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UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter :D

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Just a few pesky nits to pick ...

Not sure if those are "flare ups." Even the official numbers out of Florida, which are suspect, show an out of control virus, hence Trump and DeSantis' drop in ratings.

I disagree about you calling it "rooting." The knowledgeable people were trying to head it off by yelling at Kemp and DeSantis about their errors. Pointing out how disasterous their decisions were is not rooting for carnage.

I remember, back in the bad ol' days of the USCHO Boards, when the Chestnut Hillbillies would often run amok with some fantastical narratives, which when left unchecked would take on a life of their own. And hence it is with the current narrative of "Florida, Texas and Georgia should have done what well-managed (*guffaw*) states like New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts did, now they're getting theirs for not listening". Yet, once again, the up-to-date hard numbers tell a FAR different tale.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...hs-us-by-state

Not too long ago, I was pointing out that FL-TX-GA had slightly less total cases combined than Massachusetts alone, with 9-10 times more residents in those combined larger states. And while that's no longer true, all three (3) of those bigger states still have less individually than does itty bitty Dark Blue RINO managed MA. And while combined they now have twice the total deaths of MA, it still indicates you are about four (4) to five (5) times as likely to die with COVID in MA than in those other 3 larger states combined.

This says nothing about New York and New Jersey, whose numbers still rank them as the worst COVID managed states.

So if you're selling DeSantis or Kemp being "disasterous", I'm not buying. And the data is decidedly (still) on my side.

That's good news for everyone, right?

Anyway …

And yes, I did swipe at you for the November 3rd thing, because it makes no sense in any reality (I even left stand your "Antifa" reference. As an aside, my brother in law in RI is a foxer, and expressed concern about his sister in Portland and the riots, even as she has laughed with us about the peaceful protests.)

You can absolutely positively take a swipe at me in good faith and good nature. I stand behind my point. In an election year, it's all about politics. Vaccines, riots, "science", things contrary to the MSM/liberal narrative disappearing from the Internet, etc. If the guy hiding in his basement wins on November 3rd, the "return to normalcy" narrative will magically spring out of the depths of darkness, slowly but steadily, as the country approaches the inauguration. And if the 77% of conservatives (all way more motivated than their opponents, even based on MSM polls) who have been keeping their powder dry come out in force like I expect them to … well, then it's probably going to be another 4 year temper tantrum by the MSM, more silly made-up narratives, and maybe the Dems find their way back to the middle, and crawl back from their socialist-to-communist perch?

Dare to dream, eh?

As far as Portland goes, it's a fairly big city, no doubt. Never been there, and have no desire to visit. You could have nightly riots at the Moakley Courthouse/Seaport District in Boston for two straight months, and there's a very good chance no one living on Beacon Hill would be any the wiser for it. But it doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm not sure from your wording if you guys are laughing about how the riots have been dubbed "peaceful protests" OR at supposedly peaceful protests being dubbed "riots"?

Try baskeball and baseball. More enjoyable. Pro hockey has gotten way too random for me. Give me a college game where a player can make plays rather than just be in a pinball where they touch the puck for maybe 3 seconds. If I wanted to see a pinball machine, I'd go down to the arcade.

It's funny, but that's a very good description of what the NHL does look like these days to me, too.

We gotta get goalies up off their knees, that's still my crusade - more athletes, less space-fillers.
 
Just a few pesky nits to pick ...



I remember, back in the bad ol' days of the USCHO Boards, when the Chestnut Hillbillies would often run amok with some fantastical narratives, which when left unchecked would take on a life of their own.


That Eddie Caron was an overrated bust who regularly appeared on milk-cartons? That Tony Hutchins was better than his brother Mike? That Krys Kolanos was better than his brother Mark?

As to the rest, let's agree to disagree, rather than use up more ink, or bandwidth on this crappy new interface.

This, for nostalgia, is how a simple message board should look

http://web.archive.org/web/200103311...=60&LastLogin=


http://web.archive.org/web/200312141...ML/008643.html
 
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My confusion was to Whaler's non-sequitur about shark deaths, which didn't really address the risk.

Watcher, the shark reference was not a non-sequitor, just a comparison figure to hopefully open some eyes to the fear mongering on getting kids back to school. If the death risk to this age group in New England is Corona = 1 and total Deaths by White Shark in New England = 1, then I believe our fear priorities are clearly in the wrong places. If we fear kids going back to classrooms will spread the virus like cooties and they will start dropping like flies, this is just not supported by the "science". If the next fear is that these kids will then spread it along to Grandma, last I checked schools don’t share space with nursing homes. We will have to tell Grandma that visits will need to be curtailed for a few months while these kids get something potentially useful to their future called an education. I am sure 99% of the grandmothers who aren't narcissists will understand.

I see plenty of kids, parents, and yes, even grandparents, happily frolicking TOGETHER at the beaches of New England while a deadly menace supposedly lurks everywhere. Perfect Example - My teenage daughter, who works in retail with all it's corona exposure to people from parts unknown, recently took my 80 year Mom (with underlying conditions) to an ocean beach. Neither wore a mask and happily spent the day around a sea of humanity of all ages, most without a mask. Both said it was a GREAT day (no mention of corona virus, pandemics), so I asked how the boogie boarding was. Daughter's response - "oh we didn’t go in the water, a Sharktivity alert came up about a white shark in the area."

HEY!! Chief Brody!!! You better close the beaches or risk getting slapped in the face again.
 
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That Eddie Caron was an overrated bust who regularly appeared on milk-cartons? That Tony Hutchins was better than his brother Mike? That Krys Kolanos was better than his brother Mark?

Oh, there's no doubt the Chestnut Hillbillies had their moments, and Caron (and Travis Banga from around the same time) were two painful recruiting fails during that era, which the CHB's exploited wonderfully.

But they had their "blue chippas" who pooped the bed early and often as well (anyone remember "future B's starting goalie Matti Kaltiainen" - oops, not quite - or Adam Pineault, who made Eddie Caron look like Kevin Stevens? Anyone??). I think it all came to a head (retrospectively) with the Joe Exter incident at Conte in the playoffs circa 2003, when the forum was figuratively on fire for a couple of weeks. I had some fantastic contacts back then, and got some very reliable insight on some behind the scenes stuff that I was able to share some bits and pieces without betraying confidences, which did not reflect well on the CHB's guys. So they crafted some factually-deficient defenses in response, which gradually came to light. I remember dialing things back a little bit after (suspect they did as well - I knew most of those guys for real at one point, and all in all, we got along in person) - even if readers who've been on here long enough are probably shrewd enough to recognize some things from L'Affaire Exter that still stick in my craw even now. They did get the last laugh TBF when 5 years later, BC embarked on their dominant run of 3 NC's in 5 seasons. Good times, I miss it.

As to the rest, let's agree to disagree, rather than use up more ink, or bandwidth on this crappy new interface.

Agreed on the quality (or lack thereof) of the new interface, especially when you followed up with ...


Wow, those took me back. Even some of the posters named in the screenshots, haven't seen for awhile.

Perfect examples to expose how "newer" definitely does not mean "better", sadly.
 
Glad to hear you are out at the beaches and staying safe. Just wear a mask for others, as your not taking any casualties is largely a benefit of others doing their jobs. It's the single most significant risk-reducer we know of. (Though, I must confess, when we're outdoors and only briefly encounter others, I'm more lax.) But indoors, just wear one and that will help get things back to normal more quickly.

UNH is missing a good opportunity to sell cut outs of the fans for the Whit, like they have at the baseball games. I'd say each season ticket holder could get one for an additional $10 charge. As for the games, I'll be interested to hear how the junior hockey games nd camps are working in preventing any infections. I believe the transmission rate for outdoor sports is very low, but if you're on the bench next to a guy wheezing, it is probably a lot larger. For the NHL they can do multiple tests, but testing may not be so easy for a University and a lower revenue sport.

Of course, the larger item that would upset the games is the university getting a significant outbreak. It's bound to happen once students are back, particularly in urban schools like BU and Northeastern, so what's the tolerance for cases at the Universities themselves. One of our kids will be remote in the fall, and the other will be in person starting August 17th, with a plan. Let's see how that plan develops.

HR, thanks for being on the real front lines with the kids. While the incidents in your area of NH are clearly in your favor, the insidious thing about this is it can be passed even by young people who are asymptomatic, so you can never know. Stay safe as best you can by providing a good example to kids about safety, caring for others by doing a small step, and listening to better educated people instead of just doing what feels good. It may be easier to convince a child to act grown up, rather than some other examples who may encourage them to do just to make a selfish point.

In a best case scenario, one of the five vaccines in phase 3 will be effective and can be distributed by early next year. So far so good in terms of phase 1 safety to the users, and also Phase 2 generating the immune response required by the body to fight off the real thing. It also sounds like the "challenge" tests on the monkeys that actually expose them to Covid has been successful, though I am told that this is only a slight indicators of the results in humans. So, phase 3 of giving the vaccine to users near hot spots will see if they have lower or no infection rates. Even if the success rate is less than 100%, the impact on reducing the virus' spread will be significant.

Probably not by Nov. 4th, as Whaler predicts, but in early 2021, the virus will hopefully begin to disappear. Not through magical thinking, but through science.

If we can get some hockey in, so much the better. But the 2021 season will be fun, both because things may be back to normal, but because UNH's class of 2021 is pretty strong.

Thanks 'Watcher; I have my face shield and mask ready. Our school is going full in plus remote if parents want it. Was so hoping for a hybrid model at the High School at least. My classroom is not big enough to practice even 3 feet of SD if they keep the normal class size of 22 students (plus any paraprofessionals). I know this falls on death ears but, we don't know fully what's going to really happen when we bring in students en masse since we LEFT when it all started to go down. I am grateful our numbers are very low, but summer being summer and with events like 'motorcycle' week going down right before school (and many of our students work the hospitality field) I am wary to say the least. Year 41...thinking it's time to hang it up, do something else...we'll see....Be well!
 
Oh, there's no doubt the Chestnut Hillbillies had their moments, and Caron (and Travis Banga from around the same time) were two painful recruiting fails during that era, which the CHB's exploited wonderfully.

But they had their "blue chippas" who pooped the bed early and often as well (anyone remember "future B's starting goalie Matti Kaltiainen" - oops, not quite - or Adam Pineault, who made Eddie Caron look like Kevin Stevens? Anyone??). I think it all came to a head (retrospectively) with the Joe Exter incident at Conte in the playoffs circa 2003, when the forum was figuratively on fire for a couple of weeks. I had some fantastic contacts back then, and got some very reliable insight on some behind the scenes stuff that I was able to share some bits and pieces without betraying confidences, which did not reflect well on the CHB's guys. So they crafted some factually-deficient defenses in response, which gradually came to light. I remember dialing things back a little bit after (suspect they did as well - I knew most of those guys for real at one point, and all in all, we got along in person) - even if readers who've been on here long enough are probably shrewd enough to recognize some things from L'Affaire Exter that still stick in my craw even now. They did get the last laugh TBF when 5 years later, BC embarked on their dominant run of 3 NC's in 5 seasons. Good times, I miss it.



Agreed on the quality (or lack thereof) of the new interface, especially when you followed up with ...



Wow, those took me back. Even some of the posters named in the screenshots, haven't seen for awhile.

Perfect examples to expose how "newer" definitely does not mean "better", sadly.

Chuck, I sure hope you haven't forgotten that Joe Exter, because of his ultra-competitiveness, absolutely intentionally slammed his head into Patrick Eaves knee. Chris!!!! would be soooooo upset should you think otherwise. Those were the days of total board anarchy werent they? :D
 
Holy crap - that's one heck of an ear infection, 'Ref!?!?! j/k

Welcome back.

Oh my....well, I guess you know what I have on my mind!! ha! Funny just watched Monty Python's Holy Grail (I'm not dead yet!) just so much school talk my head is spinning more than usual!
 
Chuck, I sure hope you haven't forgotten that Joe Exter, because of his ultra-competitiveness, absolutely intentionally slammed his head into Patrick Eaves knee. Chris!!!! would be soooooo upset should you think otherwise. Those were the days of total board anarchy werent they? :D

I vividly remember getting out of The Whitt that evening after a UNH playoff game (couldn't tell you against whom, or even the outcome, although a W was likely, as it would have been on UNH's way to their HE Tourney repeat title), turning on the radio to catch Dick & Pete's post-game show, and even by then, word had gotten to them about the catastrophic injury to Exter, so (due to the delays from the injury) I found that game elsewhere on the car radio dial for the final few minutes.

By the time I got back to the WIS Estate (less than a half hour out of the lot), I'd already started getting calls, and then the e-mails followed, and of course the Board was gonna be post-season busy anyway, but with the Exter situation, it was crazy off the hook, as you'll probably recall. Raw and real emotion. The late Chris Serino (Umile's former UNH capo) was head coach for Merrimack at the time, so they were kind of a "second team" for many UNH fans (myself included), so while UNH didn't have any "skin in the game" (so to speak), so to me it felt like the neighborhood bully punched your kid brother.

And it was BC, of course, in a world where UNH had an argument that the post-Walsh future of HE was going to be between UNH and BC. A month later, it would be UNH in the FF Finals, capping off a two year burst in which UNH won their only two HE Tourneys, and made it to back-to-back Frozen Fours - while BC was two years out from their first modern NC, and hadn't made it back to the FF since. It was a very different competitive landscape back then.

The USCHO Boards were a real blast back then, acs64. Shudder to think how today's snow-flakery would handle that stuff. Kinda like playing a DVD of the old "Dean Martin Roasts (fill in the blank)" to your local school committee board these days, eh? Lots and lots of melting involved.

Not to mention, there were like 3-4 different "smileys" and they all worked perfectly!

Thanks for prompting the trip down USCHO Memory Lane, acs64.
 
Old ESPN story on the Joe Exter incident, footage of the actual event, and some sobering observations from Coach Serino, Exter's parents, and Joe Exter himself.
 
I vividly remember getting out of The Whitt that evening after a UNH playoff game (couldn't tell you against whom, or even the outcome, although a W was likely, as it would have been on UNH's way to their HE Tourney repeat title), turning on the radio to catch Dick & Pete's post-game show, and even by then, word had gotten to them about the catastrophic injury to Exter, so (due to the delays from the injury) I found that game elsewhere on the car radio dial for the final few minutes.

By the time I got back to the WIS Estate (less than a half hour out of the lot), I'd already started getting calls, and then the e-mails followed, and of course the Board was gonna be post-season busy anyway, but with the Exter situation, it was crazy off the hook, as you'll probably recall. Raw and real emotion. The late Chris Serino (Umile's former UNH capo) was head coach for Merrimack at the time, so they were kind of a "second team" for many UNH fans (myself included), so while UNH didn't have any "skin in the game" (so to speak), so to me it felt like the neighborhood bully punched your kid brother.

And it was BC, of course, in a world where UNH had an argument that the post-Walsh future of HE was going to be between UNH and BC. A month later, it would be UNH in the FF Finals, capping off a two year burst in which UNH won their only two HE Tourneys, and made it to back-to-back Frozen Fours - while BC was two years out from their first modern NC, and hadn't made it back to the FF since. It was a very different competitive landscape back then.

The USCHO Boards were a real blast back then, acs64. Shudder to think how today's snow-flakery would handle that stuff. Kinda like playing a DVD of the old "Dean Martin Roasts (fill in the blank)" to your local school committee board these days, eh? Lots and lots of melting involved.

Not to mention, there were like 3-4 different "smileys" and they all worked perfectly!

Thanks for prompting the trip down USCHO Memory Lane, acs64.

Yep, those were the good ole days . I remember most of that stuff but I dont recall UHN ever playing for anything meaningful :D (that used to be a big grin smiley, who the hell knows what comes up with it now. Winky winky
 
UNH South ('Canes) begin first SC round against Bruins in Toronto bubble tonight. I think that UNH South extracts their revenge this year.
 
UNH South ('Canes) begin first SC round against Bruins in Toronto bubble tonight. I think that UNH South extracts their revenge this year.

"Revenge" as in winning a game or two, or "revenge" as in winning the series outright?

Just because it's indeed "UNH South", I'll be pulling for the 'Canes too. It's just a difficult setting to make predictions, given the "hole" in the season. It's my sense that, more than ever before, the teams that will enjoy postseason success this year will be teams who are focused on the games, pulling together in the same direction, and not distracted by things happening outside the bubble. This used to be a given in the past, as buy-in for the playoffs shouldn't be a hard thing for experienced players who measure their success by hardware and jewelry. This year, who knows who might be distracted? It's crazy.

But Pittsburgh has already bowed out, while the annual frauds in Toronto have (not surprisingly) joined them, proving it's not a "Babcock thing" (BTW amazing he's bedding down as a volunteer assistant at UVM - why not at UNH?). I suspect the Flyers will be the next ones to be exposed, and Tampa Bay can at least point to Hedman and Stamkos for their typical excuses.

I think Washington comes out of the East, and I wouldn't be surprised if St. Louis returns to the SCF. I'll make Chicago my dark horse contender from the West, and Columbus in the East.

If the B's can get past the 'Canes, and Washington gets knocked out, it starts to look very similar to the path the B's had last season. And if that does happen, I don't expect they'll come up short this time around. But I'm picking the Caps to ride it out and beat the Blues in the SCF.

Everyone else might as well join in, this being our only hockey content for the time being ...
 
UNH South - B's game 1 underway after 15 hour delay. I think that UNH South takes this series.

First set of games didn't reflect all that well on my selections. But after being somewhat ambivalent about the pre-playoffs portion of the resumed NHL season (as voiced with 'Watcher), I'm starting to come around a little bit on all of this. The kid playing goalie (Korpusalo?) in Columbus, though, has been sensational so far. You can almost see why they let Bobrovsky sign elsewhere. Saw this interesting piece in the Tampa Bay Times, they've certainly got the Bolts' full attention (again):

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/ligh...ith-so-little/

In other news ... you folks may disagree, but I'm rooting (maybe for the first time ever) for Jerry Jones to get something right ...

https://nypost.com/2020/08/12/jerry-...e-this-season/
 
First set of games didn't reflect all that well on my selections. But after being somewhat ambivalent about the pre-playoffs portion of the resumed NHL season (as voiced with 'Watcher), I'm starting to come around a little bit on all of this. The kid playing goalie (Korpusalo?) in Columbus, though, has been sensational so far. You can almost see why they let Bobrovsky sign elsewhere. Saw this interesting piece in the Tampa Bay Times, they've certainly got the Bolts' full attention (again):

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/ligh...ith-so-little/

In other news ... you folks may disagree, but I'm rooting (maybe for the first time ever) for Jerry Jones to get something right ...

https://nypost.com/2020/08/12/jerry-...e-this-season/

You should fly to Dallas for all of the Cowboys' home games, Chuck!

I have been enjoying NHL games on TV in the bubbles, as those are the only hockey games that we are likely to see even remotely this season.

TvR taking some good shifts tonight.
 
You should fly to Dallas for all of the Cowboys' home games, Chuck!

I'd personally only be interested in one of 'em, Snives. The annual divisional trip for my Giants down to Big D, but things with the Giants in recent years have been trending towards their awful mid-'70's era of boring and rudderless football, so I'm less engaged with that to begin with. With the exception of Roger Staubach, and a small slice of sympathy for Tom Landry's early suffering in the shadows of Vince Lombardi when his teams were chronically known as "Next Year's Champions" - before they ascended to "America's Team" - I pretty much hate all things Dallas Cowboys. Kinda like I used to hate BC Eagles hockey - probably worse, as I've mellowed on BC in recent seasons. Not so with Dallas ...

I have been enjoying NHL games on TV in the bubbles, as those are the only hockey games that we are likely to see even remotely this season.

TvR taking some good shifts tonight.

I see "our" 'Canes bounced back with a nice win over the B's last night. I'm just not sold on their goalies (Reimer or Mrazek) and despite their blossoming talent elsewhere up and down their line-up, they're going to need to upgrade in goal to become a serious contender IMO. I was also reminded why I've never been a huge Rask admirer, as despite how well he covers the bottom half of the goal, he seems woefully below average at anything glove level. Carolina found the top corners on all three of their goals, and on at least two of them, Tuukka (sp?) could only wave at them on the way by. Not impressive.

I still see the B's eventually pounding Reimer into submission, but at least this time it won't be a sweep. And Korpusalo and CBJ evened things up against the Bolts. My Western dark horse entry (CBH) isn't looking good, now down 0-2 while St. Loo and Washington (my predicted Finalists) both have early tests tonight to avoid an 0-2 hole of their own ...
 
Pesce back on ice for first time since shoulder surgery over four months ago, replacing TvR, but 0 SOG for him and Foegele.

I was surirised to see 'Canes cough up 2-0 lead in third tonight to go down 3-1 in series, but I guess that is their history. Very entertaining hockey to me, even with the fake crowd noise. :-)
 
I was surpirised to see 'Canes cough up 2-0 lead in third tonight to go down 3-1 in series, but I guess that is their history. Very entertaining hockey to me, even with the fake crowd noise. :-)

Is it my imagination, or do the B's dump on James Reimer pretty much every year in the playoffs? I remember some epic fails for Reimer during his time in Toronto against the B's, and he seems to be reprising that same role again for Carolina. Must be nice for the B's to have him around in their division ...

Now for the B's and their gone-missing Hamlet of a goalie Tuukkaaa Raasskk (sp?) ... best thing to ever happen for the B's in this playoff season, possibly for the long run. Gone is their overrated goalie/albatross, who's never won THE big game in his career, it looked to me like the B's were fully confident with Halak in place, and the results since Tuukkaaa tookk off can't be viewed as a coincidence. With the Caps teetering on the brink of being "that team" this year that inexplicably loses in the first round sweep, the B's road back to the SCF is starting to open up again, kind of like last year. Tampa Bay can't have the B's quaking in their skates, given the history. It'll be interesting to see if the Islanders are for real (and I'll say Philly isn't).

Out West I see the Blues have battled back to tie up the Canucks, so I think they are starting to show their playoff mettle in wearing down finesse opponents. My dark horse pick Chicago just staved off elimination, but Vegas looks too solid, so then it's Colorado and one of Dallas/Calgary (I'll pick Calgary to overcome Blob Ben Bishop).

The West looks marginally tougher than the East to these eyes. St. Louis has already swapped out their goalies, and that's a tricky switch to turn back on, once you go there. It's getting interesting ...
 
Boston advances, Halak goes 3-0 after Tuukkaa tookka off ... Tampa Bay comes from behind and buries some ghosts from last season to advance against CBJ ... Colorado thumps Arizona to advance in the West, along with Vegas who finished off my dark horse candidates Chicago in 5 games ... the Caps dodged elimination against the Islanders. The Habs fighting for their playoff lives against Philly, and the Blues and Canucks await in their pivotal Game 5 meeting afterwards.

For UNH content, watching Philly and seeing a lot of erstwhile UNH decommit Joel Farabee in a prominent role ... and then it's dawned on me, "Where is JvR?" Turns out, he's been a healthy scratch as of late, and even when dressing, he's been spending most of his time on the Flyers' 4th line, and has yet to score a point since things started back up.

Philly should win this series, I'm still not a believer regardless, and they're playing against arguably the worst team to made it to the Round of 16, so a lot of things can happen from here on out. But given how things are playing out right now, the size of JvR's contract and his age, and Philly's young guys leapfrogging him on the playoffs depth chart ...

... is it time to start asking questions about JvR's future in Philly???
 
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