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UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

Nailed it ...

Nailed it ...

Sorry that facts bother you or otherwise intrude on your reality. Here's another reality - Apart from Michigan's trio, the UNH coaching staff has been the only staff to stay the same since 2003. During that time, in your view, has UNH (1) progressed, (2) stayed the same, or (3) regressed?

Also, succesful coaches all have a "Coaching Tree" where they bring in young interns/volunteer assistants, and slowly incorporate them. Walsh, for example, has Greg Cronin, Bruce Crowder, Jay Leach, Red Gendron, etc. York has Paluch, Rolston while at BC. UNH has had no young former players as Volunteer assistants, other than Chris Bragnalo, who was administrative.

In both areas, the coaching staff is insular, having had a single perspective for the past 7 years, with no outside energy or voices. That is HIGHLY UNIQUE apart from Michigan, which I think we both can agree is different.


Snarkiness aside, I suspect our differences depend upon expectations. If you are happy with a program that is 10-16th in the country, but not likely to make the Final Four, then there's no need for "change."

If, however, you look at the thread on fan apathy, the drop in income to the program from lost season ticket holders, and a drop from being a FF candiate, then perhaps you can see an argument for changing something up.

My natural question then is how is Umile at recruiting, and the answer seems to be Assistant dependent. Look at the players Umile inherited during the two Kullen years before Umile, that he rode to the 92 NCAA appearance:

Adam Hayes
Scott Morrow
Steve Morrow
Frank Messina
Mark McGinn
Joe Flanagan
Savo Mitrovic
Domenic Amodeo (*)
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Pat Szturm
Chris Thayer
Matt Trenovich
Reil Bellegarde
Bill Lacouture
Bruce MacDonald
Pat Morrison
Adrien Plavsic
David MacIntyre
Kevin Dean
Chris Winnes


The look at who he added in the 1989-92 period:

Trent Cavicchi
Scott Robison
Erik Fitzgerald
Brian Putnam
Mike McCready
Sean Perry
Steve Pleau
Bryan Muir
Tom O'Brien
Mike Sullivan
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Cory Cash
Pat Norton
Nick Poole
Jeff Lenz
Eric Royal
Kent Schmidtke
Eric Flinton
Ted Russell
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Mike Guilbert
Rob Chebator
Jeff Levy
Rob Donovan
Scott Malone
Glenn Stewart
Jason Dexter
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Greg Blow
Jeff St.Laurent
Bret Abel
Greg Klym
Jesse Cooper
Kevin Thomson
Jim McGrath


My take away is that Umile inherited a very talented class, but then brought in lower talent, a lot from his blue collar Mass guys (Thomson, Chebator, Sullivan).

Suddenly, in 1992, a young assistant is brought in, and what do we have?

Erik Johnson
Joey Moran
Tim Murray
Brian Larochelle
Tom Nolan
Dean Woodman
Eric Boguniecki
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Dylan Dellezay
Trevor Amundrud
Mark Mowers
Erik Nickulas

Pat Bottino
Rob Gagnon
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Sean Matile
Ryan Bencurek
Chad Onufrechuk
Christian Bragnalo
Jason Krog
Derek Bekar
Brad Erbsland
Steve O'Brien

So, i come to the conclusion that Umile, by himself, is not that good a recruiter, with a preference for complementary hard workers from Mass burbs. The talent was brought in by others.

So, there is a need for a VERY GOOD recruiter. I'll leave it to you to answer whether we have that.

As someone who has taken much heat over the years for "overlong" posts, I'm glad you had the patience & persistence to put this together, 'watcher. Very objective ... and very persuasive. Wish I did not agree with what your implied conclusion here is, but I do. :o
 
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So, there is a need for a VERY GOOD recruiter. I'll leave it to you to answer whether we have that.

Is it the recruiter isn't good or is it that the strategy isn't good?

You look at some of “Borek’s” gets and they looked good. Unfortunately, a chunk of those never hit campus. That isn’t bad selling to me it is bad strategy. I also think the waiting too long is bad strategy.

Maybe it is one and the same…
 
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Speeking a recruting

So evury singel guy on de UNHs footballs team ad betteur academique credentials den Cam Reid? Evury singel one a dem guy?

I meen dey got in et e didnt so...

I find dat tres tres ard to beleeve.
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

Speeking a recruting

So evury singel guy on de UNHs footballs team ad betteur academique credentials den Cam Reid? Evury singel one a dem guy?

I meen dey got in et e didnt so...

I find dat tres tres ard to beleeve.

I wonder if the hockey team burned some bridges with a couple of D-men that missed the spring semester their senior year because of grades.

Admissions might now be saying to the hockey team - you told us it wasn't going to be a problem and it was here and here it was, so why should we believe you?

reap what you sow...
 
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I wonder if the hockey team burned some bridges with a couple of D-men that missed the spring semester their senior year because of grades.

Admissions might now be saying to the hockey team - you told us it wasn't going to be a problem and it was here and here it was, so why should we believe you?

reap what you sow...

The cynical part of me also wonders that while hockey has long been king at UNH, $carano desperately wants the football program to grow into the #1 sport. It's tough to build a money maker at the 1aa level in football, but those that do so, do very well. Hence all the talk about turning Cowell into a true "stadium," seating as many as 15k in some of the plans I've heard.

Could Athletics be pressuring Admissions to go easier on the football team these days?

Not sure exactly how much pull they have, but it's pretty much known that across the board (even at the Ivies), that athletes get a bit more leeway than the average student when it comes to admissions.
 
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Adam Hayes
Scott Morrow
Steve Morrow
Frank Messina
Mark McGinn
Joe Flanagan
Savo Mitrovic
Domenic Amodeo (*)
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Having nothing to do with the intention of your post...Man I loved Savo - those were some fun games! Thanks for the posting as this brought back some wonderful memories.
 
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And, a propos the recent issues, Amodeo was deferred from Kullen's first recruiting class (after an MVP/league leading scroer season with Henry Carr) by the admissions department.

Made it the second year.
 
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And, a propos the recent issues, Amodeo was deferred from Kullen's first recruiting class (after an MVP/league leading scroer season with Henry Carr) by the admissions department.

Made it the second year.

I have heard that Bob Norton had both Eruzione and Silk coming to UNH but couldn't get them past admissions. BU picked them up after they were denied from UNH.

There are however two versions from there, one that says Cox and Lumley (?)would have still been coming to UNH and one that says they only came because those two didn't get in so UNH went after them.
 
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The cynical part of me also wonders that while hockey has long been king at UNH, $carano desperately wants the football program to grow into the #1 sport. It's tough to build a money maker at the 1aa level in football, but those that do so, do very well. Hence all the talk about turning Cowell into a true "stadium," seating as many as 15k in some of the plans I've heard.

Could Athletics be pressuring Admissions to go easier on the football team these days?

Not sure exactly how much pull they have, but it's pretty much known that across the board (even at the Ivies), that athletes get a bit more leeway than the average student when it comes to admissions.

I've heard Marty Scarano talk enough times to know that he doesn't want any program to succeed at the expense of another and that he wants every program to excel. For UNH Athletics to be healthy, we need the hockey, football and basketball teams with good attendance generating revenue. And if Volleyball and Gymnastics also provide decent revenue, then so much the better.

As far as academics go, the UNH Football team has been recognized the past two years for having a top ten graduation rate in Division One. They're graduating over 90% of their players! Their APR numbers are correspondingly high. I don't think Admissions has been giving Football a "blank check" at all.

As far as facilities go, Cowell Stadium is absolutely horrendous. It was build back in the 30's, the capacity is only 6,500 (not including the bleachers they bring in for the students in the end zone by the old baseball field). I've been to UNH football games at Delaware, William & Mary, Villanova, Towson, Hofstra, Hampton, Georgia Southern, Southern Illinois, Northern Iowa, UMass, etc. I've seen the stadiums at Lehigh, Lafayette, James Madison, The Citadel, Yale, Penn, Princeton, Bucknell, Morgan State, etc. We are so far behind the FCS curve that it is amazing the job that Coach McDonnell has done with this program!! With Hofstra and Northeastern dropping football and Old Dominion joining the CAA, we need improved facilities to recruit and increased capacity to raise revenue in order to remain competitive.

Before the Whittemore Center opened, I always said that hockey and football were 1A and 1B at UNH. During the Bill Bowes Era, UNH Football averaged around 10K fans in a larger Cowell Stadium. JMHO, but both sports can be successful at UNH without harming the other.
 
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I wonder if the hockey team burned some bridges with a couple of D-men that missed the spring semester their senior year because of grades.

Admissions might now be saying to the hockey team - you told us it wasn't going to be a problem and it was here and here it was, so why should we believe you?

reap what you sow...

From what I've heard over the years (with other sports), this is entirely possible. You get a "break" from Admissions and the kid does well, you earn another "break" and maybe an additional one. If a kid with a "break", craps the bed, then you don't get that break again for awhile. If all the rest of your "breaks" do well, you redevelop the trust of Admissions.

I don't know what it is like with hockey, but I'm pretty sure a "break" for a football or basketball player is still well above the NCAA minimum standards. And that "break" had better be able to handle UNH academics independently because there isn't a support system like a BCS school can afford to put in place.
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

From what I've heard over the years (with other sports), this is entirely possible. You get a "break" from Admissions and the kid does well, you earn another "break" and maybe an additional one. If a kid with a "break", craps the bed, then you don't get that break again for awhile. If all the rest of your "breaks" do well, you redevelop the trust of Admissions.

I don't know what it is like with hockey, but I'm pretty sure a "break" for a football or basketball player is still well above the NCAA minimum standards. And that "break" had better be able to handle UNH academics independently because there isn't a support system like a BCS school can afford to put in place.

UNH has always been tough on out of state students. My father is also a UNH grad (class of something late 60's). He had to do a post graduate year at Berwick to get into UNH which is where he really wanted to go. Out of Danvers high school he got into BU and Umass amongst others but not UNH.
 
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His [Joey Laleggia] 'arrival' date is updated on Chissenberg's site for '11. Although his coach wanted him to stick around, he did indicate in an earlier interview that he was well suited for the college game. You just never know.. it does concern me just a little, because they also said TVR was being brought in to eventually run the PP.. of which Leleggia is doing a fine job of at least being on the that unit. It's likely the Coaches knew at the beginning if he'd be sticking around for another spin in the BCHL. Is he Draft eligible, I wonder? Downing too?
From a March 31st article in the Penticton Herald:
"[Vees' Coach and General Manager] Harbinson said forwards Garrett Milan and Alex Szczechura (both St. Cloud State), Beau Bennett (Denver) and Ben Sexton (Clarkson), and defencemen Joey LaLeggia (New Hampshire) and Isaac MacLeod (Boston College) may or may not return to Penticton pending discussions with their respective universities. "
http://www.pentictonherald.ca/stories_local_sports.php?id=254023

Joey Laleggia's prospects in the upcoming 2010 NHL Entry Draft (June 25-26) are also yet to be determined. His birthdate is June 24, 1992 so he meets the age requirement of turning 18 by September 15th. Although he was on the NHL Central Scouting "Players to Watch" list in October, 2009 (rated as a "C" prospect which means he has the potential to be a late round selection in the NHL draft) and participated in the Canadian Junior Hockey League's Prospects Event in December, 2009 (a game designed to showcase the top 40 NHL draft eligible players in the Canadian Junior Hockey League), Laleggia did not appear on the NHL Central Scouting's Final Rankings list released on April 7th. That is, Central Scouting did not consider him to be one of the top 210 NHL propects among North American skaters.
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

Joey Laleggia's prospects in the upcoming 2010 NHL Entry Draft (June 25-26) are also yet to be determined. His birthdate is June 24, 1992 so he meets the age requirement of turning 18 by September 15th. Although he was on the NHL Central Scouting "Players to Watch" list in October, 2009 (rated as a "C" prospect which means he has the potential to be a late round selection in the NHL draft) and participated in the Canadian Junior Hockey League's Prospects Event in December, 2009 (a game designed to showcase the top 40 NHL draft eligible players in the Canadian Junior Hockey League), Laleggia did not appear on the NHL Central Scouting's Final Rankings list released on April 7th. That is, Central Scouting did not consider him to be one of the top 210 NHL propects among North American skaters.

That he fell off the NHL radar doesn't surprise me. He is listed as 5'9" 170 which is really small for a NHL D-man.
 
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

I have heard that Bob Norton had both Eruzione and Silk coming to UNH but couldn't get them past admissions. BU picked them up after they were denied from UNH.

There are however two versions from there, one that says Cox and Lumley (?)would have still been coming to UNH and one that says they only came because those two didn't get in so UNH went after them.

Here is a good one for you...

Mike Eruzione was in fact committed to Merrimack and had sent his deposit in. A friend picked him up in Winthrop and said that they needed a body for a summer league throw away game at Tully. Mike said ok, and went and played. Had a nice game and fun. After it was over the ref walked over and said, Mike, where are you going next year? Mike said Merrimack. The ref said, we just had a kid leave school and have a spot, any interest? Mike said, for sure.

The ref was Jack Parker....

Mikes dad still asks to this day why Merrimack has not sent the deposit back
 
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Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking being done by the Pentiction coach/gm. He named his top 4 (college committed) scorers from this season's team which finished 48-8. There is zero chance that either Bennett (the league's leading scorer) or Szczechura (a '90) will return to that league. They have nothing left to do or prove. I also don't understand why Laleggia would stay another year, but it appears that will be the case.
 
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Watcher/HokyDad...

Was UNH ever in on recent Minnesota decommit Ryan Walters? He'd sure make a nice late addition/Reid replacement to a team in need of some offense next year...??

Mentioned in the BU thread that he had 35 DI offers at one point - was UNH one of those offers?

Is he a lock to stay in the WCHA??

http://www.bucshockey.com/leagues/r...&leagueID=12551&teamID=225322&playerID=557140

I would guess that a guy like Walters would only leave Minnesota for Major Juniors. If he stays in the NCAA, he probably has a bunch of offers from much better schools than UNH. He appears to be a prototypical BU or BC-type player. .
 
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