i'zonprize
GRANITE STATE PRIDE
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
have you seen the avg. age of the last 5-6 committed kids to BC?
have you seen the avg. age of the last 5-6 committed kids to BC?
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UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
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RockTheWhit
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Over the past 12 months, BC has committed nine kids. One was a 92, five have been 94's and three have been 95's. UNH does not yet have a 94 committed and only has two commitments from 93's (Chevrier and Vecchione). If UNH is looking to get more top-end kids (and that might not necessarily be the way to go in today's hockey landscape), they should be looking younger.
Over the past 12 months, BC has committed nine kids. One was a 92, five have been 94's and three have been 95's. UNH does not yet have a 94 committed and only has two commitments from 93's (Chevrier and Vecchione). If UNH is looking to get more top-end kids (and that might not necessarily be the way to go in today's hockey landscape), they should be looking younger.
Mosrite
Vintage
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
That's great for BC...but I wonder how many of those 94's or 95's will still be committed to BC two years from now? How many will change their minds?
I can see where it may be necessary to try and get younger top-end talent to committ early. If it works for BC and doesn't work for UNH, then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what the problem is. The fact that UNH has had a slew of de-committments lately has more to do with the UNH coaching staff not crossing the t's and dotting the i's in making sure that these kids meet UNH's admission standards.
That's great for BC...but I wonder how many of those 94's or 95's will still be committed to BC two years from now? How many will change their minds?
I can see where it may be necessary to try and get younger top-end talent to committ early. If it works for BC and doesn't work for UNH, then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what the problem is. The fact that UNH has had a slew of de-committments lately has more to do with the UNH coaching staff not crossing the t's and dotting the i's in making sure that these kids meet UNH's admission standards.
i'zonprize
GRANITE STATE PRIDE
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
well, the last 10 on the Chesenberg board for BC are,
In reverse order:
name Commit date - D/O/B - age at time of commitment
Ted Doherty - 8/10 4/94 16yrs 4mo.
Scott Savage- 7/10 4/95 15yrs 3mo.
Brandon Shea 6/10 1/95 15yrs 4mo.
Steve Santini 5/10 '95 not quite 15.5yrs old
Austin Cangelosi 3/10 8/94 15yrs 7mo.
Quinn Smith 3/10 1/92 18ys 2mo.
Brendan Silk 2/10 1/94 16yrs 1mo.
Frank Vatrano 9/09 3/94 15yrs 5mo.
Brian Billett 12/08 3/92 16yrs 9mo.
KJ Tiefenwerth 8/07 1/92 15ys 7mo.
Apparently BC is not impressed with the '93 crop! 7 of 10 were not even at their 16th birthday, and 50% of those we're not even 15.5yrs old. 1 kid was 15.5 That's a lot of $ tied up for kids that have a long rd to go before they come close to steppong on the ice at Chesnut Hill. It could work out great, however as it tends to go- some could plateau, get hurt, head to the O, or be acedemically inelligible. Are they sure what a 15yr old kid is going to score on his SAT's or get for grades in his next 2.5yrs of HS?
well, the last 10 on the Chesenberg board for BC are,
In reverse order:
name Commit date - D/O/B - age at time of commitment
Ted Doherty - 8/10 4/94 16yrs 4mo.
Scott Savage- 7/10 4/95 15yrs 3mo.
Brandon Shea 6/10 1/95 15yrs 4mo.
Steve Santini 5/10 '95 not quite 15.5yrs old
Austin Cangelosi 3/10 8/94 15yrs 7mo.
Quinn Smith 3/10 1/92 18ys 2mo.
Brendan Silk 2/10 1/94 16yrs 1mo.
Frank Vatrano 9/09 3/94 15yrs 5mo.
Brian Billett 12/08 3/92 16yrs 9mo.
KJ Tiefenwerth 8/07 1/92 15ys 7mo.
Apparently BC is not impressed with the '93 crop! 7 of 10 were not even at their 16th birthday, and 50% of those we're not even 15.5yrs old. 1 kid was 15.5 That's a lot of $ tied up for kids that have a long rd to go before they come close to steppong on the ice at Chesnut Hill. It could work out great, however as it tends to go- some could plateau, get hurt, head to the O, or be acedemically inelligible. Are they sure what a 15yr old kid is going to score on his SAT's or get for grades in his next 2.5yrs of HS?
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
On a lighter note:
(1) 18-year-old Maxim Gaudreault (DOB 7-16-92), who committed to UNH last May (http://teammaryland.com/news2.php?news_id=267497), scored his first goal as a USHL player:
http://www.musketeershockey.com/leagues/newsletter.cfm?clientid=2792&leagueid=7026&page=46650
AND
(2) 18-year-old Casey Thrush (DOB 5-5-92), who committed to UNH last October (http://teammaryland.com/news2.php?news_id=207554) scored his first USHL goal:
http://www.muskegonlumberjacks.com/...ent&view=category&layout=blog&id=52&Itemid=56
On a lighter note:
(1) 18-year-old Maxim Gaudreault (DOB 7-16-92), who committed to UNH last May (http://teammaryland.com/news2.php?news_id=267497), scored his first goal as a USHL player:
http://www.musketeershockey.com/leagues/newsletter.cfm?clientid=2792&leagueid=7026&page=46650
AND
(2) 18-year-old Casey Thrush (DOB 5-5-92), who committed to UNH last October (http://teammaryland.com/news2.php?news_id=207554) scored his first USHL goal:
http://www.muskegonlumberjacks.com/...ent&view=category&layout=blog&id=52&Itemid=56
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Carmine Scarpaglia
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
What exactly are you getting at? BC knows what they're doing and clearly it has translated onto the ice quite well for about a decade and a half now. Generally speaking, they don't get many decommitments at all and have almost never had admissions issues.
Just by using some common sense, wouldn't the BC model of recruiting that has led to their insanely successful past decade+ be what you would want to follow rather than shy away from? Maybe BC very carefully picks these kids and that is why BC has had success in getting almost all of them on campus and keeping a very large percentage of them on campus for a significant amount of time? It's not the age. It's the type of kid they bring in.
Let me predict the future for you. Almost all of those kids will end up at BC with no problems getting through admissions and will stick around for a while (the fact that they're almost all local helps tremendously).
What exactly are you getting at? BC knows what they're doing and clearly it has translated onto the ice quite well for about a decade and a half now. Generally speaking, they don't get many decommitments at all and have almost never had admissions issues.
Just by using some common sense, wouldn't the BC model of recruiting that has led to their insanely successful past decade+ be what you would want to follow rather than shy away from? Maybe BC very carefully picks these kids and that is why BC has had success in getting almost all of them on campus and keeping a very large percentage of them on campus for a significant amount of time? It's not the age. It's the type of kid they bring in.
Let me predict the future for you. Almost all of those kids will end up at BC with no problems getting through admissions and will stick around for a while (the fact that they're almost all local helps tremendously).
Gibber
Little Boxes
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
If only BC could find some consistency and success
If only BC could find some consistency and success
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
I agree that it is a good model BUT it works because they are BC. When another school tries the same thing at an early age, the kid sits around thinking, "I signed on to early and should have waited for BC/BU/Harvard. Maybe not at first, but if Lowell or U Mass/NE etc sign a kid today for 2013 and he breaks out in USHL in 11/12, don't you think that thought will go thru his head? yes it will. But if it is BU/BC/Harvard, they can't wait to get there.
BC doesnt get to 100% cherry pick either, it tends to go in cycles. They didn't take as many 93's because they missed out on a few of the real stud players. BU gets the momentum as well.
BC would have loved to have grabbed Russo, Grimaldi, Hohmann, Selman, Ryan etc?
BC loses out more than you might think. Just been fortunate over last 3 or 4 years in particular that outside Warsofsky, New England kids wanted to go BC only.
Could just as easily swing BU's way over next 4 or 5 years. Trust me when I tell you they wanted Charlie Coyle badly.
I agree that it is a good model BUT it works because they are BC. When another school tries the same thing at an early age, the kid sits around thinking, "I signed on to early and should have waited for BC/BU/Harvard. Maybe not at first, but if Lowell or U Mass/NE etc sign a kid today for 2013 and he breaks out in USHL in 11/12, don't you think that thought will go thru his head? yes it will. But if it is BU/BC/Harvard, they can't wait to get there.
BC doesnt get to 100% cherry pick either, it tends to go in cycles. They didn't take as many 93's because they missed out on a few of the real stud players. BU gets the momentum as well.
BC would have loved to have grabbed Russo, Grimaldi, Hohmann, Selman, Ryan etc?
BC loses out more than you might think. Just been fortunate over last 3 or 4 years in particular that outside Warsofsky, New England kids wanted to go BC only.
Could just as easily swing BU's way over next 4 or 5 years. Trust me when I tell you they wanted Charlie Coyle badly.
i'zonprize
GRANITE STATE PRIDE
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Rather defensive, Carmine? My point is simple. BC has a lot of $ tied up in very young kids, which is risky no matter which school it is due to the variables that occur with that amount of time. Thus, a few kids are likely to drop off along the way as a result. What I'm not doing is arguing their success! They've had their fair share and then some.
Rather defensive, Carmine? My point is simple. BC has a lot of $ tied up in very young kids, which is risky no matter which school it is due to the variables that occur with that amount of time. Thus, a few kids are likely to drop off along the way as a result. What I'm not doing is arguing their success! They've had their fair share and then some.
Clark Hislop Cox
A Foolish Fan Since 1970
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
A primer on the recruiting war between the NCAA and Canadian Major Juniors:
http://www.hockeyjournal.com/news/2010/09/12_collegehockey.php
A primer on the recruiting war between the NCAA and Canadian Major Juniors:
http://www.hockeyjournal.com/news/2010/09/12_collegehockey.php
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
No school gets every target, but BC has a much higher success rate than most. Besides OMFG Warsofsky!!! BC owns the local kids. As you know from creeping at the local rinks, almost every kid there is wearing a BC hat.
No school gets every target, but BC has a much higher success rate than most. Besides OMFG Warsofsky!!! BC owns the local kids. As you know from creeping at the local rinks, almost every kid there is wearing a BC hat.
SteveF
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
well another thing to consider is that most, if not all, of the good '93s will be coming to campus in 2011.. BC's current senior class is 3 (Muse/Gibbons/Whitney) with only 2 being skaters, so from a recruiting standpoint there werent many slots to fill with a '93. For 2011, they've had Tiefenworth ('92) locked up for a long time, and recently added Smith (another '92). They already have replacements for Muse lined up in Milner/Billett/Barone
that isnt to say BC hasnt lost out on any '93s. I'm sure they have. and when a bunch of pro defections hit BC very hard after this season, everyone will realize that even more. but you still wont be able to say they could have planned for it any better so far in advance.
well another thing to consider is that most, if not all, of the good '93s will be coming to campus in 2011.. BC's current senior class is 3 (Muse/Gibbons/Whitney) with only 2 being skaters, so from a recruiting standpoint there werent many slots to fill with a '93. For 2011, they've had Tiefenworth ('92) locked up for a long time, and recently added Smith (another '92). They already have replacements for Muse lined up in Milner/Billett/Barone
that isnt to say BC hasnt lost out on any '93s. I'm sure they have. and when a bunch of pro defections hit BC very hard after this season, everyone will realize that even more. but you still wont be able to say they could have planned for it any better so far in advance.
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
just as many bu fans, if not more
bu has zero attendance at game issues
just as many bu fans, if not more
bu has zero attendance at game issues
SteveF
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
sure. i dont even know who exactly you are referring to. but 'if they stay' applies to every player on every program... star players getting nhl offers, role players getting limited time, goalies in a rotation, or kids who are homesick or dont like going to class.
best you can do is accelerate the kids who are playing in USHL or so. Its different when you are getting kids right out of HS who have to finish a degree before moving on to the NCAA
sure. i dont even know who exactly you are referring to. but 'if they stay' applies to every player on every program... star players getting nhl offers, role players getting limited time, goalies in a rotation, or kids who are homesick or dont like going to class.
best you can do is accelerate the kids who are playing in USHL or so. Its different when you are getting kids right out of HS who have to finish a degree before moving on to the NCAA
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
What does this even mean?
I'll tell you for every BU hat I see, I see ten BC hats. Not sure if that means anything, but it's obvious.
What does this even mean?
I'll tell you for every BU hat I see, I see ten BC hats. Not sure if that means anything, but it's obvious.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Absolutely correct. Maybe hokydad was confused because it's almost impossible to spend time at a rink and not come to this conclusion.
Absolutely correct. Maybe hokydad was confused because it's almost impossible to spend time at a rink and not come to this conclusion.
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Well, it's also likely he's spending more time looking at them below their waists than at their hats..I bet you could accurately tell us whether they are wearing BC or BU beltbuckles....
Well, it's also likely he's spending more time looking at them below their waists than at their hats..I bet you could accurately tell us whether they are wearing BC or BU beltbuckles....