UML Recruiting, Building for the future

[C-H-C]

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John Lilly(this coming from a BU guy) , the head pro scout for Toronto Maple Leafs said that without question, he (Malcolm Lyles) is the top dman in the league and was blown away with his improvement.

Thanks for the background info. There's no substitute for first-hand assessments from someone who recruits for a living. Are there other scouting reports on Lyles available on the web?

 

[J.D.]

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Nothing except hockey dope has always had a man crush on Malcolm Lyles. Just search back to when he was at BC. He probably waved back one time when entering a rink.

Ha, this is pretty accurate. Rather than get in a war of words with a poster I won't name, here is my assessment on Lyles:

Very, very raw. Undersized d-man, but very quick. Not an elite skater (fast, but stumbled around at times), but can jump into the play/make a play. Was hoping to see more of him, but the biggest thing is, he needs ice time. A little to jumpy at times, getting himself out of position, but if he gets a chance to play at UML, I think he can turn into a decent bottom pairing guy. I'm definitely interested to see how he does.

 

[UMLFan]

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Very, very raw. Undersized d-man, but very quick. Not an elite skater (fast, but stumbled around at times), but can jump into the play/make a play. Was hoping to see more of him, but the biggest thing is, he needs ice time. A little to jumpy at times, getting himself out of position, but if he gets a chance to play at UML, I think he can turn into a decent bottom pairing guy. I'm definitely interested to see how he does.

Here's hoping he acheives at least what you mentioned. But as you said, he was raw, that was a little while ago and hopefully has gotten better since.

 

[Hokydad]

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There you go with the name dropping again. I watch a lot of college, EJ, prep school and high school games, and am not nor would I ever consider myself an expert on the BCHL. I'm sure the Vernon coach is a good coach. However, I find it extremely hard to believe Jerry York and his staff (the best staff in the land over the last 15 years) didn't have the time to help him develop if he really has this great talent as you suggest. Yes, he was too young when he went to BC. I'm sure he will be good, but your assertion that he is the best d-man in the BCHL is laughable.

It isnt mine. It is that of the head coach and several NHL scouts. I agree York and his staff are exceptional. Exceptional at bringing in elite players and getting the best out of them, not developiong them. Every single player that walks into BC is a stud player and highly recruited.. very few pieces of clay and 17 year olds who dont know how to play their position. Look at thier current roster and pick out one raw talent, who doesnt "get it". Good luck.

Lyles was exactly that. The Vernon coach did film with him 3 days a week for an hour+, spent a ton of time with him in the mornings before practice. No school during the day, as all classes are on line at night. BC could never do that nor would you expect them to. In fairness, Lyles was to young, immature(like most at 17/18) and also might not have taken advantage of an opportunity. He made the move and left, dedicated himself over the past year and has turned into an elite player in a top league. He had schools lined up to get him but wanted Hockey east and Lowell went after him and he accepted.

Should be fun to watch and see if it works out as well as you would espect it to. Based upon Vernons placement and alum over past 5 years and their success in Hockey East, you would expect it to.

Would you expect a BC fan to ever think their coaching staff didnt get the best out of a player? They wanted him to stay, he left on his own and it is working out for him. Lowells gain. Not that the 2 situations are close but I remember a kid named Lovejoy who BC said couldnt play as well and I think it worked out pretty well for him

 

[Hokydad]

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Ha, this is pretty accurate. Rather than get in a war of words with a poster I won't name, here is my assessment on Lyles:

Very, very raw. Undersized d-man, but very quick. Not an elite skater (fast, but stumbled around at times), but can jump into the play/make a play. Was hoping to see more of him, but the biggest thing is, he needs ice time. A little to jumpy at times, getting himself out of position, but if he gets a chance to play at UML, I think he can turn into a decent bottom pairing guy. I'm definitely interested to see how he does.

Not an elite skater? After that comment, it is hard to even answer you. He is such a good skater he already had offers to play in Europe as a forward. Will be top 5% in Hockey east as a skater at worst. Lowell fans, dont wory and dont listen to anyone, me included. Simply look at Vernon, their coaching staff and look at thier track record of developing, not riding but developing players. look at their D 1 oplacement and the success they have and you can see the potential. he will be no different. Look at Noonan at BU this year and Collins at Merrimack this year. Both went to Vernon from Catholic Memorial, very raw and are huge impacts on their teams as freshmen. Lyles is better than both.

These were the comments on him when he hooked on with BC

Deerfield Academy 5’11”, 190 lb. senior RD Malcolm Lyles has committed to Boston College for fall ‘08.

A 7/20/90 birthdate from Miami Gardens, Florida, Lyles, who is also a good football player, is a terrific skater with great balance. In 25 games last season, he had a 5-3-8 line in 25 games. He’ll be a depth player with the Eagles, and will compete for playing time.

Ivy schools like Princeton, Dartmouth, and Yale were also interested in Lyles, who played well at the Select 17s in July (see USHR News, 7/16/07).

Lyles is the younger brother of former Deerfield forward Milton Lyles, who was also an excellent skater and is now at North Carolina as a lacrosse player.

 

[Hokydad]

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Thanks for the background info. There's no substitute for first-hand assessments from someone who recruits for a living. Are there other scouting reports on Lyles available on the web?

Easiest way is just google him and add vernon vipers. You will see one thing, an impact in most if not all games.

 

[J.D.]

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It isnt mine. It is that of the head coach and several NHL scouts.

Link? Quotes?

I agree York and his staff are exceptional. Exceptional at bringing in elite players and getting the best out of them, not developiong them.

Good lord...

Would you expect a BC fan to ever think their coaching staff didnt get the best out of a player? They wanted him to stay, he left on his own and it is working out for him. Lowells gain. Not that the 2 situations are close but I remember a kid named Lovejoy who BC said couldnt play as well and I think it worked out pretty well for him

LOL. BC said Lovejoy couldn't play? You really do struggle with the English language. As for Lyles, if he stuck around, maybe they would have gotten the best out of him. They've certainly gotten the best out of someone like Patch Alber (contrary to what you think, not a stud recruit). Not saying Lyles should have stayed, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have gotten the best out of him.

Not an elite skater? After that comment, it is hard to even answer you. He is such a good skater he already had offers to play in Europe as a forward. Will be top 5% in Hockey east as a skater at worst.

Why did you post the same exact thing in the BC thread? Reading your stuff once is hard enough. BTW, I didn't ask any questions, nor did I pose any to you. I also didn't ask for your feedback, so you never had to answer me to begin with.

 

[Hokydad]

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No worries Lowell fans. He is a very good player and will be a fan favorite. He had several high end programs in the hunt and he wanted UML and Hockey East.

JD is just angry because he never has anything but blah, blah to add. FYI, I didnt ask or want your feedback as well.

 

[Slasher7]

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It isnt mine. It is that of the head coach and several NHL scouts. I agree York and his staff are exceptional. Exceptional at bringing in elite players and getting the best out of them, not developiong them.

You're right, I forgot Tier 1 NHL locks Ryan Shannon and Peter Harrold didn't develop in BC's system. Neither did Stephen Gionta. I'm sure 6'4" monsters Brian Gionta and Nathan Gerbe didn't develop at all under York. I remember when Scott Clemmensen came to BC, he was being compared to Ken Dryden, too.

Seriously, you are such an ignorant fool its painful.

 

[leswp1]

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No worries Lowell fans. He is a very good player and will be a fan favorite. He had several high end programs in the hunt and he wanted UML and Hockey East.

JD is just angry because he never has anything but blah, blah to add. FYI, I didnt ask or want your feedback as well.

You must genuflect when the great name of BC is mentioned. If you would just do that all would be well.

 

[J.D.]

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Not exactly sure what I'm angry about, but I think I was the first one to give my feedback on Lyles. Guess that constitues as "blah blah blah". I'll take that over hot air anyday.

 

[Hokydad]

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You must genuflect when the great name of BC is mentioned. If you would just do that all would be well.

exactly.

 

[J.D.]

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You must genuflect when the great name of BC is mentioned. If you would just do that all would be well.

 

[boblav1]

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Thanks for the information Hokydad. I'm looking forward to seeing Lyles in a Lowell uniform. Are you hearing anything else about possible recruits for 2012 or later for Lowell?

 

[UMLFan]

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Personally, I'd like to thank Hokydad because he was the one who told us someone that he considers high end was coming to Lowell.

From the other side, I'd like to thank the BC fans for givings their opinion about Lyles, since I did ask.

I hope the kid can play, and I hope he has improved and will succeed here at Lowell.

 

[Hokydad]

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Personally, I'd like to thank Hokydad because he was the one who told us someone that he considers high end was coming to Lowell.

From the other side, I'd like to thank the BC fans for givings their opinion about Lyles, since I did ask.

I hope the kid can play, and I hope he has improved and will succeed here at Lowell.

He will and many others feel he is high end as well including Toronto, his current coach, Denver and others.

 

[Hokydad]

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Thanks for the information Hokydad. I'm looking forward to seeing Lyles in a Lowell uniform. Are you hearing anything else about possible recruits for 2012 or later for Lowell?

No, just that Green was in Vancouver last week and is looking there for 12 and 13.

 

[Slasher7]

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Personally, I'd like to thank Hokydad because he was the one who told us someone that he considers high end was coming to Lowell.

From the other side, I'd like to thank the BC fans for givings their opinion about Lyles, since I did ask.

I hope the kid can play, and I hope he has improved and will succeed here at Lowell.

I'll disagree about Lyles being "high end", but I'm happy to see him get another shot. He's not the Hockey Jesus that hokydad wants you to think he is, but he'll play hard.

 

[Hokydad]

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I'll disagree about Lyles being "high end", but I'm happy to see him get another shot. He's not the Hockey Jesus that hokydad wants you to think he is, but he'll play hard.

I will stick with John Lilly's opinion and that of his current coach, Mark Ferner.

When did you last see him play? And you call me a know it all blowhard.

I just emailed denver and told them they were wrong as well, based upon your scouting report from your mothers basement

 

[Slasher7]

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I will stick with John Lilly's opinion and that of his current coach, Mark Ferner.

When did you last see him play? And you call me a know it all blowhard.

I just emailed denver and told them they were wrong as well, based upon your scouting report from your mothers basement

I'm pretty sure Denver has your email blocked at this point, champ. So what are your expectations for Lyles? Top D man in HE? Top 5 nationally? Hobey finalist? I just want your opinion on record for next year when we can all revisit this thread and point and laugh.

ps- teach a kid to skate fast? LOLOL