UML Recruiting, Building for the future

[BCHF]

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Thanks for the background info. There's no substitute for first-hand assessments from someone who recruits for a living. Are there other scouting reports on Lyles available on the web?

Here is an unbias opinion about Lyles from some of the limited exposure he had at BC a year ago...

He was very quick on his skates but often appeared out of position and undisciplined with respect to his gap, and proximity to his partner. Those regularly displayed characteristics made it very difficult for BC staff to count on or depend on him in game action. He had multiple opportunities to earn a regular spot in the line-up with prolonged injuries to Wey and Cross. High energy guy that likes to join the rush a lot even when it might not be in the best interest of the team. I personally had questions about hockey IQ because of the "all over the ice" mentality. Ultimately, for Malcolm the writing was on the wall as Wey never returned last year but Malcolm got supplanted by Alber who was much more dependable and consistent in his own end.

Great to hear that Malcolm will be back in Hockey East in 2011-2012 with two years left in eligibility. He will have to earn his ice time but seems better suited to garner top 6 defensive minutes at UML based on being older and hopefully wiser from a performance perspective.

 

[Ryecheers]

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It seems to me that last season, Lyles was regularly castigated by the BC posters who really lit into him. They were deeelighted when he lost his position to the collection of freshman Ds who did a fine job in front of Muse.

I know the boy was interested in NU a couple of years ago, but they were out of $, When he got a little something abd a little love from BC, he headed there.

As Hokydad, mentioned, Vernon is a top junior program. Collins' linemate, Braden Pimm centers NU's second line and is improving each game. It seems to take BCJH players a little longer to get used to the speed of HEA play than it take for the USHL players. That is even more true for the league's defensemen, some of whom play more O than D.

Vernon's top D may actually be Ryan Renz, a 6'2" 210 lb. 17 year old that they traded for from Port Alberni. NU beat out Miami, Ohio for him, but it is unlikely that he'll more than the 6th D next year.

OTOH, Lyle had plenty of raw talent and can only benefit from the superior coaching he should have received in Vernon. He has already experienced the rigors of D1 and should be a meaningful contributor on day one.

Every decent character deserves a second opportunity to do well and Lowell can use a break after the Melchiori disappointment. (BTW, players from Ontario seem to take even longer than the B.C. kids to adjust to the speed of the college game.) As a Husky fan, I can sympathize and empathize with you guys - unfortunately.

Next up for a second chance: Vincent Saponari(decent character??. Anyone have a clue?

 

[irishfan85]

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Next up for a second chance: Vincent Saponari(decent character??. Anyone have a clue?

UMass-Lowell, Northeastern or Maine are my guesses.

 

[J.D.]

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Here is an unbias opinion about Lyles from some of the limited exposure he had at BC a year ago...

Who, besides Hokydad, gave a biased opinion?

He was very quick on his skates but often appeared out of position and undisciplined with respect to his gap, and proximity to his partner. Those regularly displayed characteristics made it very difficult for BC staff to count on or depend on him in game action. He had multiple opportunities to earn a regular spot in the line-up with prolonged injuries to Wey and Cross. High energy guy that likes to join the rush a lot even when it might not be in the best interest of the team. I personally had questions about hockey IQ because of the "all over the ice" mentality. Ultimately, for Malcolm the writing was on the wall as Wey never returned last year but Malcolm got supplanted by Alber who was much more dependable and consistent in his own end.

Great to hear that Malcolm will be back in Hockey East in 2011-2012 with two years left in eligibility. He will have to earn his ice time but seems better suited to garner top 6 defensive minutes at UML based on being older and hopefully wiser from a performance perspective.

Completely agree with all of this.

It seems to me that last season, Lyles was regularly castigated by the BC posters who really lit into him. They were deeelighted when he lost his position to the collection of freshman Ds who did a fine job in front of Muse.

This seems a little harsh and exaggerated to me, but whatever. I certainly wasn't one of them.

OTOH, Lyle had plenty of raw talent and can only benefit from the superior coaching he should have received in Vernon. He has already experienced the rigors of D1 and should be a meaningful contributor on day one.

Superior coaching than what he got at BC? I think it has more to do with the more ice time he was sure to get by leaving BC.

 

[sterlippo1]

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It seems to me that last season, Lyles was regularly castigated by the BC posters who really lit into him. They were deeelighted when he lost his position to the collection of freshman Ds who did a fine job in front of Muse.

this is rubbish. we were not "deeelighted when he lost his position" he lost his position because he couldn't get the job done at that time and the other guy could........sure, we as BC fans were hoping a BC player failed..............but your post certainly did

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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It seems to me that last season, Lyles was regularly castigated by the BC posters who really lit into him. They were deeelighted when he lost his position to the collection of freshman Ds who did a fine job in front of Muse.

I don't recall anyone deeelighted that Lyles failed to crack the lineup and take care of business. I know some people thought it was fantastic that hokydad repeatedly argued that Lyles was absolutely a lock to play and was going to be an impact player for BC and then Lyles not only was not playing and not having an impact but he was overtaken by a walk-on.

That was some funny stuff. I like hoky, but that was some funny stuff. He ate a lot of merde for that one.

 

[Hokydad]

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The point is very simple. Very... BC does not have the time, with the kids schedules etc to spend hours with a kid on film, one on one etc. The junior rpograms , especially the ones with 2 million dollar budgets and full time coaches making 6 figures. These guys are teachers and I would bet that the HC at Vernon spent more time there teaching him how to play the position in the first 2 months than BC did in the first 2 years. They are not alone in that front. I also mentioned that Lyles was to young and probably overwelmed by showing up at BC at 18. He was not ready.

Dont worry Lowell fans, he is a keeper and will take advantage of his new opportunity. You have a steal that several other D 1 , high end programs were all over. I know, they are stupid as well.

For the pace of the game, i have to disagree. Gill was from Vernon, not top 3 in scoring last year and was Hockey East rookie of the month the first month of the season, big adjustment there. He is on BU's first line. Collins was named rookie of week last week and is killing it this year. As are many other BCHL players but especialy players from Vernon. The coach there makes them play the game right , no floating and does so to ensure that they step in from day one and can compete, not sit in the stands. His track record of success sums it up. If he didnt think he was ready, he wouldnt say he was and wouldnt play him as number one D. I am not the one who said he is best D in the league, he is. A guy who played over 1000 pro games and is considered a star in the Canadian junior hockey coaching ranks.

His opinion after 6 months, 50 games and 100 practices is good enough for me.

Lowell picked a good one here.

 

[Hokydad]

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Lyles signs with University of Massachusetts-Lowell


Wednesday, February 2, 2011 - Submitted by BCHL Media/Vernon Vipers


The Vernon Vipers hockey club is pleased to announce that 20-year-old defenceman Malcolm Lyles has committed to play for the University of Massachusetts-Lowell River Hawks for the 2011-12 season.

Lyles, a product of Miami Gardens, Fla., has steadily improved throughout the season according to the Vipers coaching staff, who believe he has become one of the premier defenceman in the league.

"His skating ability and strength are among the best in the BCHL," said Vipers associate coach Jason Williamson. "His style of play has made him a fan favourite."

The Riverhawks play in Hockey East which also includes Lyles' former team, the Boston College Eagles. Patrick Cey, a former Viper, also plays for the Riverhawks and was recently named Hockey East player of the week.

"Malcolm has worked hard to get back to the college level," continued Williamson. "He has been an extremely important piece to our team and is a player that is very hard to play against for the opposition."

The Vernon Vipers would like to congratulate Malcolm on this recent achievement and wish him continued success

 

[sterlippo1]

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The point is very simple. Very... BC does not have the time, with the kids schedules etc to spend hours with a kid on film, one on one etc. The junior rpograms , especially the ones with 2 million dollar budgets and full time coaches making 6 figures. These guys are teachers and I would bet that the HC at Vernon spent more time there teaching him how to play the position in the first 2 months than BC did in the first 2 years. They are not alone in that front. I also mentioned that Lyles was to young and probably overwelmed by showing up at BC at 18. He was not ready.

Dont worry Lowell fans, he is a keeper and will take advantage of his new opportunity. You have a steal that several other D 1 , high end programs were all over. I know, they are stupid as well.

For the pace of the game, i have to disagree. Gill was from Vernon, not top 3 in scoring last year and was Hockey East rookie of the month the first month of the season, big adjustment there. He is on BU's first line. Collins was named rookie of week last week and is killing it this year. As are many other BCHL players but especialy players from Vernon. The coach there makes them play the game right , no floating and does so to ensure that they step in from day one and can compete, not sit in the stands. His track record of success sums it up. If he didnt think he was ready, he wouldnt say he was and wouldnt play him as number one D. I am not the one who said he is best D in the league, he is. A guy who played over 1000 pro games and is considered a star in the Canadian junior hockey coaching ranks.

His opinion after 6 months, 50 games and 100 practices is good enough for me.

Lowell picked a good one here.

I think we all hope that is true...........if he improved his game we all are happy for him and if he chose Lowell? great for the both of them. we wish him the best and want him to succeed and won't be "deeelighted" if it doesnt work out

 

[J.D.]

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These guys are teachers and I would bet that the HC at Vernon spent more time there teaching him how to play the position in the first 2 months than BC did in the first 2 years.

You already explained how those types of teams simply have more time to work with players--fine. I just think you're shortchanging the work BC did with Lyles in practice over two years.

Dont worry Lowell fans, he is a keeper and will take advantage of his new opportunity. You have a steal that several other D 1 , high end programs were all over. I know, they are stupid as well.

*** are you talking about? Who said these teams were stupid for showing interest in Lyles? IMO, you're just making him out to be better than he'll show. We'll see.

His opinion after 6 months, 50 games and 100 practices is good enough for me.

We get it. His coach likes him as a player. That's earth shattering news, you never see junior coaches praise their players...

For once, just try offering your opinion without the name dropping.

 

[Hokydad]

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You already explained how those types of teams simply have more time to work with players--fine. I just think you're shortchanging the work BC did with Lyles in practice over two years.



*** are you talking about? Who said these teams were stupid for showing interest in Lyles? IMO, you're just making him out to be better than he'll show. We'll see.



We get it. His coach likes him as a player. That's earth shattering news, you never see junior coaches praise their players...

For once, just try offering your opinion without the name dropping.

Drop names only when you and your couple bc pals start getting worked up and claiming things are unsubstantiated. If I dont mention a name, you yell it is not true and to prove it. If I do, you yell and get all worked up that it is name dropping. You BC fans need to take a leson from Lowell in how to have a thread and be civil.

Again, it is not mine but that of 3/4 who I respect and know wouldnt bs. Guys with zero agendas and know what they are talking about.

 

[Hokydad]

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We get it. His coach likes him as a player. That's earth shattering news, you never see junior coaches praise their players...



What you dont see is a coach telling several high end D 1 programs that they have a player who has turned out to be the premier dman in the league and a must get. In a million years they wont risk future placement of players on it. Especially when we have a kid from Florida, a 1 year player and zero vested interest. The one thing they do have is their word and credability. If not, the next time the coaches in D 1 show up and ask, they dont take them serious.

 

[SteveF]

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lyles is a keeper. egypt wanted him for president, but he picked hockey east!!

 

[Hokydad]

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He was the president of NAPS. So he might qualify for that spot......

 

[J.D.]

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Drop names only when you and your couple bc pals start getting worked up and claiming thisngs are unsbstantiated. If I dont mention name, you yell it is not true and to prove it. If I do, you yell and get all worked up that it is name dropping. You BC fans need to take a leson from Lowell in how to have a thread and be civil.

Again, it is not mine but that of 3/4 who I respect and know wouldnt bs. Guys with zero agendas and know what they are talking about.

LOL. Not quite. Your name dropping caused me to say what you were spouting was unsubstantiated. Not the other way around. But please, tell me again how much Denver wanted him and how much the Toronto scouts love him

Ha, nobody's being uncivil towards UML fans or Lyles...we're just being uncivil towards you. I wonder why...

Why is it so difficult to simply offer an opinion on a player without dragging "sources" into this when we have no idea if you talked to these people or not? I offered an opinion on what I saw from Lyles at BC and like clockwork you immediately had to jump into "well this guy said this about him and this guy said that..."

 

[sterlippo1]

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Drop names only when you and your couple bc pals start getting worked up and claiming things are unsubstantiated. If I dont mention a name, you yell it is not true and to prove it. If I do, you yell and get all worked up that it is name dropping. You BC fans need to take a leson from Lowell in how to have a thread and be civil.

Again, it is not mine but that of 3/4 who I respect and know wouldnt bs. Guys with zero agendas and know what they are talking about.

all we are asking is you cease with your condescending, know it all attitude which manifests itself into incendiary posts

 

[J.D.]

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What you dont see is a coach telling several high end D 1 programs that they have a player who has turned out to be the premier dman in the league and a must get.

You're right, I don't see it. I've never claimed to have any sources like you ALWAYS have to do. I simply offer my opinion.

 

[Hokydad]

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LOL. Not quite. Your name dropping caused me to say what you were spouting was unsubstantiated. Not the other way around. But please, tell me again how much Denver wanted him and how much the Toronto scouts love him

Ha, nobody's being uncivil towards UML fans or Lyles...we're just being uncivil towards you. I wonder why...

Why is it so difficult to simply offer an opinion on a player without dragging "sources" into this when we have no idea if you talked to these people or not? I offered an opinion on what I saw from Lyles at BC and like clockwork you immediately had to jump into "well this guy said this about him and this guy said that..."

Very simple. When someone says something like, "Lyles is not an elite skater" etc, I felt it was so off base I added the other opinions. Amazing how you say, "I didnt ask for your opinion or a response but you clip and paste and answer ever single one of mine.

Call it a truce and everyone wish him well and let his play speak for itself.

Lowell fans be happy, he will be a fan favorite for sure.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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Settle down hoky. Take a few breaths into a brown paper bag and maybe take a tranquilizer. Maybe go for a ride in the van to help you relax.

UML fans... congrats. Try not to have unreasonable expectations for this kid because Hoky has a mancrush on him. That's all everyone else is saying. He'll probably be a contributor... anything past that is not something I would bet on.

 

[J.D.]

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When someone says something like, "Lyles is not an elite skater" etc, I felt it was so off base I added the other opinions.

We've already been through this. IMO, when someone shows a propensity to stumble around and fall down, that doesn't make him an elite skater.

Amazing how you say, "I didnt ask for your opinion or a response but you clip and paste and answer ever single one of mine.

Umm I said that in one specific post in response to something specific you said.

Lowell fans be happy, he will be a fan favorite for sure.

They know already!!! You've said it about five times.