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UML 2011/2012 Season Thread

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It doesn't bother me, I thought his rant was funny yet ignorant on many levels. It sounds like 'someone' needs to learn what makes the world go around.

Ignorant in what respect? Ignorant to believe the commissioner of the league should be promoting all of the teams he's paid to represent?

I would expect the powers that be at Fenway to maximize their earning potential by scheduling the biggest draws and the networks to want the best teams on their broadcasts. They don't care about hockey, they care about dollars and ratings and that's fine. But I also expect the Hockey East commissioner to push for fairness with these situations. I'm not saying it has to be a Lowell/Merrimack game. Lowell/BC put 5,100 in the Tsongas last weekend, they could certainly draw a large crowd for a Fenway game.

So, again, I'm going to need your definition of ignorance because you're not making any sense.

*boldfaced so that perhaps this time you'll get the point.
 
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No, not every team deserves a shot to try and sell out a 40k seat building. You think Brown vs. UML would sell out?
Who the hell is talking about Brown except for you? I'm pretty sure if UML had been included in the matchups that have been put together, the school/alumni fan base would have sold their allotment and then some ... if given the chance.
The only time either Brown or Lowell's arenas are sold out is when a big time opponent comes in with their fans. Dont be foolish.
You're comparing a stadium that holds more than double Brown's ... and you're telling me not to be foolish. Gotcha.
This event will grow to other non-Hockey East programs if it is successful.
When did I say it wouldn't get there? I said it hasn't so far. Unlike you, I won't bother predicting the future.
Personally, I think Lowell will eventually either fold its program due to budget cuts (does Massachusetts really need two D1 teams?) or go to the ECAC (a conference they'd probably do well in).
I think you're wrong, we'll see I suppose.
I dont know what you mean by the Lowell crowds at the Fleet. I was at the 09 final and 11 final and the Merrimack fans totally outnumbered what Lowell brought.
You're awesome. There were more Merrimack fans at the '09 final where BU beat Lowell 1-0 (even though Merrimack wasn't in the HE playoffs) and there were more Merrimack fans at the '11 Final (when Lowell wasn't in the HE playoffs). This might be the best line I've read on USCHO in a long long time.
 
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Personally, I think Lowell will eventually either fold its program due to budget cuts (does Massachusetts really need two D1 teams?) or go to the ECAC (a conference they'd probably do well in).

Thanks for playing.

That right there let's me know you don't have the slightest clue about Lowell hockey and its recent history.

Thanks for the neg rep, you should sign it next time. Nancy.
 
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Thanks for playing.

That right there let's me know you don't have the slightest clue about Lowell hockey and its recent history.

Thanks for the neg rep, you should sign it next time. Nancy.

Lowell hockey and recent history? They participated in the 2008 Hockey East final did they?
 
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Minnesota has 5 state schools playing Division I hockey. Michigan has seven state schools playing D1. Alaska has two. Massachusetts certainly can have two state schools playing D1 hockey. That is the most absurd argument ever that Mass only needs 1 state school playing D1.

Secondly, and I'm saying this is a non-UML fan, the River Hawks have far more history than UMass-Amherst. More NCAA Division I Tournament appearances, more Garden appearances, and a heck of a Division II heritage, winning three or four National Championships at that level. They also have a better barn with better fan support. UMass is a big cavernous place meant for basketball and it is quiet and dull.
 
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Ignorant in what respect? Ignorant to believe the commissioner of the league should be promoting all of the teams he's paid to represent?

Bertagna's job is to promote the league. Yes, he's doing so by showcasing the league's best programs. You don't try to promote your league by bringing the ugly girl to the dance. Pushing fairness? Are you insane? Fairness doesn't pay the bills. If he had his way, BC and BU would play on national TV ten times a year because those programs showcase the league in its finest form. UMass-Lowell? Seriously?
 
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Minnesota has 5 state schools playing Division I hockey. Michigan has seven state schools playing D1. Alaska has two. Massachusetts certainly can have two state schools playing D1 hockey. That is the most absurd argument ever that Mass only needs 1 state school playing D1..

Alaska has two teams, correct. How many other programs does the state have at the D1 level compared to Massachusetts? Also, the number of hockey players, fans, overall population, etc in Minnesota and Michigan far exceed the number in Massachusetts.
 
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Alaska has two teams, correct. How many other programs does the state have at the D1 level compared to Massachusetts? Also, the number of hockey players, fans, overall population, etc in Minnesota and Michigan far exceed the number in Massachusetts.

Well, I guess one of the Rhode Island based D1 schools needs to fold seeing as they have the smallest state of any hockey producing states and whatnot. :rolleyes:
 
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You're awesome. There were more Merrimack fans at the '09 final where BU beat Lowell 1-0 (even though Merrimack wasn't in the HE playoffs) and there were more Merrimack fans at the '11 Final (when Lowell wasn't in the HE playoffs). This might be the best line I've read on USCHO in a long long time.

I'll try this again so even a Lowell graduate can get it. Merrimack had more fans at the Garden when they played in the final last year than Lowell did when they played in the 09 final. (and I thought the Cornell fans were slow).
 
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Well, I guess one of the Rhode Island based D1 schools needs to fold seeing as they have the smallest state of any hockey producing states and whatnot. :rolleyes:

psst- Brown and Providence are private schools. We dont need taxpayers to pay for students to attend those schools.
 
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psst- Brown and Providence are private schools. We dont need taxpayers to pay for students to attend those schools.

Yes. I know they are private schools, but you brought up how many other programs have D1 hockey in Mass besides the state schools.
 
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BC put 5,100 in the Tsongas last weekend, they could certainly draw a large crowd for a Fenway game.

Fixed your post. Most of those fans were brought out by the opponent NOT Lowell. If you dont believe me, compare attendance figures for games when BC/UNH/BU aren't the opposition.
 
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Yes. I know they are private schools, but you brought up how many other programs have D1 hockey in Mass besides the state schools.

Yes, but does a small state need to subsidize two D1 hockey programs when there are several private ones within its borders? Do either Mass. state programs turn a nickel profit for the state? Alaska has two programs, too, but the state is huge and there are no other programs.
 
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Yes, but does a small state need to subsidize two D1 hockey programs when there are several private ones within its borders? Do either Mass. state programs turn a nickel profit for the state? Alaska has two programs, too, but the state is huge and there are no other programs.

Look. I'm one of the biggest supporters of fiscal conservatism there are. I thought you, of all people, being a Brown and Ivy school guy, would realize that intercollegiate athletics aren't all about the bucks. It's about the betterment of the college and providing young people with avenues to get involved and succeed in high learning.

I mean do you think Alabama or Penn State make money off their golf programs or off their women's soccer programs? I doubt it.
 
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I dont know what you mean by the Lowell crowds at the Fleet. I was at the 09 final and 11 final and the Merrimack fans totally outnumbered what Lowell brought.

I'll try this again so even a Lowell graduate can get it. Merrimack had more fans at the Garden when they played in the final last year than Lowell did when they played in the 09 final. (and I thought the Cornell fans were slow).
Or I was assuming a Brown graduate could actually phrase a statement correctly, as you did the second time. That's much more clear. The first wasn't.
Fixed your post. Most of those fans were brought out by the opponent NOT Lowell. If you dont believe me, compare attendance figures for games when BC/UNH/BU aren't the opposition.
It couldn't actually be that more Lowell fans are interested in games where they get to see better players ... nah. Of course not, you know better. Never mind the BC fans that have admitted that they were surprised with how bad Lowell was last year, that the Lowell fan base so outnumbered BC. You know better, since you know our fan base so well. I'm done debating with you, it's pointless to argue with someone that thinks they know everything.
 
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and there were more Merrimack fans at the '11 Final (when Lowell wasn't in the HE playoffs).

when I originally read that from OM I thought I slept in and missed something. Phew

carry on
 
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All this smack talk from a Brown fan is making me laugh. You realize you averaged less than 1,500 fans a game last year, right guy?

I went to both '09 and '11 and didn't really see any difference in crowds between Lowell and Merrimack. They both took up about the same number of sections. If anything, I remember Lowell being on spring break at the time. I don't know if Merrimack students were on break during their run.

Regarding the added outdoor game, I agree with Patronick that it's bogus for BC to be getting another outdoor game when other teams haven't had their shot at it. Just another example of Hockey East screwing over Lowell, Merrimack, and Providence.
 
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and there were more Merrimack fans at the '11 Final (when Lowell wasn't in the HE playoffs).

when I originally read that from OM I thought I slept in and missed something. Phew

carry on
No, let's not. Time to stop feeding the troll. Thank you.
 
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The Commish of the league should want all his teams to succeed because it does make the top teams stand out more. Not giving every team a chance to have a shot, while giving others shows favoritism, like it or not.

By the commissioner of the league? I think by definition we're owed at least equal footing, and that is certainly not the case. If that's expecting too much than we might as well fold up the program because what's the point?

A couple of more points I wanted to add...

Monty and Patronick are 100% correct, the commissioner of any sports league should be promoting his entire group and there should be the perception that any sports conference should hold its member schools on equal footing. For example during the 1990's and 2000's under the old NESN and CSN (when it was FSN) HE contracts, there used to be a clause in the contract that every Hockey East team (no matter how bad or good) were to get one game, and if possible, that game was to be at home. Hockey East had that leverage because NESN was a still a young network. When NESN took over the contract once again and was more powerful, this clause was eliminated as Merrimack failed to show up on NESN telecasts for many years.

I can't say that Patronick is off-base either because he's spot-on right about one thing. Hockey East teams are not treated on equal footing when it comes to one thing -- TV. In fairness, however, I don't know of any D-I conference where equal footing and TV games are synonymous. Vanderbilt came into my mind immediately so I did a bit of research. I know it's a different sport, but it is in the same context.

The bottom of Hockey East is analogous to the Mississippi State and Vanderbilt of the SEC in football. Historically, within the SEC, they have been in the middle to bottom of the pack and have a good year about once or twice a decade. CBS has a exclusive SEC package at 3:30 PM on Saturdays and have held that since 1998. According to Wikipedia, and I have no good reason to dispute this, Vanderbilt has appeared just four times on this premier package and hasn't had a game since 2001. Miss. State has not had a premier game since 2005. Why?? Because struggling teams don't sell ads or the sizzle.

Lowell is a small market, BC is a big market when it comes to college hockey. Sure, Lowell has a rabid and loyal fan base with people (including myself) that are boosters of the program. However, at the same time, I just can't get caught up scapegoating Bertagna because BC got yet another high-profile hockey game. After all, they have won two over the last four NC's. I'd be willing to wager that Bertagna wasn't the only one making the decision and in reality, probably had 0% input. In its simplest form, I bet the conversation when something like this

TV People: "This is who we want, these are the dates and times, this is the amount of money....take it or leave it"

Again, IMHO, when it comes to TV revenue, there is no such thing as equal footing.

Other than BC and BU, there are signs that Hockey East may be a lot more open for the taking over the next two to four years. Now is the time for Lowell to be like the Minn-Duluth of the world, a D-II school that proved to the ultimate level last year that it can play with the big boys and finally get those marquee matchups.

My $0.02
 
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Well said John. And look, I said I didn't like it ... that's all. I can understand why the decisions are made that way, but as a fan of a smaller school in the conference, I don't have to like it.
 
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