UNH 2024/2025 Goldberg Edition

[TheGrouchyCat]

The average worker has close to no responsibility. Naturally there's some or the job wouldn't exist but very little. Souza is running a major D1 hockey program and getting paid a bottom end salary to do so. A school of thought, the smart school, says UNH is getting precisely what it's paying for. The lowest paid coach in HE. The lowest budget in HE. Bottom tier facilities in HE. One of the poorest performing programs in HE. Any person outside of NH can see the issue. NH residents, well, let's just say they tend to justify being cheap and, well, lets say unexplored by pointing fingers and not taking personal responsibility.

Hey, by all means, fire Souza. I'm ok with that but expecting dramatic change is a bit silly.

He isn't the lowest paid coach in Hockey East.

An astute businessman such as yourself obviously now that negotiation is the name of the game. You get paid what you or you attorney negotiate. If the pay was such an issue for MS7, he could have walked away and not signed.

But, he did sign. He had zero leverage and took a three year guarantee at a salary which was acceptable to him.

No company (or university) is going to pay on the higher end of the range when a candidate is willing to accept an offer on the bottom end.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Buford, the reason I am slapping you and Elwood a/k/a JB around is you two are pretentious phonies and have it coming. You two have treated Souza like garbage. Zero class. I also know you don't know your stuff. I'm just doing the same to you and I have drawn blood. Good for me. Your subpeona comment has everyone on this board laughing.

Two flatearther Maga flunkies like you and Elwood deserve a slap every now and then. Good, perhaps your posting will be more empathetic to the players and coaches. FYI, what irritated me the most was the people on here that begrudged Souza for earning a relatively ordinary paycheck. I never heard of the man lying, cheating or abusing anyone. He works and takes care of his family.

He's, albeit from my removed perspective, a gentleman. He even met with Norbert last year, which must have been embarrassing for Souza. I only met Souza once (very briefly) but I know a few people that speak very highy of him.

Oh, and your notion that I am a guy named "Mike" or that I am connected to the UNH program is just an example of your relentless stupidity.

Tedious, ignorant AND delusional is no way to go through life, Potty. And "pretentious phony" is next level irony, you gasbag.

Can you get together with Sparky the UMaine poster, please? Between the two of you, your bipolar takes are (1) I think Souza is great and was thrilled he got his extension last year, and (2) I treat Souza "like garbage". He's seemingly stopped the (1) lying, it would be nice if you did so too with your (2) lying.

I'm sure MS7 is a wonderful person to his family. I have fond memories of him as a player. He's proven to be a disaster in his decade behind the bench.

If you think my take that he is professionally lazy is mean ... go show me when he's gone above and beyond, other than his charm offensive last season, when his renewal was on the line? Where has the capital improvement project his sugar daddy TDL gone, since they posted his sign on The Whitt? I'll wait ...

 

[freak]

Another topic that came up in the past is UNH admissions. There was a period of time where several high end recruits couldn't get in but could at far more selective universities. In that time period admission became completely rigid on a couple of requirements. One in particular was 2 years of a foreign language where Canadian High Schools at the time only required 1 year to graduate. BC as an example would wave the 2 year requirement because of "other skills". I don't know where that situation stands today and that would be a reasonable complaint in my book from the head coach.

Admissions seems to have been an issue at least as early as 2005. I'd always thought it was more after the Charlebois situation. The other night I was watching an old player profile for Kacey Bellamy on Phil Kincade's YouTube.

In it, McCloskey says that Bellamy was not a guaranteed admission (05-06 freshman), and that he'd had to put his foot down and insist upon her.

Keith Yandle had been denied admission in '05 as well.

I think that Admissions felt burned by hockey, what with Stafford and Wright-Ward being academically ineligible in 2002-03 and 2004-05 respectively (I think there was one other ineligible on the women's team that year but not positive).

And famously it was alleged that Admissions refused to consider Gaudreau's late application.

 

[norbert]

The average worker has close to no responsibility. Naturally there's some or the job wouldn't exist but very little. Souza is running a major D1 hockey program and getting paid a bottom end salary to do so. A school of thought, the smart school, says UNH is getting precisely what it's paying for. The lowest paid coach in HE. The lowest budget in HE. Bottom tier facilities in HE. One of the poorest performing programs in HE. Any person outside of NH can see the issue. NH residents, well, let's just say they tend to justify being cheap and, well, lets say unexplored by pointing fingers and not taking personal responsibility.

Hey, by all means, fire Souza. I'm ok with that but expecting dramatic change is a bit silly.

Let's dissect this for the new moron on the group.

"Souza is running a major D1 hockey program and getting paid a bottom end salary to do so"
Why is his salary low, if I had to guess performance

"The lowest paid coach in HE"
10th place finish.... it kinds of fits

"Bottom tier facilities in HE."
Have you been to Northeastern? How about Merrimack

I know you will say you can't compare to Maine but for humor's sake, lets' try it.

2021- 7-22-4 $235,000 (4 year contract)
2022 - 15-16-5
2023 23-12-2
2024 24-8-6

Oh wow, in January of 2024, Ben Barr was given a contract extension for 2024 of $400K and on July 1st, 2024 $425K.

Now let's see, 7 wins to 15 wins to 23 wins to 24 wins. At some point between there he got a huge raise. Wonder why. would have nothing to do with performance....

Can't be fundraising cause coaches can't do that..

 

[Sparkee]

Tedious, ignorant AND delusional is no way to go through life, Potty. And "pretentious phony" is next level irony, you gasbag.

Can you get together with Sparky the UMaine poster, please? Between the two of you, your bipolar takes are (1) I think Souza is great and was thrilled he got his extension last year, and (2) I treat Souza "like garbage". He's seemingly stopped the (1) lying, it would be nice if you did so too with your (2) lying.

I'm sure MS7 is a wonderful person to his family. I have fond memories of him as a player. He's proven to be a disaster in his decade behind the bench.

If you think my take that he is professionally lazy is mean ... go show me when he's gone above and beyond, other than his charm offensive last season, when his renewal was on the line? Where has the capital improvement project his sugar daddy TDL gone, since they posted his sign on The Whitt? I'll wait ...

Brought me in without reason. You really are an imbecile.

I actually agree Souza is lazy and not very good as head coach. I’m only in favor of him getting extended as that helps Maine.

You said, at the end of last season, you would go along with him getting extended. So you have to eat crow now.

 

[Jacob0804]

Buford, the reason I am slapping you and Elwood a/k/a JB around is you two are pretentious phonies and have it coming. You two have treated Souza like garbage. Zero class. I also know you don't know your stuff. I'm just doing the same to you and I have drawn blood. Good for me. Your subpeona comment has everyone on this board laughing.

Two flatearther Maga flunkies like you and Elwood deserve a slap every now and then. Good, perhaps your posting will be more empathetic to the players and coaches. FYI, what irritated me the most was the people on here that begrudged Souza for earning a relatively ordinary paycheck. I never heard of the man lying, cheating or abusing anyone. He works and takes care of his family.

He's, albeit from my removed perspective, a gentleman. He even met with Norbert last year, which must have been embarrassing for Souza. I only met Souza once (very briefly) but I know a few people that speak very highy of him.

Oh, and your notion that I am a guy named "Mike" or that I am connected to the UNH program is just an example of your relentless stupidity.

You can be a great guy and a mediocre coach. **

**Tim Whitehead enters room.

 

[NCAA watcher]

Took Comny two years to figure out the facilities were deficient?

 

[bakchk20]

Took Comny two years to figure out the facilities were deficient?

Yup. That's a shame... And another fail. What's the destination? My money is on UConn...
Get busy, Mike, no vaca for you, pal. Canada in April is great!!

 

[deltabravo62]

Took Comny two years to figure out the facilities were deficient?

At least everyone bagging on him got their wish.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Admissions seems to have been an issue at least as early as 2005. I'd always thought it was more after the Charlebois situation. The other night I was watching an old player profile for Kacey Bellamy on Phil Kincade's YouTube.

In it, McCloskey says that Bellamy was not a guaranteed admission (05-06 freshman), and that he'd had to put his foot down and insist upon her.

Keith Yandle had been denied admission in '05 as well.

I think that Admissions felt burned by hockey, what with Stafford and Wright-Ward being academically ineligible in 2002-03 and 2004-05 respectively (I think there was one other ineligible on the women's team that year but not positive).

And famously it was alleged that Admissions refused to consider Gaudreau's late application.

I had long term doubts about the highlighted issue until about a week ago. I now have absolutely no doubt this actually happened.

 

[Potluck]

Admissions seems to have been an issue at least as early as 2005. I'd always thought it was more after the Charlebois situation. The other night I was watching an old player profile for Kacey Bellamy on Phil Kincade's YouTube.

In it, McCloskey says that Bellamy was not a guaranteed admission (05-06 freshman), and that he'd had to put his foot down and insist upon her.

Keith Yandle had been denied admission in '05 as well.

I think that Admissions felt burned by hockey, what with Stafford and Wright-Ward being academically ineligible in 2002-03 and 2004-05 respectively (I think there was one other ineligible on the women's team that year but not positive).

And famously it was alleged that Admissions refused to consider Gaudreau's late application.

Good god, Gaudreau never wanted to apply to UNH. Just stop it already. The guy is dead.

BTW, Buford a/k/a Chuck is a dummy with ZERO sources. He's just a hilbilly blowhard that lives in the section of NH that nobody wants to ever visit. Buford treats Durham like it's Manhattan.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Brought me in without reason. You really are an imbecile.

I actually agree Souza is lazy and not very good as head coach. I’m only in favor of him getting extended as that helps Maine.

You said, at the end of last season, you would go along with him getting extended. So you have to eat crow now.

So I take it back, and here I was, giving you the benefit of the doubt for backing off a bald-faced lie.

Anatomy of a Sparky lie exaggeration...

(1) Make it a BIG lie, for effect, as if folks on this board don't read/retain info on prior postings, especially hot topics. "Chuck was thrilled".
(2) Get called out for the outright lie, fail to apologize for the inaccuracy (at best), then sputter and go silent;
(3) Come back a month later, and dial back the lie to an exaggeration, something you can defend easier. "Chuck would go along with it".
(4) ... and once again, I'll point out the dialed-back fib or exaggeration (being nicer than you deserve, putz)

"Going along with him getting extended" is still a strange description for someone (me) who was admittedly probably more patient than most on here. To be fair to both guys, 'Watcher and Dan led the line off the Souza bandwagon years ago, to their everlasting credit. But by two-plus seasons ago, I was counting the months before his deal was up, and especially when Hoops coach Bill Herrion got sacked by the new AD, I thought it was a harbinger of doom for Souza.

And despite posting his first winning season ('23/'24) since coming to UNH in what was an uncharacteristically busy year for Souza, I vividly recall setting up a sliding scale on what his contract outcome should be, when he was on the precipice of the HEA tourney. By that point, I think I held a consensus opinion that hoping for a non-renewal was not gonna happen, so the baseline on my sliding scale was an early elimination (which UMaine decisively provided) should net Souza nothing more than a one-season, "show me" renewal. When word got out that he'd been rewarded a 3 year deal, I was dismayed, like most on here, to the point where I was hoping the reported 3 year deal was actually a series of three one-year deals. That he'd gotten no raise, yet still signed, made it clear he wasn't bargaining from a position of strength.

So even your take today - "going along" with the extension (as if I even had a say ) - is at worst another lie from you, and at best a gross exaggeration.

But since I am a forgiving kinda guy, who likes to mix it "on the level" with posters for other teams, I'll look at your revised position (exaggerated as it still is) as making some progress with your truth-telling. And unlike Potty, you're not a M@$$hoIe, and I get the impression you know some puck. So there's still hope!!

Consider yourself on a one year "show me" extension, like MS7 should've been on (expiring shortly), and if you cut out the we can make this all fun.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Good god, Gaudreau never wanted to apply to UNH. Just stop it already. The guy is dead.

I have it from an unimpeachable source, and one regular on here knows who that is. Your sourcing is ... ???

 

[Jellsville USA]

• UNH F Ryan Conmy (LAK 6th) to the portal

 

[Potluck]

I have it from an unimpeachable source, and one regular on here knows who that is. Your sourcing is ... ???

Buford, you're a delusional inbred man that suffers from grandiosity. You have no sources. You're dumb. You always claim to have anonymous sources about stuff. It's nonsense. You live in the woods. Informed people don't share information with knuckleheads like you.

I truly am getting a bit weary of pummeling you but you are a complete Tool. Just a guy with a weird bowl haircut posting rubbish from the backwoods of NH.

It's so classless to post stuff about Johnny Gaudreau not getting into UNH.

 

[freak]

 

[Sparkee]

So I take it back, and here I was, giving you the benefit of the doubt for backing off a bald-faced lie.

Anatomy of a Sparky lie exaggeration...

(1) Make it a BIG lie, for effect, as if folks on this board don't read/retain info on prior postings, especially hot topics. "Chuck was thrilled".
(2) Get called out for the outright lie, fail to apologize for the inaccuracy (at best), then sputter and go silent;
(3) Come back a month later, and dial back the lie to an exaggeration, something you can defend easier. "Chuck would go along with it".
(4) ... and once again, I'll point out the dialed-back fib or exaggeration (being nicer than you deserve, putz)

"Going along with him getting extended" is still a strange description for someone (me) who was admittedly probably more patient than most on here. To be fair to both guys, 'Watcher and Dan led the line off the Souza bandwagon years ago, to their everlasting credit. But by two-plus seasons ago, I was counting the months before his deal was up, and especially when Hoops coach Bill Herrion got sacked by the new AD, I thought it was a harbinger of doom for Souza.

And despite posting his first winning season ('23/'24) since coming to UNH in what was an uncharacteristically busy year for Souza, I vividly recall setting up a sliding scale on what his contract outcome should be, when he was on the precipice of the HEA tourney. By that point, I think I held a consensus opinion that hoping for a non-renewal was not gonna happen, so the baseline on my sliding scale was an early elimination (which UMaine decisively provided) should net Souza nothing more than a one-season, "show me" renewal. When word got out that he'd been rewarded a 3 year deal, I was dismayed, like most on here, to the point where I was hoping the reported 3 year deal was actually a series of three one-year deals. That he'd gotten no raise, yet still signed, made it clear he wasn't bargaining from a position of strength.

So even your take today - "going along" with the extension (as if I even had a say ) - is at worst another lie from you, and at best a gross exaggeration.

But since I am a forgiving kinda guy, who likes to mix it "on the level" with posters for other teams, I'll look at your revised position (exaggerated as it still is) as making some progress with your truth-telling. And unlike Potty, you're not a M@$$hoIe, and I get the impression you know some puck. So there's still hope!!

Consider yourself on a one year "show me" extension, like MS7 should've been on (expiring shortly), and if you cut out the we can make this all fun.

No truce.

You say “I think I held a consensus opinion” as if to try to establish some gray area to back away from the fact you were fine with extending Souza(at the time). You also now claim there was this sliding scale of what your opinion on the matter is. Another attempt at stretching the truths towards what is convenient given hindsight is 20/20. Let’s just slide my stance a little and claim I was not in favor of extending Souza. You were so vocal and giddy when UNH swept Maine at the Whitt you were a believer. Only for reality to come crashing back down this season, which didn’t happen until the league schedule came calling. Until then you were in favor of how things were with Souza.

How embarrassing for you to have sunken to the “I think I was this way” and “I had a sliding scale”.

You really are a slippery weasel like Bobby Heenan.

 

[JB]

Johnny Gaudreau applied to UNH, well at a minimum tired hard to apply. FULL STOP.

Admissions refused to even look at the application. FULL STOP

Would Johnny Gaudreau have ultimately gone to UNH, the world will never know (rest in piece, sad for his family). I have been told two stories and I never bothered to dig into which one, although I kinda believe story 2 seems more plausible:

1) Gaudreau was going to UNH and only applied to BC after UNH wouldn't look at his application
2) Gaudreau was late applying to a few colleges, and UNH helped make it simpler by admissions being dicks

Story #1 is a recruiting coup like taking Colin Hemingway from North Dakota. Yes, Hemingway was all but letter of intent getting signed going to North Dakota and McCloskey got him to Durham. The difference here is Gaudreau > Hemingway but not already fully lined up with BC, or anybody else. Story #2 is Gaudreau was probably never going to Durham anyway and at the same time Admissions doesn't need to be a bag of dicks (hockey player or not).

 

[JB]

You also now claim there was this sliding scale of what your opinion on the matter is.

Dude, it was one of his 4 page long posts. There absolutely was some sliding scale from 1 year (cause we are stuck with him now) to essentially forever if Souza somehow won a national championship.

 

[Sparkee]

I have it from an unimpeachable source, and one regular on here knows who that is. Your sourcing is ... ???

Why is it you ask people for their sources after you won’t give up your sources when asked?

Add “hypocrite” to the description of this slippery Bobby Heenan(only with brown hair).