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UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

I could be wrong, but I am under the impression that the question raised was whether he got what HE needed from UNH (judging from the context talking about recruiting impact).

I may have misintepreted Bag-Oh's comment.

My take is that there were two basic truths about UNH men's hockey prior to JVR suiting up in a Wildcats' uniform. First, UNH had never won a National Championship. Second, UNH had never had an elite, top 3 recruit. Heck, prior to JVR, I don't think a first round draft pick ever played for UNH. When JVR committed to UNH and actually showed up (unlike the young Bourque), some hoped (including me) that the two truisms would change. There were hopes that the elite play from an elite recruit would lead UNH to its first NC and that would, in turn, lead to more elite recruits coming to UNH. Obviously, neither happened. JVR was a solid, very good college hockey player but his play did not rise to the level of elite or All-American status (IMO). If he had almost single-handedly lead UNH to a National Championship, the way Gerbe did for BC, there would have been unparalled joy in Durhamville and the future of the UNH program would be brighter than ever.

I think Bag-Oh raised the specter of JVR's tenure having the opposite effect on UNH hockey. That is, top NHL recruits will look at JVR and UNH's modest accomplishments, especially in the 08-09 season, and decide that UNH is not a step on the yellow brick road.
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

CHC, agree with the premise. One small correction -- Norm Lacombe, #10 overall in 1983. But that's minor.

The fact is JVR probably couldn't change the perception downward too much. Even before he stepped on the ice the NHL crowd hated UNH as a "development" program -- TSN draft coverage repeatedly told how the NHL gms wanted JVR to play in the OHL rather than at UNH. Then, Holmgren agitated for him to leave UNH after his freshman year. To his credit, JVR saw college as more than a hockey development, and seemed to have grown as a person, even if his play "stagnated" at UNH. Undoubtedly his stagnation will reinforce the perception and cause some players to stay away -- I suspect Bourque's decision ultimately reflects on their confidence in Umile.

That said, most recruits aren't that smart. JVR has gobs of talent, and showed it during the world juniors. He didn't necessarily "stagnate" at UNH, but his play -- and a lot of it was a function of having no talent around him -- was hardly consistent.

Yet, its marketing, and if JVR becomes John Leclair, UNH will slap an "NHL" photo of 6 time All-star JVR on the wall, so that when recruits come through, they'll credit UNH for him. It's stupid, but Wisconsin, BC and BU do it, showing all the NHLers they produce, failing to mention that they get virtually every first round pick, and in a years' time can't do a lot to screw up, or help, the Tkachuks, Guerins, Leetchs, and Janneys of the world. If Kyle Turris busts, noone will blame Wisconsin because they can slap photos of lots of NHLers next to his. Just like the OHL claims to be the best development league in the world, ignoring that 95% of the top rated 16 year olds choose the route, yet major junior produces only 40% of the NHL talent.

It's stupid, but UNH will benefit from it if he plays well in the NHL, and people will forget about his actual play for UNH.
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

<table><td><b>2010 Recruits</b></td><td><b>Pos</b></td><td align="center"><b>Ht</b></td><td align="center"><b>Wt</b></td><td align="center"><b>DOB</b></td><td><b>Team (League)</b></td><td align="center"><b>GP</b></td><td align="center"><b>G</b></td><td align="center"><b>A</b></td><td align="center"><b>PTS</b></td><td align="center"><b>PIM</b></td><br/><br/><br/><br/><tr><td>Cam Reid</td><td align="center">LC</td><td align="center">6'2"</td><td align="center">183</td><td align="center">8-25-91</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&teamID=224092&playerID=331392">Westside</a> (BCHL)</td><td align="center">6</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center">7</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">8</td></tr> <tr><td>Grayson Downing</td><td align="center">LW</td><td align="center">5’11</td><td align="center">165</td><td align="center">4-18-92</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&teamID=224092&playerID=478609">Westside (BCHL)</a></td><td align="center">6</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center">7</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td></tr> <tr><td>Jeff Silengo</td><td align="center">RW</td><td align="center">6’2</td><td align="center">175</td><td align="center">2-26-90</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=3209834&seasonid=4429">Sioux City (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr><tr><td>Joey Laleggia</td><td align="center">LD</td><td align="center">5'10"</td><td align="center">170</td><td align="center">6-24-92</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&teamID=224101&leagueID=2393&playerID=455520">Penticton (BCHL)</a></td><td align="center">7</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td></tr><tr><td>Eric Knodel</td><td align="center">LD</td><td align="center">6'6"</td><td align="center">225</td><td align="center">6-8-90</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=3213404&seasonid=4429">Des Moines (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr><tr><td>Justin Agosta</td><td align="center">RD</td><td align="center">6'1"</td><td align="center">205</td><td align="center">10-9-90</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=3210134&seasonid=4429">Indiana (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr><tr><td>Cody Campbell</td><td align="center">G</td><td align="center">5’11</td><td align="center">165</td><td align="center">2-25-92</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=2288278&seasonid=3192">Fargo (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr><td><b>2011 Recruits</b></td><td><b>Pos</b></td><td align="center"><b>Ht</b></td><td align="center"><b>Wt</b></td><td align="center"><b>DOB</b></td><td><b>Team (League)</b></td><td align="center"><b>GP</b></td><td align="center"><b>G</b></td><td align="center"><b>A</b></td><td align="center"><b>PTS</b></td><td align="center"><b>PIM</b></td><br/><br/><br/><br/></tr> <tr><td>Jamie Hill</td><td align="center">RC</td><td align="center">5'9</td><td align="center">175</td><td align="center">2-23-92</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=3213703&seasonid=4429">Waterloo (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr><tr><td>Nick Sorkin</td><td align="center">LW</td><td align="center">6’2</td><td align="center">175</td><td align="center">6-3-91</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=3213704&seasonid=4429">Waterloo (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr><tr><td>Kyle Smith</td><td align="center">RC</td><td align="center">5’10</td><td align="center">175</td><td align="center">2-14-92</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&teamID=173498&playerID=478609">Jr.Bruins (EJHL)</a></td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center">0</td></tr><tr><td>Eric Chevrier</td><td align="center">RD</td><td align="center">5’9</td><td align="center">190</td><td align="center">-94</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&teamID=173498&playerID=478609">Cushing Prep</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr><tr><td>Jeff Wyer</td><td align="center">G</td><td align="center">5’11</td><td align="center">175</td><td align="center">7-5-91</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&teamID=173498&playerID=478609">Jr.Warriors (EJHL)</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr>
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re: Cam Reid deferring late in August and Speelman being signed late. Here's the explanation.

Having deferred a coveted NCAA scholarship to the University of New Hampshire for a year to get some more academics under his belt, Reid, 18, has been a dominant offensive force for the Warriors in the three regular-season games they’ve played so far.
 
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

I don't think that's as bad as it might sound. Cam is hardly 18yrs old. Nothing abnormal about a D1 athelete deferring to mature physically, and academically.

When did Sorkin which from the Jr. Monarchs to the USHL?

Pop Quiz. Cam Reid picked up 2 minutes for slashing this fellow UNH recruit??
 
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

I don't think that's as bad as it might sound. Cam is hardly 18yrs old. Nothing abnormal about a D1 athelete deferring to mature physically, and academically.

When did Sorkin which from the Jr. Monarchs to the USHL?

Pop Quiz. Cam Reid picked up 2 minutes for slashing this fellow UNH recruit??

Sorkin and Jamie Hill are paired up on a line for Waterloo this year and have connected on goals on a few occasions already.
I'll assume Reid slashed Laleggia since he's the only future Wildcat on a different team in the BCHL.
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

If he had almost single-handedly lead UNH to a National Championship, the way Gerbe did for BC, there would have been unparalled joy in Durhamville and the future of the UNH program would be brighter than ever.

I think Bag-Oh raised the specter of JVR's tenure having the opposite effect on UNH hockey. That is, top NHL recruits will look at JVR and UNH's modest accomplishments, especially in the 08-09 season, and decide that UNH is not a step on the yellow brick road.

Thanks folks for the thoughtful responses. CHC & Watcher, I wasn't aware of UNH already getting so little regard from the NHL. Oddly, that makes me feel better.

If stepping-stone-to-NHL-success isn't part of the pitch that already lands some high quality recruits then there is no real downside. It's not that recruiting couldn't be improved I'm sure...just that there is limited impact if JVR struggles & any distinction he achieves is only a positive.
 
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<table><td><b>2010 Recruits</b></td><td><b>Pos</b></td><td align="center"><b>Ht</b></td><td align="center"><b>Wt</b></td><td align="center"><b>DOB</b></td><td><b>Team (League)</b></td><td align="center"><b>GP</b></td><td align="center"><b>G</b></td><td align="center"><b>A</b></td><td align="center"><b>PTS</b></td><td align="center"><b>PIM</b></td><br/><br/><br/><br/><tr><td>Cam Reid</td><td align="center">LC</td><td align="center">6'2"</td><td align="center">188</td><td align="center">8-25-91</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&teamID=224092&playerID=331392">Westside</a> (BCHL)</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">6</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">16</td><td align="center">12</td></tr> <tr><td>Grayson Downing</td><td align="center">LW</td><td align="center">5’11</td><td align="center">165</td><td align="center">4-18-92</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&teamID=224092&playerID=478609">Westside (BCHL)</a></td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center">7</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">6</td></tr> <tr><td>Jeff Silengo</td><td align="center">RW</td><td align="center">6’2</td><td align="center">175</td><td align="center">2-26-90</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=3209834&seasonid=4429">Sioux City (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">0</td><td align="center">0</td><td align="center">0</td><td align="center">0</td></tr><tr><td>Joey Laleggia</td><td align="center">LD</td><td align="center">5'10"</td><td align="center">170</td><td align="center">6-24-92</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&teamID=224101&leagueID=2393&playerID=455520">Penticton (BCHL)</a></td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td></tr><tr><td>Eric Knodel</td><td align="center">LD</td><td align="center">6'6"</td><td align="center">225</td><td align="center">6-8-90</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=3213404&seasonid=4429">Des Moines (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center">0</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center">0</td></tr><tr><td>Justin Agosta</td><td align="center">RD</td><td align="center">6'1"</td><td align="center">205</td><td align="center">10-9-90</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=3210134&seasonid=4429">Indiana (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">0</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">2</td></tr><tr><td>Cody Campbell</td><td align="center">G</td><td align="center">5’11</td><td align="center">165</td><td align="center">2-25-92</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=2288278&seasonid=3192">Fargo (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr><td><b>2011 Recruits</b></td><td><b>Pos</b></td><td align="center"><b>Ht</b></td><td align="center"><b>Wt</b></td><td align="center"><b>DOB</b></td><td><b>Team (League)</b></td><td align="center"><b>GP</b></td><td align="center"><b>G</b></td><td align="center"><b>A</b></td><td align="center"><b>PTS</b></td><td align="center"><b>PIM</b></td><br/><br/><br/><br/></tr> <tr><td>Jamie Hill</td><td align="center">RC</td><td align="center">5'10</td><td align="center">175</td><td align="center">2-23-92</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=3213703&seasonid=4429">Waterloo (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center">0</td></tr><tr><td>Nick Sorkin</td><td align="center">LW</td><td align="center">6’2</td><td align="center">175</td><td align="center">6-3-91</td><td><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com/stats/pro/playerpage.html?playerid=3213704&seasonid=4429">Waterloo (USHL)</a></td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center">0</td></tr><tr><td>Kyle Smith</td><td align="center">RC</td><td align="center">5’10</td><td align="center">175</td><td align="center">2-14-92</td><td><a href="http://ejhl.stats.pointstreak.com/playerpage.html?playerid=3212715&seasonid=4216">Jr.Bruins (EJHL)</a></td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center">0</td></tr><tr><td>Eric Chevrier</td><td align="center">RD</td><td align="center">5’9</td><td align="center">190</td><td align="center">-94</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&teamID=173498&playerID=478609">Cushing Prep</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr><tr><td>Jeff Wyer</td><td align="center">G</td><td align="center">5’11</td><td align="center">175</td><td align="center">7-5-91</td><td><a href="http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/rosters_profile.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&teamID=173498&playerID=478609">Jr.Warriors (EJHL)</a></td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td><td align="center">-</td></tr>
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

So now that UNH has tapped out the mid-Atlantic states (Hill, Sorkin and Smith) they have moved on down to recruiting in FL. Any idea who the "skilled Floridian" referred to on USHR ?
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

So now that UNH has tapped out the mid-Atlantic states (Hill, Sorkin and Smith) they have moved on down to recruiting in FL. Any idea who the "skilled Floridian" referred to on USHR ?

Kevin Goumas of the Indiana Ice.
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

This could work out well for me when I move out to Indy later this month as Agosta and now Goumas are out there for the Ice.
 
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Haven't been on in a while.. some positive info from USHR following the fall classic about 2010 recruits..

Nick Sorkin, a UNH recruit who was passed over in June’s NHL draft, continued to make a name for himself, and could go quite high his second time through the draft. At least one scout we have spoken to pushed his boss to draft him, but the team got cold feet due to the fact that Sorkin was playing midgets – in Maryland. There’s a lesson to be learned there – probably several.

“A” Forwards:

Connor Brickley, 2/25/92, 6-2/195, #20 Des Moines (Vermont)
Jaden Schwartz, 6/25/92, 5-10/180, #8 Tri-City (CC)
* Nick Sorkin, 6/30/91, 6-1½/166, #21 Waterloo (UNH)
Brian Ferlin, 6/3/92, 6-1/192, #16 Indiana (Cornell)

“B” Defensemen:

*Oleg Yevenka, 4/7/91, 6-7/230, #25 Fargo (uncommitted)
Mathieu Brisson, 3/9/92, 6-1/187, #52 Omaha (Cornell)
Brandon Carlson, 6/15/92, 6-2/200, #6 Des Moines (uncommitted)
Nolan Zajac, 8/1/92, 5-10/170, #44 Cedar Rapids (uncommitted)
*Andrej Sustr, 11/29/90, 6-6/195, #3 Youngstown (uncommitted)
*Jean-Laurence Beauchemin, 2/19/91, 6-4/187, #4 Youngstown (uncommitted)
*Alexander Kugali, 6/13/91, 6-2/225, #6 Indiana (uncommitted)
*Zach Palmquist, 12/9/90, 5-11/175, #17 Waterloo (Mankato)
*Brian O’Rourke, 4/4/91, 6-1/185, #28 Green Bay (Nebraska-Omaha)
*Justin Agosta, 10/9/90, 6-1/200, #19 Indiana (UNH)
*Luke Eibler, 3/21/91, 6-3/175, #18 Youngstown (Northeastern)
*Dan Senkbeil, 9/7/91, 6-4/185, #77 Youngstown (uncommitted)
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

NHL Central Scouting 2010 Players to Watch has some UNH recruit interest

Ones to Watch - North American Players
ALSO SEE: ONES TO WATCH - EUROPEAN

* PLAYERS LISTED WITH 2008-09 TEAMS

EJHL (A list)
First Name Last Name Club Position
Colin Markison New Jersey Hitmen RW

HIGH-CT (B list)
First Name Last Name Club Position
Kevin Goumas Canterbury C
Nicholas Luukko The Gunnery LW
Mike Pereira South Kent School LW

HIGH-MA (A list)
First Name Last Name Club Position
Billy Arnold Nobles C
Charlie Coyle Thayer Academy RW
Kevin Hayes Nobles

HIGH-MA (B list)
First Name Last Name Club Position
Connor Brickley Belmont Hill C
John Caldwell Belmont Hill D
Cody Ferriero Governor's Academy C
Nicholas Lovejoy Deerfield D
Brandon McNally Belmont Hill LW
Tom O'Regan St. Sebastian School LW
Mike Reardon Nobles D

REF: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=37762
 
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Crossing the border tomorrow to watch Downing, Reid and the rest of the Westside Warriors at Surrey...
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

Crossing the border tomorrow to watch Downing, Reid and the rest of the Westside Warriors at Surrey...

Surrey 6, Westside 4 -- Westside dominated play all night, out-shooting Surrey around 44-21, but a sloppy start to the third resulted in three Eagle goals. Reid finished with a goal and two assists, while Downing added a goal of his own...

Reid was easily the most noticeable player on the ice tonight - he is BIG, can really handle the puck and has good skating ability. He drifted on occasion, but when he is moving his feet he is strong on the puck and tough to match up with. He could easily skate for UNH this fall, but I think with the extra year in juniors he makes an immediate impact next season.

Downing is quiet and smooth - he looks and plays a lot like a young (but taller) Darren Haydar. Im certainly not saying he'll match Haydar's UNH career, but he's always cruising the slot and always in the right place at the right time. He scored a nice goal on a deflection in tight...good hands, he'll pick up a lot of garbage near the net. Was GREAT on the PK tonight...

Also heard UNH in on Colton Sissons, who was OK - but he's young, one of only two '93s playing tonight, and has some filling out to do.

Surrey forward, Manraj Hayer (the other '93) was VERY impressive. He can really skate and pass the puck...
 
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Dan,
Thanks for the details. This looks like a pretty good core coming in next yr. Although Reid's NHL club has stated that they expect that he'll spend 4 yrs in college.. but you just never know.


Anyway, we have our first member of the '12 class. Casey Thrush from Team Maryland a '92. Team Maryland was in the stands for the Maine game, maybe even NU. UNH apparently liked what they saw!
 
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A few things.

A) I want to know more about Casey Thrush. Watcher, your thoughts?



B) Who else is on the radar? I see all these "targets" on the recruits blog, but we keep getting people who are not on that list. And frankly I am not too impressed with Ryan Randall and some others... Although I am interested in Evan Shultz and David Friedmann.
What type of player is Goumas? Good pick up?

C) Can we please get Beau Bennett? I assume he has plans for MJ's but he should follow Laleggia (hopefully) to NH.
 
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