettors on the ponies have a choice between Saratoga Springs and Belmont, you know who's gonna win.

Many older posters on here will no doubt remember when for roughly two decades (1975-1995), the Salem NH Rockingham property was touted as the "next home of the Bruins" before the Jacobs Family finally got the Fleet Center done. Now a half-century out, a mall was built, a racetrack was razed, a new arena built within inches of the old arena in Boston, and Tuscan Village is likely to move Salem up next to Concord as the #3 biggest town/city in NH, behind only Manchester and Nashua. As long as nobody lays a finger on Canobie Lake Park, I'm good.

It's encouraging to see private money coming into UNH Sports at last, though. Even at the remote outpost that is UMaine, they've had the benefit of Harold Alfond for a long time now. Not sure what's going on at UVM - probably still too socialist up there for them to be thinking of "frivolities" like college sports, not when there's a planet to be saved (LOL). But I'd love to see Faro and UNH getting together. Heck, he'd even be paisan, which should pass muster with Dickie U!!
 
It's encouraging to see private money coming into UNH Sports at last, though. Even at the remote outpost that is UMaine, they've had the benefit of Harold Alfond for a long time now. Not sure what's going on at UVM - probably still too socialist up there for them to be thinking of "frivolities" like college sports, not when there's a planet to be saved (LOL). But I'd love to see Faro and UNH getting together. Heck, he'd even be paisan, which should pass muster with Dickie U!!

It's a very positive sign. As you mentioned he still has a connection with a UNH professor(s), gives UNH a plug on his website "our story" page, and obviously has some level of affinity to the school, and yeah the paisan thing can't hurt! Now the university needs to think big, like what is your ultimate wish list for hockey big, talk to Joe and come up with a plan to really put UNH athletics on the map (with the focus on hockey of course)! Problem is, not sure if Joe is a big sports guy or is even interested. He's probably more focused on developing and expanding the Tuscan brand, not necessarily partnering with is alma mater.

So with that in mind, what would you guys add to your "Ultimate Wish List" for UNH Hockey?
 
So with that in mind, what would you guys add to your "Ultimate Wish List" for UNH Hockey?

That's a loaded question!! :-)

For starters:

1. A coaching staff with well-honed salesmanship skill levels that can sell the living s**t about the benefits of being a Wildcat hockey player.
2. State of the art facilities. We starting to move in that direction thankfully.
3. A return to national prominence. See #1 and #2.
4. The return of a normal sports atmosphere, rather than the family-friendly "carnival" that we're besieged with at a lot of home games

And of course:

5. A NATTY :-)
 
I'll see you crazy wildcat fans during White out the Whitt weekend against Maine, just purchased some front row seats in 107aa one night and 105aa the second night... and I'll be cheering on the road team :):)
 
I'll see you crazy wildcat fans during White out the Whitt weekend against Maine, just purchased some front row seats in 107aa one night and 105aa the second night... and I'll be cheering on the road team :):)

Good for you, groovy. Hoping we can return the favor at Alfond in a few years once we have a real coach in charge.
 
Good for you, groovy. Hoping we can return the favor at Alfond in a few years once we have a real coach in charge.

I'm honestly hoping you guys turn it around eventually. We will see what happens this season we aren't out of the woods yet but finally have a good coach. I went to the Friday game last year and I have always liked UNH fans. They give you some shit but it's all in good fun. I do enjoy your student section too.
 
Well it looks like BU and Harvard are the big winners in early recruiting.Harvard alone has 9 07's. I won't mention who one of the big losers is. lol
 
Well it looks like BU and Harvard are the big winners in early recruiting.Harvard alone has 9 07's. I won't mention who one of the big losers is. lol

I guess the NHL sized sheet and Key Auto Group's souped-up locker room facilities haven't quite landed yet?

Geez, I wonder what could be leading the best young D-1 prospects NOT to come to Durham ...
 
That's a loaded question!! :-)

For starters:

1. A coaching staff with well-honed salesmanship skill levels that can sell the living s**t about the benefits of being a Wildcat hockey player.
2. State of the art facilities. We starting to move in that direction thankfully.
3. A return to national prominence. See #1 and #2.
4. The return of a normal sports atmosphere, rather than the family-friendly "carnival" that we're besieged with at a lot of home games

And of course:

5. A NATTY :-)

All good stuff Scott! Whatever happened to that great anthem singer, I believe he was a Reverend? I'd add that to the list :) Seriously, the coaching piece
I believe is #1 on my list..facilities second like you said. What would a 'normal sports' atmosphere look like to you?

Wow, almost Sept 1!! Won't be long before the 'Cats name a captain. Who you got? I'm going with Luke Reid getting the C, Blaisdell and Sweeney with the A's. Not
necessarily in that order...
 
What would a 'normal sports' atmosphere look like to you?

I'm not 100% sure, but I know Scott goes back a long time with the program, and I'm guessing he's referencing the colorful chants we used to hear from the student section before BS35+ No More went all controlling Karen on The Whitt, and instructed the pep band to play over the most purportedly "offensive" chants. And, of course, put "Black Betty" on the Naughty List. The atmosphere at The Whitt - which used to be amazing for the first decade-plus of the venue - slowly withered and died a quiet death. I truly believe that "feisty" atmosphere used to be a selling point for some of the recruits back in the day, and kind of typified the whole "Live Free or Die" spirit in its own unique way.

Now there is virtually no difference between The Whitt and any other arena. Scott - am I on the right track here?
 
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