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UMaine Hockey 23 - 24: The Barr Crawl to Glory!!!

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First off, thanks to Runsub and 9twenty for the well wishes. I think I made a big jump last night, I feel much better today.

Regarding Berzins, I think he's an interesting case. His stats in the USHL this year are thoroughly unimpressive, and his team, while kind of mediocre, isn't terrible by any means. Compare this with fellow recruit Lucas Szyszka, who has worse stats but also plays on a much worse team, in fact Szyszka's team is the worst team in the entire USHL. They also have the most PIM by a longshot, with only one team even in their universe, so this implies to me that he spends a lot of time on the PK. However, Berzins did do well for Latvia at the WJC, as has been mentioned, and at least prior to this year he had been getting better each year that went on and was progressing in league as well. And of course, without actually watching him play, it's very hard to draw clear conclusions about his ability from stats alone, they can help of course but don't tell the whole story.

I also think both Berzins and Szyszka will be in Orono next year. I think Ostman will move on in the offseason, and I can't imagine Androlewicz will use his covid year when he hasn't played more than a few fleeting moments per year since he got here. A goalie room of Bojia, Berzins, and Szyszka could have a ton of depth but no clear #1, would be interesting. The only other path I see is a graduate transfer arriving, which would displace one of the two of them, probably Szyszka.
 
First off, thanks to Runsub and 9twenty for the well wishes. I think I made a big jump last night, I feel much better today.

Regarding Berzins, I think he's an interesting case. His stats in the USHL this year are thoroughly unimpressive, and his team, while kind of mediocre, isn't terrible by any means. Compare this with fellow recruit Lucas Szyszka, who has worse stats but also plays on a much worse team, in fact Szyszka's team is the worst team in the entire USHL. They also have the most PIM by a longshot, with only one team even in their universe, so this implies to me that he spends a lot of time on the PK. However, Berzins did do well for Latvia at the WJC, as has been mentioned, and at least prior to this year he had been getting better each year that went on and was progressing in league as well. And of course, without actually watching him play, it's very hard to draw clear conclusions about his ability from stats alone, they can help of course but don't tell the whole story.

I also think both Berzins and Szyszka will be in Orono next year. I think Ostman will move on in the offseason, and I can't imagine Androlewicz will use his covid year when he hasn't played more than a few fleeting moments per year since he got here. A goalie room of Bojia, Berzins, and Szyszka could have a ton of depth but no clear #1, would be interesting. The only other path I see is a graduate transfer arriving, which would displace one of the two of them, probably Szyszka.

Interesting none the less for 2024-25...but a transfer would not surprise me either..thx again for info on the goaltenders recruits.
 
BC sweeps BU. Maine 1-0-1 vs. BC. HE standings and PWR positioning is getting very interesting.

Seems like with the BC sweep Maine will have a tough time passing BU and BC in the pairwise rankings. Likely that solidified BC and BU top seeds staying east.
 
Seems like with the BC sweep Maine will have a tough time passing BU and BC in the pairwise rankings. Likely that solidified BC and BU top seeds staying east.

I could see the exact same setup as 2012 which obviously wouldn’t be ideal. Maine would probably be better off as a four seed instead of a two or three seed(which would be tough to get given how things are playing out this year.) I don’t think Maine’s remaining schedule is great as far as pairwise goes so could see them dropping a few spots.
 
Am I the only one not worried about their finish in HE ? I want success in NCAAs. Just keep winning, Maine can't do anything about what BC and BU do
 
Same here. Just make it to the Garden, which should cement a NCAA tourney spot. Any HE hardware is nice, but that is just the warmup for the big dance.
 
Am I the only one not worried about their finish in HE ? I want success in NCAAs. Just keep winning, Maine can't do anything about what BC and BU do

They kind of go hand in hand...especially this season. If Maine, BC and BU win the rest of their games.....they finish in a 3 way tie for 1st place in HE. All 3 are Top 5 in PWR. You can bet your bottom dollar that Maine's finish in HE will directly affect their seeding and therefore chances of advancing in the NCAA Tourney.
 
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Home ice in Hockey East playoffs could be big in getting to Boston...

I don’t think this is true in today’s world. Back when the quarterfinals were two out of three home ice definitely was a big advantage but where the quarterfinals are a one off I don’t think it makes a huge difference. Maine is almost certainly going to have to play UMA, Providence, UNH, or UConn in the quarters and I don’t think there is a ton between those teams.

I don’t see Maine getting to the garden doing much as far as pairwise goes. If Maine could get to the garden and beat BU or BC that definitely moves the needle, but not getting there and losing in the semis.
 
I don’t think this is true in today’s world. Back when the quarterfinals were two out of three home ice definitely was a big advantage but where the quarterfinals are a one off I don’t think it makes a huge difference. Maine is almost certainly going to have to play UMA, Providence, UNH, or UConn in the quarters and I don’t think there is a ton between those teams.

I don’t see Maine getting to the garden doing much as far as pairwise goes. If Maine could get to the garden and beat BU or BC that definitely moves the needle, but not getting there and losing in the semis.

home ice in the quarters as a 1, 2 or 3 seed means that Maine had a bye and did not play a game on Weds., three games prior to their home game like their opponent.

the away team should be a bit tired

home ice in the quarters as the 4 seed does mot have that same luxury (because 5 also has a Weds night bye)
 
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I don’t think this is true in today’s world. Back when the quarterfinals were two out of three home ice definitely was a big advantage but where the quarterfinals are a one off I don’t think it makes a huge difference. Maine is almost certainly going to have to play UMA, Providence, UNH, or UConn in the quarters and I don’t think there is a ton between those teams.

I don’t see Maine getting to the garden doing much as far as pairwise goes. If Maine could get to the garden and beat BU or BC that definitely moves the needle, but not getting there and losing in the semis.

I would rather be home in a one and done game then on the road...and if 1 thru 4...and win then it's all on each team to make or break there season in Boston...not so much for BU/BC @ this time...but for Maine wins are very important.
 
I don’t think this is true in today’s world. Back when the quarterfinals were two out of three home ice definitely was a big advantage but where the quarterfinals are a one off I don’t think it makes a huge difference. Maine is almost certainly going to have to play UMA, Providence, UNH, or UConn in the quarters and I don’t think there is a ton between those teams.

I don’t see Maine getting to the garden doing much as far as pairwise goes. If Maine could get to the garden and beat BU or BC that definitely moves the needle, but not getting there and losing in the semis.

Drew....lol. Home ice is not important in the playoffs? You think that Maine has as good a chance of winning in Durham, Storrs, Amherst or Providence....as they do at Alfond? You think that Maine losing in the quarters vs. winning in the quarters isn't going to affect PWR? You are a total tool.
 
Drew....lol. Home ice is not important in the playoffs? You think that Maine has as good a chance of winning in Durham, Storrs, Amherst or Providence....as they do at Alfond? You think that Maine losing in the quarters vs. winning in the quarters isn't going to affect PWR? You are a total tool.

Yes. It is very important. Whomever draws Maine in Orono is not going to feel good about it.
 
Drew....lol. Home ice is not important in the playoffs? You think that Maine has as good a chance of winning in Durham, Storrs, Amherst or Providence....as they do at Alfond? You think that Maine losing in the quarters vs. winning in the quarters isn't going to affect PWR? You are a total tool.

take a breath, man. He is saying he thinks home ice is not a HUGE advantage in a single elimination quarterfinal…but would be huge in a best of 3 series. I imagine he is correct that home teams have a much better chance of moving on in a best of 3.

He never said that Maine had a better chance at any of those rinks than at Alfond. If you have to put words in his mouth to “win”, then…well you finish the sentence.

last. He’s pretty knowledgable re: pairwise. You can play with the pairwise predictor and see what happens with a quarterfinal loss compared to a semifinal loss…all he’s saying is there’s not much difference(…that isn’t to say that moving from 15 to 14 would not be possible with the semifinal loss.)

it might be good to read and comprehend before calling someone a tool
 
take a breath, man. He is saying he thinks home ice is not a HUGE advantage in a single elimination quarterfinal…but would be huge in a best of 3 series. I imagine he is correct that home teams have a much better chance of moving on in a best of 3.

He never said that Maine had a better chance at any of those rinks than at Alfond. If you have to put words in his mouth to “win”, then…well you finish the sentence.

last. He’s pretty knowledgable re: pairwise. You can play with the pairwise predictor and see what happens with a quarterfinal loss compared to a semifinal loss…all he’s saying is there’s not much difference(…that isn’t to say that moving from 15 to 14 would not be possible with the semifinal loss.)

it might be good to read and comprehend before calling someone a tool

Yep. I will never defend Drew's love affair with Red, but I won't let it interfere with what he's actually saying on other matters.

I'm with KIA (and Drew) here. Drew didn't say the home team doesn't have an advantage. But I'd agree with what I heard him say - that if the home teams win, say, 55% of one game playoffs, they would win 60+% of 3-game series. So, less of an advantage in one-game playoffs.

AND, I'm not a wicked math dork, but that is all PWR/RPI are. And I'll defer to someone who understands it better, and has played with the possibilities more. But if Maine makes it to the Garden, losing in one game versus another will have a negligible effect on the math rankings.
 
Sure then.....Drew is correct about everything. Don't do any whining when/if Maine loses though...Drew says it shouldn't make that much of a difference.
 
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