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UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
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What is worse look at the last couple years 99-00 and 00-01.
Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
As I said on another thread....
As I said on another thread....
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
Not picking on HR ... but can you imagine 20 years ago, in the mists of time, back in the Wild Wild West early days of USCHO/Hockey L ... someone on the message boards NOT knowing what "LSSU" meant?
Maybe in 20 years' time, after Coach Bazin comes to UNH
some people will wonder, "What does UML mean?"
seriously, that's never gonna happen, but i had to stretch to find a current comparison
My oh my, how the (formerly) mighty have fallen ...
Not picking on HR ... but can you imagine 20 years ago, in the mists of time, back in the Wild Wild West early days of USCHO/Hockey L ... someone on the message boards NOT knowing what "LSSU" meant?
Maybe in 20 years' time, after Coach Bazin comes to UNH
some people will wonder, "What does UML mean?"seriously, that's never gonna happen, but i had to stretch to find a current comparison
My oh my, how the (formerly) mighty have fallen ...
Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
The key to QU's roster is depth - they do have plenty of talent and high-end ability, but yes they round out the roster with 'solid players'. They have no holes, and some of those solid supporting players are in the process of growing into stars. That's what UNH rosters used to look like. Borek brought in some great players, but with each passing year more and more holes started to appear on the roster. The depth and development process was lost. That's what they need to get back...
When I argue for elite recruits, I'm not suggesting they should or could fill their recruiting classes with a few #1 picks every year (although I think they should be competitive for this type of player occasionally). Nor do I think this is a great recruiting strategy. There is a reason the BIG wants to adjust the ages of college hockey players...
The list of talented - low or non-drafted - players, who were highly coveted recruits, to come through UNH in the 90's and 00's is to long to even get into. They were 'elite' in terms of their production in junior leagues and projections for college stardom. There is not one Souza recruit who I'd consider to be this type of player. Additionally, I don't understand a need to offer either of the '99 defensemen at this stage in their development. There are many '98-'99 defensemen already playing in Tier 1 junior leagues and showcasing the potential for DI stardom. Those are the players who should be targeted three years in advance!
So what is the missing piece? Evaluation or standards/expectations for recruiting?
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Re: Anas
Did he lack recruiting interest or did QU aggressively target an elite young player and offer first? Anas was the leading scorer in his league (NAPHL) averaging 2 PPG when he committed (UNH had already bagged Maller, Thrush and Gaudreault from the same team :/ ). Then he moved on to the USHL and dominated, with multiple scouting reports praising him as a 'pure finisher'. He was not under the radar, he was an example of aggressively recruiting elite talent. UNH can, should and would compete for just about any recruit if they properly identify talent at a young age and move on that talent immediately. Recruiting a player first is very important (the right ones)...
Law #1 - http://www.100mills.com/The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing.pdf
There is a difference between QU having the aggressive foresight to commit a young stud and said prospect not having any interest. There is a difference between having the aggressive foresight to commit a young stud and recruiting young kids who weren't going off the market for a while...
The key to QU's roster is depth - they do have plenty of talent and high-end ability, but yes they round out the roster with 'solid players'. They have no holes, and some of those solid supporting players are in the process of growing into stars. That's what UNH rosters used to look like. Borek brought in some great players, but with each passing year more and more holes started to appear on the roster. The depth and development process was lost. That's what they need to get back...
When I argue for elite recruits, I'm not suggesting they should or could fill their recruiting classes with a few #1 picks every year (although I think they should be competitive for this type of player occasionally). Nor do I think this is a great recruiting strategy. There is a reason the BIG wants to adjust the ages of college hockey players...
The list of talented - low or non-drafted - players, who were highly coveted recruits, to come through UNH in the 90's and 00's is to long to even get into. They were 'elite' in terms of their production in junior leagues and projections for college stardom. There is not one Souza recruit who I'd consider to be this type of player. Additionally, I don't understand a need to offer either of the '99 defensemen at this stage in their development. There are many '98-'99 defensemen already playing in Tier 1 junior leagues and showcasing the potential for DI stardom. Those are the players who should be targeted three years in advance!
So what is the missing piece? Evaluation or standards/expectations for recruiting?
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Re: Anas
Did he lack recruiting interest or did QU aggressively target an elite young player and offer first? Anas was the leading scorer in his league (NAPHL) averaging 2 PPG when he committed (UNH had already bagged Maller, Thrush and Gaudreault from the same team :/ ). Then he moved on to the USHL and dominated, with multiple scouting reports praising him as a 'pure finisher'. He was not under the radar, he was an example of aggressively recruiting elite talent. UNH can, should and would compete for just about any recruit if they properly identify talent at a young age and move on that talent immediately. Recruiting a player first is very important (the right ones)...
Law #1 - http://www.100mills.com/The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing.pdf
There is a difference between QU having the aggressive foresight to commit a young stud and said prospect not having any interest. There is a difference between having the aggressive foresight to commit a young stud and recruiting young kids who weren't going off the market for a while...
HockeyRef
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Not picking on HR ... but can you imagine 20 years ago, in the mists of time, back in the Wild Wild West early days of USCHO/Hockey L ... someone on the message boards NOT knowing what "LSSU" meant?
Maybe in 20 years' time, after Coach Bazin comes to UNH
seriously, that's never gonna happen, but i had to stretch to find a current comparison
My oh my, how the (formerly) mighty have fallen ...
Oh my imagine my chagrin when I found out...at least I knoew he had done a HC stint there...no matter I've been making all kinds of messes in here lately....
And yeah I don't think anyone will soon forget UML 
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
A lot of the teams are getting the next tier of 99 projects. Look at Union with Pirko and Fineman, Providence with Mulera and O'Brien, Northeastern with Kislin, UMass with Felix. They're the mid-round picks every team needs to fill out a roster and hope that they get the next Shayne Gostebiere or Sam Annas. That's an area where UNH needs to improve, so if Souza can prove his chops over Borek's epic failures of early commits to mid-rounders (Kalinowski, Smith, Gaudreault, Maller, etc. and even his hits of Sorkin and Thrush were not that big a hits) then that is an improvement.
By the way, NYT story on the Clifton brothers notes that they were teammates of TVR but UNH didn't capitalize on that apparently not interested.
However, as you point out, UNH needs to get a top player, its first or second rounder sort of NFL pick. You can't count enough on hitting with the 4-7 rounders. Like the Patriots, they were stripped of two first round picks (Farabee and Ryczyk) and lost wasted a year of transition. Can they get a top pick? Let's wait and see.
A lot of the teams are getting the next tier of 99 projects. Look at Union with Pirko and Fineman, Providence with Mulera and O'Brien, Northeastern with Kislin, UMass with Felix. They're the mid-round picks every team needs to fill out a roster and hope that they get the next Shayne Gostebiere or Sam Annas. That's an area where UNH needs to improve, so if Souza can prove his chops over Borek's epic failures of early commits to mid-rounders (Kalinowski, Smith, Gaudreault, Maller, etc. and even his hits of Sorkin and Thrush were not that big a hits) then that is an improvement.
By the way, NYT story on the Clifton brothers notes that they were teammates of TVR but UNH didn't capitalize on that apparently not interested.
However, as you point out, UNH needs to get a top player, its first or second rounder sort of NFL pick. You can't count enough on hitting with the 4-7 rounders. Like the Patriots, they were stripped of two first round picks (Farabee and Ryczyk) and lost wasted a year of transition. Can they get a top pick? Let's wait and see.
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
Looks like the long-ballyhooed Jumbotron is not doing its job. Can we fire the Jumbotron?
One more feeble excuse falls by the wayside, as we sit and wait for the tide to turn on the recruiting trails ...
Looks like the long-ballyhooed Jumbotron is not doing its job. Can we fire the Jumbotron?
One more feeble excuse falls by the wayside, as we sit and wait for the tide to turn on the recruiting trails ...
Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
"The campus is absolutely incredible," said Bahn. "The rink is really nice and they just put in a new jumbotron. The biggest thing is that hockey is the sport on campus. Everybody knows the hockey team and loves going to the games."
http://hendersonvillestandard.com/ba...dcats-cms-9222
Looks like the long-ballyhooed Jumbotron is not doing its job. Can we fire the Jumbotron?
One more feeble excuse falls by the wayside, as we sit and wait for the tide to turn on the recruiting trails ...
"The campus is absolutely incredible," said Bahn. "The rink is really nice and they just put in a new jumbotron. The biggest thing is that hockey is the sport on campus. Everybody knows the hockey team and loves going to the games."
http://hendersonvillestandard.com/ba...dcats-cms-9222
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
If Bahn turns into the second coming of (Keith) Yandle, I will retract my previous statement. But not until then.
If Bahn turns into the second coming of (Keith) Yandle, I will retract my previous statement. But not until then.
If Bahn turns into the second coming of (Keith) Yandle, I will retract my previous statement. But not until then.
Keith Yandle? Would not Brian Yandle be an improvement on the blueline? Gotta get through Admissions.
They're still swinging for the fences in ball parks that have traditionally been fertile grounds. Whether the ball goes over the wall, only time will tell.
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
I know the 'tron isn't widely thought of here as a positive, or necessary item at the 'Whitt..but to these kids? You bet it is....they are techies and want to see themselves up there in the replay. At the NCAA D1 Women's game couple of weeks ago, I thought the use of the 'tron was much better than what we typically see, I hate that 'kiss cam' or 'who's eating what in the 'Whitt'...and yes, even the 'fan of the game' (which yours truly was a part of, loved the $50.00 gift card tho...haha). It was more about the game, the teams, etc...
Anyway, I'm in the minority about the value of the 'tron but for those recruits, it matters; maybe NOT the biggest selling point (uh, I hope not....) ...but it does matter.. And as a side note, I really don't care if another arena I visit has one or not...but it's awesome at BU!
If Bahn turns into the second coming of (Keith) Yandle, I will retract my previous statement. But not until then.
I know the 'tron isn't widely thought of here as a positive, or necessary item at the 'Whitt..but to these kids? You bet it is....they are techies and want to see themselves up there in the replay. At the NCAA D1 Women's game couple of weeks ago, I thought the use of the 'tron was much better than what we typically see, I hate that 'kiss cam' or 'who's eating what in the 'Whitt'...and yes, even the 'fan of the game' (which yours truly was a part of, loved the $50.00 gift card tho...haha). It was more about the game, the teams, etc...
Anyway, I'm in the minority about the value of the 'tron but for those recruits, it matters; maybe NOT the biggest selling point (uh, I hope not....) ...but it does matter.. And as a side note, I really don't care if another arena I visit has one or not...but it's awesome at BU!
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HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
Speaking of admissions this morning in a teacher meeting we were shown our new program of studies catalog...and interestingly the NCAA logo is now appearing with courses that most colleges expect (requirements) for athletic participation...
Speaking of admissions this morning in a teacher meeting we were shown our new program of studies catalog...and interestingly the NCAA logo is now appearing with courses that most colleges expect (requirements) for athletic participation...
Well, it's time to start making hay! St Lawrence doesn't even have a coach and...!!!
https://twitter.com/hockeycommits/status/715233588921417728
Haha
Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
"UNH Recruits Update: March-30-2016"
Player Spotlight on Patrick Grasso
"UNH Recruits Update: March-30-2016"
Player Spotlight on Patrick Grasso
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
Am really, really excited about Patrick joining the 'Cats in the Fall...do you expect him to make an immediate impact??
Also, more on Lucas Bahn (Thanks for tweeting this Mike...)
http://www.usphl.com/news_article/show/630693?referrer_id=1576352-news
Am really, really excited about Patrick joining the 'Cats in the Fall...do you expect him to make an immediate impact??
Also, more on Lucas Bahn (Thanks for tweeting this Mike...)
http://www.usphl.com/news_article/show/630693?referrer_id=1576352-news
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
http://go.wisc.edu/yf8046*
Okay. I guess the link doesn't work but Tony Granato named HC at his Alma Mater Wisconsin!
http://go.wisc.edu/yf8046*
Okay. I guess the link doesn't work but Tony Granato named HC at his Alma Mater Wisconsin!
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Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
They have any alums who scored more points? Granato racked up 220 in FOUR (Chuck!) seasons, 1983-1987.
They have any alums who scored more points? Granato racked up 220 in FOUR (Chuck!) seasons, 1983-1987.
Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond
At least one, the guy he replaced had a program-best 267...
At least one, the guy he replaced had a program-best 267...
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