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UNH 2018-19: Souza The Opportunity

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A Makar shot heading wide banks in off the body of Richard Boyd who also picks up a penalty on the play. Looks like UNH will kill it...

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3-0 end of two. Apparently UNH outshot UMass 8-2 that period, though I would not have guessed that - so shots now even at 14.
 
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My dad comes from a long line of PGA pros; 4 of his brothers were in fact, he taught a young promising golfer named Mark McCumber how to play at his course in Jacksonville, Fla in the 60's!

I absolutely remember Mark McCumber! Of course, I have been playing for 50 years. I remember all the way back to the '62 Masters, won by Arnold Palmer. My college roommate was also a tour caddy who caddied for (among others) Al Geiberger, the original "Mr. 59." Shows you that I'm not young anymore...but you knew that! :)
 
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UMass and their near 40% PP connect for a 4-0 lead. They sure look like a playoff team to me. They are fast, deep and skilled.

In an alternate reality, UNH acts decisively three years ago, opting for a national search instead of a transition period and hires Greg Carvel...

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UNH gets one late. Sato scores on a pass across the goal mouth. A nice moment for a kid who skates and works super hard...

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UMass quickly scores again. A less nice moment. 5-1 is the final...
 
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IMHO, Robinson is the weak link right now. He should have had a clear vision on that fifth goal.

I honestly don't know what the San Jose Sharks see in this kid; mediocre goalie at best. I hope Taylor gets the nod next weekend.
 
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Unfortunately...my 96 year old dad passed on Wednesday...a great life the old golf pro had but time to play the game from a different plane. Sigh. As per those Minutemen...yes, we await the onslaught of the Minutemen and hope we can contain them on our great sheet...

My condolences to you and your family. :( :(
 
IMHO, Robinson is the weak link right now. He should have had a clear vision on that fifth goal.

I honestly don't know what the San Jose Sharks see in this kid; mediocre goalie at best. I hope Taylor gets the nod next weekend.

Well not sure I’d hang this totally on him (the last goal ok ) as I didn’t think we showed up defensively tonight. Have to give it to the Flagship they played a blistering pace (in fact the entire first period seemed like a horse race)and knew where each other was all night. Makar is such a fluid player quite gifted.

Offensively we couldn’t catch a pass and made a few poor decisions and didn’t generate too much in front of the net. Of course I’m spending most of the night keeping an eye on the Frosh esp Pierson and MacKinnon who I am most impressed with. Still looking for the playmaker. Onto UML and BU...
 
UNH fails to score on the 5x3 - or ensuing 5x4 - but Snively will be pleased to note they still use two men below the goal line. They generated one decent 5x3 chance but it took them all 30 seconds to do so. UMass PK (and PP) enter the game ranked first in HE...

I am not at all happy to hear that about our 5-3 PP, even if we did get a SOG out of it; that two behind the net PP simply looks so ludicrously stupid to me, and I am really glad that I did see it in person. Now I am dreading the Cats might be on a 5-3 PP against UML or BU next weekend. If so, I will close my eyes, as I cannot risk ever watching it again.
 
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Well not sure I’d hang this totally on him (the last goal ok ) as I didn’t think we showed up defensively tonight. Have to give it to the Flagship they played a blistering pace (in fact the entire first period seemed like a horse race)and knew where each other was all night. Makar is such a fluid player quite gifted.

Offensively we couldn’t catch a pass and made a few poor decisions and didn’t generate too much in front of the net. Of course I’m spending most of the night keeping an eye on the Frosh esp Pierson and MacKinnon who I am most impressed with. Still looking for the playmaker. Onto UML and BU...

Yeah I agree it was not 100% his fault. But if the players in front of you aren't clicking offensively or defensively, you, the goalie need to step it up. With a Tirone in net, this game would have been a lot closer. I guess this team will only be as good as their goaltenders can carry them.
 
I don't agree with the Robinson sentiment - first of all he played strong games against Colgate and UVM and was flat-out outstanding at CC. He may not have been as good tonight but he entered the game with a .927 save-percentage and a 2.07 GAA...

Tonight's first UMass goal came on a beautiful blind and against the grain pass between his legs by Chau to create a wide-open look at an empty net. The second goal came on a pass from behind the net to a UMass player who skated right past two UNH forwards to a wide-open place in the low slot for a one-timer. The third goal was off of a wrist shot heading wide of the net before it hit Boyd and bounced in. The fourth goal he could have been bigger but t was a Leonard snipe from 30 feet away. Tirone isn't stopping a single one of the first four. Robinson is the far superior goaltender...

I missed the fifth posting about Sato's goal, but I'll go back and watch it. But UNH's biggest problem on both sides of the puck continues to be a lack of moving their feet, in transition, on the attack and on D. For a team who's HC consistently talks about how fast and aggressive they want to play this is concerning...

UMass meanwhile never stops skating. It's easier when you're deeper but thats good hockey to watch. That's how UNH supposedly wants to play. Twenty-two shots for UMass is shocking - because it sure seemed like a lot more than that. I wonder how many nets they missed or shots they had blocked.

Robinson may have had his worst night of the season - but I'd agree with Ref that it was a direct result of his teammates being thoroughly outplayed. Thoroughly. Taylor will probably play again next weekend, as I imagine the rotation was only on hold due to the single game weekends, but Robinson may well have been UNHs most valuable player thru the first three weekends...

The team needs to be much better - skating for three periods and playing fast requires nothing more than effort. You need to move your feet to defend. You need to move your feet on the attack to create chances. UNH is better than what they've shown if they do this...

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On another note, I simply don't get Blackburn being relegated to the fourth line with players who can't either put him in a position to score or give him opportunities to create for them. His 21 goals and 42 points trail only Grasso in the last two plus seasons (and he didn't score a number of his those goals riding shot-gun to TK on the PP). It seems like an odd coaching decision to take your (at worst) second most productive forward out of the picture offensively...

He should be in the top six - creating and finishing next to more talented options. I know who I'd replace but that would go against longstanding UNH tradition...

Assuming Engaras is back next weekend:

Crookshank - Blackburn - Grasso
Nazarian - Pierson - Kelleher
MacAdams - Vela - Engaras
BVR - Miller - Esposito

*If they skate a 13th forward than plug Sacco/Sato/Cefalu/Cippolone/Fregona (whoever it is that day) into the BVR spot and make BVR the 13th guy plying a regular shift and capable of filling any wing role on any line...

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Missed the news about your father Ref. Very sorry to hear about that...
 
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IMHO, Robinson is the weak link right now. He should have had a clear vision on that fifth goal.

I honestly don't know what the San Jose Sharks see in this kid; mediocre goalie at best. I hope Taylor gets the nod next weekend.

Not sure what game you were watching but four of the five goals he let up were a direct result of the atrocious play of UNH in their own end. My first time watching them in person and, to be generous, they have a long way to go. What did they have, maybe two Grade A shots all night? PP was abysmal, especially the five on three. Don’t see much room for optimism at this point.
 
Not sure what game you were watching but four of the five goals he let up were a direct result of the atrocious play of UNH in their own end. My first time watching them in person and, to be generous, they have a long way to go. What did they have, maybe two Grade A shots all night? PP was abysmal, especially the five on three. Don’t see much room for optimism at this point.

I don't disagree that they have a long way to go - but UMass is exceptional this year. The idea that they might miss the playoffs was laughable and with BC and BU looking so horrible to start the season they just might win HE, depending on how they play against PC next weekend...

They are so deep with skill players - one of their leading scorers was suspended tonight. Anyone notice? They have a lot of scoring depth up front. Their D is as talented and mobile as any in the country and they have two very good goalies. They're going to make a lot of teams look bad...

Their coaching staff inherited one of the worst programs in the country and immediately set about recruiting elite skill and production beating out strong programs for top talent. Players they had NO business getting based on UMass history...

But they didn't settle and they DID get them. They made zero excuses and they aggressively attacked recruiting with a real plan on how those players could turn a program around. THAT is how it's done. And it proves it can be done anywhere when you don't sit around and wait for players to approach you because they inherently understand the pride they should take in your program that hasn't been relevant in years...
 
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I don't agree with the Robinson sentiment - first of all he played strong games against Colgate and UVM and was flat-out outstanding at CC. He may not have been as good tonight but he entered the game with a .927 save-percentage and a 2.07 GAA...

Tonight's first UMass goal came on a beautiful blind and against the grain pass between his legs by Chau to create a wide-open look at an empty net. The second goal came on a pass from behind the net to a UMass player who skated right past two UNH forwards to a wide-open place in the low slot for a one-timer. The third goal was off of a wrist shot heading wide of the net before it hit Boyd and bounced in. The fourth goal he could have been bigger but t was a Leonard snipe from 30 feet away. Tirone isn't stopping a single one of the first four. Robinson is the far superior goaltender...

I missed the fifth posting about Sato's goal, but I'll go back and watch it. But UNH's biggest problem on both sides of the puck continues to be a lack of moving their feet, in transition, on the attack and on D. For a team who's HC consistently talks about how fast and aggressive they want to play this is concerning...

UMass meanwhile never stops skating. It's easier when you're deeper but thats good hockey to watch. That's how UNH supposedly wants to play. Twenty-two shots for UMass is shocking - because it sure seemed like a lot more than that. I wonder how many nets they missed or shots they had blocked.

Robinson may have had his worst night of the season - but I'd agree with Ref that it was a direct result of his teammates being thoroughly outplayed. Thoroughly. Taylor will probably play again next weekend, as I imagine the rotation was only on hold due to the single game weekends, but Robinson may well have been UNHs most valuable player thru the first three weekends...

The team needs to be much better - skating for three periods and playing fast requires nothing more than effort. You need to move your feet to defend. You need to move your feet on the attack to create chances. UNH is better than what they've shown if they do this...

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On another note, I simply don't get Blackburn being relegated to the fourth line with players who can't either put him in a position to score or give him opportunities to create for them. His 21 goals and 42 points trail only Grasso in the last two plus seasons (and he didn't score a number of his those goals riding shot-gun to TK on the PP). It seems like an odd coaching decision to take your (at worst) second most productive forward out of the picture offensively...

He should be in the top six - creating and finishing next to more talented options. I know who I'd replace but that would go against longstanding UNH tradition...

Assuming Engaras is back next weekend:

Crookshank - Blackburn - Grasso
Nazarian - Pierson - Kelleher
MacAdams - Vela - Engaras
BVR - Miller - Esposito
(Extra if Applicable)

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Missed the news about your father Ref. Very sorry to hear about that...

Thanks Dan for your kind sentiments they mean alot. And I'd have to echo many of your views of the game, how we played, what we need to be better with. I wondered what was up with Blackburn being where he was in the line up as I always think he's fares best/compliments Grasso. Of course I do not know the dynamics of the team and what goes on from week to week, but I do agree he's very valuable in the top 6. Agree with your top line choice. I totally believe things will start to click with further adjustment for our offensive Freshmen; they have already shown they are capable and if the combos are right I think we'll see some great stuff!

UMass is the real deal and if that's the game UNH should be playing, hey, can't disagree necessarily!! Soooo fast paced and many scoring opps esp in the first period for them. I am glad we'll see them play twice next weekend against 2 top opponents; trial by fire for our newer players (which can only help later on)...

And it wasn't all bad out there; we had our moments and when we can crash the net, that's good stuff. Good for Kohei netting that goal. More of that please!
 
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The focus on this past weekend and next misses the important fact that that's why they play games on paper, not on the ice. The games are pretty irrellevant to knowing how Souza is doing.

Lots of posts still focusing on how they are actually playing.

The growth of those frosh is the one thing to look at to tell us where the program is next year and the year after.

Pierson, better than I expected. Engaras an incomplete. Everyone else sort of what we expected, both for better (Crookshank) and worse.

The second thing to look at is whether Guiliano gains any traction on recruiting.

Still an incomplete. Glad to see him not behind the bench yesterday. Presumably at the U17, but maybe out West getting us real talent, which is where he should be. Let's see what connections he might have made and if those connections lead to commitments.

Again, the actual games are irrelevant.

** except of course, the perplexing placement of Blackburn. This shows the clear division of the forward roster among capable kids with some offensive skills, and the large group of offensive drags like Sacco, Sato, Miller, Cipollone, Cefalu, (and Esposito for now) trying to make them into a scrorers. Only Macadam/BVR are in that tweener role where playing with a good offensive player can lead them to contribute on the offensive end.
 
Lots of posts still focusing on how they are actually playing.



Pierson, better than I expected. Engaras an incomplete. Everyone else sort of what we expected, both for better (Crookshank) and worse.



Still an incomplete. Glad to see him not behind the bench yesterday. Presumably at the U17, but maybe out West getting us real talent, which is where he should be. Let's see what connections he might have made and if those connections lead to commitments.

Again, the actual games are irrelevant.

** except of course, the perplexing placement of Blackburn. This shows the clear division of the forward roster among capable kids with some offensive skills, and the large group of offensive drags like Sacco, Sato, Miller, Cipollone, Cefalu, (and Esposito for now) trying to make them into a scrorers. Only Macadam/BVR are in that tweener role where playing with a good offensive player can lead them to contribute on the offensive end.

I think most of the on-ice talk simply relates to what happened and not what the future holds - aside from my point on what UMass has done on the recruiting trail, which was more a referendum on the last 3.5 years than moving forward.

That said - it does raise a stark contrast in what the two regimes have accomplished. Carvel and UMass immediately showed the type of off ice plan and momentum you're still searching for years later from UNH - starting with convincing Makar and Leonard to stick around and continuing with a clear future vision and high-end recruiting success to an awful program. Exactly what we all hoped would happen for UNH...

But the Wildcats are still treading water three years later. Where we disagree is when you think the changes are still ahead of us and I would argue that's Souza likely has mapped out his vision and recruiting approach, and...

I still don't understand the thought process that Giuliano was hired to handle recruiting. Does anyone have any insight into that actually being the case? I seriously doubt that he's been brought in to play the Borek role with the freedom to do what he wants? And would that even be a good role for a guy who has never recruited before in his life?

I think it's much more likely he's a piece of the puzzle and recruiting is still mainly Souza's gig. I know we all wanted him to hire an ace recruiter - but I'm not sure that was ever his plan. Maybe moreso with White, but after that fell through? I firmly believe Souza thinks HE is the ace recruiter. So we should place our hope there...

Do you think that if Giuliano went to BC and found a late bloomer, a top rookie and two high-end midget kids that he can simply move on them without Souza wanting to go see them? Without Souza wanting them on campus? I don't. I would imagine the pacing would stay the same, the process the same, the sales pitch the same and Souza would make the final call. That means a slowed down process, allowing other schools to move quickly. Which is what we've seen...

Souza has been the HC for six months and the main recruiter for 3.5 years? I think they've established what they want to be in recruiting. I'll believe things have changed in pace and approach when they do...

And I have no problem with Souza having a say - all good recruiting teams run heavily on the HC. Umile was an outlier. But they do need to address their sales pitch, vision, aggressiveness and dependency on late adds. I want to see it - but I need to see evidence, I can't just hope in the face of all tangible production. If it hasn't changed by now, why would it moving forward?

Giuliano has been here over two months - they've added one kid. A kid right out of the Souza blueprint in style and timing, so...?

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As for the on-ice play - I think it matters more than you want to let on. Recruiting and program building don't happen in a vaccum. Two thirds of this staff has already proven they struggle to recruit game changing talent to losing teams (both at UNH and before). The third - again - has never done it before and still has much to learn.

And I think it is a problem when the HC harps on one style of play and a quarter of the way through the season the team still has only managed to play that way in spurts. Maybe they just aren't fast enough to play with elite speed and transition - fair enough - but they can certainly try to do so. I'd have happily watched them lose 8-1 if they skated full-speed, were aggressive in transition and attacked the net (as they say they want to), but instead they pick up loose pucks and turn and look to decide where they want to go, they glide across the blue line and they're not pushing the pace in many areas. It's concerning they're not playing the way the coach says they are supposed to - to me, at least...

That's why UMass did from the day Carvel took over - and they often got bombed for it, but it set the standard and gave recruits a vision of the system they could join and flourish in.

I can remember one odd-man rush this season (which they scored on at CC). I'm sure there have been a few more - but not many. I can remember numerous chances for odd-man rushes and even a blueline in breakaway they passed on in just the last two weekends by being hesitant and indecisive...

Wrapping up the first half of the season with a half handful of wins - after last season's finish - and a tentative style of play is certainly not going to help the coaching staff recruit or build the UNH vision/brand moving forward. Especially when they do have the pieces to at least be fun to watch. What they're doing on the ice now is a factor...

Results shouldn't be their primary goal right now - you're right it should be recruiting and development. But we need to see that now! We should have seen that long ago! I need more reason than just wanting to see it - to expect or hope it will happen. We've expected and hoped it would happen for years now and we've passed re-starting point after re-starting point with the processes we have in place...

I think we need to hope for and focus on evidence that these processes start working - not that they might suddenly change THIS time. That means hoping this team starts to show some evidence of that one way or another. Winning games and playing exciting hockey would clearly help the staff execute a future vision - and they've shown they absolutely need that boost...
 
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So much for the "never say die" attitude, and the comfort of the "close losses" excuse.

As far as Robinson arguably being the early leader for POTY … even if that's true (and it may well be), we were saying the same thing about his predecessor at this point last season. UNH was winning a few of those games too. And we all know how that turned out.

There has to be progress on the ice, and off the ice with recruiting. The latter rarely happens without the former, unless the guy doing the recruiting is dynamic as a salesperson AND as a teacher.

Not much to point to in a positive vein so far this season, but it's still very early. As UNH fans, we're conditioned to seeing our teams jump out of the gate with quick starts, and then fade towards the finish. Like it or not, we're going to have to see a couple of complete cycles to draw informed opinions on whether Souza's program is making any traction. Coach Tikhonov's first season at Amherst Red Army ended up much like UNH's season did last season, and for all of the oohs and ahhs they're apparently generating out there so far this season, they could well turn out to be like seemingly dozens of UNH teams have been in the past generation, quick starts but no finish. I'm prepared to be patient, but with the understanding that we're really in Year 4 of the Souza era, and being prepared to ask serious questions if a turnaround is not at least starting to sprout roots by March 2020.
 
As far as Robinson arguably being the early leader for POTY … even if that's true (and it may well be), we were saying the same thing about his predecessor at this point last season. UNH was winning a few of those games too. And we all know how that turned out.

If Tirone was getting credit that Robinson isn't getting so far this season (despite allowing nearly a quarter of a goal per game more through last year's hot start - as well as an Entirely inconsistent effort that saw a 0.33 GA in three games and a 3.00 GAA in the remaining five - as opposed to the first three weekends of this season when Robinson was good every night) it was likely due to UNH scoring nearly four goals per game in that stretch last season - as opposed to less than two per this year. Amazing how what a team does 200 feet away paints an impression of a goaltender...

Robinson has had two tough nights at UNH, if you want to blame last night in him which I don't - remove those two nights (yesterday and 20 mins last year against NU - two awful team nights) and he's .929 and around 2.05. So maybe he's going to clunk 10% of the time - although I still think both nights can easily be attributed to tough team nights (watch the goals from last night and tell me which are on him? The NU night both goalies were bombed because the team didn't show up) - but the other 90% of the time it seems like he'll be very very good. If he gives up two a night nine times out of ten - what more can they ask for? Not much if they can only manage two of their own. And don't write back pretending Tirone gave them that because he didn't...

Perhaps UMass will go UNH of the 90s and stumble into the NCAA tournament on a sour note. That won't make it a bad season for them. If you think they're going to start hot and finish with ten wins like UNH did you're simply being stubborn. It is simply a fact that they've stacked two of the best recruiting classes - based on production before and at UMass - in the country together the last two years. And let's be clear - despite a tough first two seasons under Carvel, UMass was over flowing with the long term development and recruiting signposts Watcher is calling for. As for this UMass season compared to last years start for UNH, I don't recall UNH going on the road and winning at the #1 team in the country early last season, do you? Last season's hot start for UNH was eight games against some of the weakest teams in the nation...

This year Colgate and CC were on the road. CC and UMass are much improved. UVM at home was an OT game both years. The offense is younger and lost two productive (relatively) seniors. Hence, the different results in spite of the goaltending...

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Ref - Watcher's point is simply that there are more important signs of progress to keep an eye on for UNH than short-term, on-ice results. He's right, generally - I just think the on-ice performance will certainly influence what they are able to accomplish, or at the very least how quickly they can improve in key areas, over the longer term...

And I disagree that things are likely to change much moving forward - at least regarding how they approach certain processes. I think they've established how they want to do things and we need to hope it starts working. We've targeted so many different situations as the one that will change the approach - Umile hiring a new assistant, Souza's arrival, Souza needing to get his feet wet, Souza being the HC, Souza's new assistant and now Giuliano and Souza need to grow together long term before we can see real change. At some point we have to stop kicking the can down the road and they simply need to start delivering - in recruiting and development, sure, but also on the ice...
 
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Dan, honestly, right now you're bending over backwards & sideways to find your way to demonstrating some superiority of Robinson over Tirone - sometimes by downplaying what Tirone did at his best, and other times by dismissing Robinson's worst moments, while amplifying his (modest) early statistical successes. And let's not misunderstand - I'd be thrilled if Robinson does come good, 'cuz UNH needs every positive development possible to turn the program around. But we're still talking about a kid who has won one (1) D-1 start in his career to date. Let's not make Robinson out to be the next Connor Hellebuyck just yet, OK?

As far as UMass this season, I never compared their start to UNH's start last season - that was a Tirone vs. Robinson thing - but yeah, you are correct, I'm talking about a '90's (and beyond) UNH comparison. I also said I expected one of UConn or UMass to miss the HE playoffs THIS season (and I'll stick with that), but yeah, at this point, I would be surprised if UMass also missed out (and earlier, I did say I wouldn't be surprised if that happened). I'm not ready to qualify them for the D-1 playoffs just yet though, and as I've pointed out in our prior discussions, Coach Carvel's next D-1 tourney appearance will be his first. And not that I've made this comparison before, but it's instructive to note that by a similar point in his career to Coach Carvel, Coach Umile's program was already a regular participant in a much-smaller 12 team NCAA tourney.

If your bigger point is that Coach Carvel is now doing at UMass what we'd hoped Coach Souza would already be on his way to doing at UNH, then you and I are entirely on the same page. :) :)
 
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