Those numbers are ****ing. Thats some Rex Ryan type BS lack of discipline and it reflects on Red
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UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
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Those numbers are ****ing. Thats some Rex Ryan type BS lack of discipline and it reflects on Red
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
Well, Maine doesn't have to "tank" to make your point... Maine just got 3 points against another team which is actually worse than it is.
Good God, people, the Red era has lowered the bar to the point where flirting with .500 has us all excited..? Not me!
This program is face-down in the mud. No chance at all of getting an NCAA bid.
Where, exactly, is that bar?
Unless a complete tanking occurs from here on out no it is not his last stand. He will have shown the team is going in the right direction. Then comes the discussion of the extension which will surely come with plenty of typical maine fan commentary
Well, Maine doesn't have to "tank" to make your point... Maine just got 3 points against another team which is actually worse than it is.
Good God, people, the Red era has lowered the bar to the point where flirting with .500 has us all excited..? Not me!
This program is face-down in the mud. No chance at all of getting an NCAA bid.
Where, exactly, is that bar?
Is yours perpetually set at 42-1-2?
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
After the last 6 or 7 seasons I don't think you have to go back to 42-1-2. Maine would have lost in OT friday night if it wasn't for Swayman. He is the biggest difference in this years team. Vermont got a couple of great chances and if they had scored all this talk about how much they have improved would not be happening. Vermont is almost as bad as last years Maine team, I won't put them that bad as their goalie is a gamer.
After the last 6 or 7 seasons I don't think you have to go back to 42-1-2. Maine would have lost in OT friday night if it wasn't for Swayman. He is the biggest difference in this years team. Vermont got a couple of great chances and if they had scored all this talk about how much they have improved would not be happening. Vermont is almost as bad as last years Maine team, I won't put them that bad as their goalie is a gamer.
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
As always we have to keep things very very very simple for you and avoid any concepts beyond the most basic logic. Last place = Fired. Middle of the pack = Improvement. National Champs = Everybody's goal.
As always we have to keep things very very very simple for you and avoid any concepts beyond the most basic logic. Last place = Fired. Middle of the pack = Improvement. National Champs = Everybody's goal.
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
Swayman and team depth. Also if not for Lekkas Friday night Maine would of had a 6 goal lead going into the third. On a different note I will be glad when Lekkas and Tirone graduate. For some reason those two play like they are the second coming of Patty Roy and Marty Brodeur when Maine sweaters are on the ice.
Swayman and team depth. Also if not for Lekkas Friday night Maine would of had a 6 goal lead going into the third. On a different note I will be glad when Lekkas and Tirone graduate. For some reason those two play like they are the second coming of Patty Roy and Marty Brodeur when Maine sweaters are on the ice.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
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Nobody in their right mind would have Maine in national tournament as a realistic goal this season. Home ice in HE playoffs is realistic
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AMC
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
I'm so bored with it all I didn't even set a goal for the season. I'd be happy if they improved. I don't know what it would take for me to do more than log on and check the scores the morning after a game though.
I'm so bored with it all I didn't even set a goal for the season. I'd be happy if they improved. I don't know what it would take for me to do more than log on and check the scores the morning after a game though.
NorthMike
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
Completely agree with all three. Swayman is the real deal and will help immensely and get better.
Also agree, the dismantling of the fan experience is now nearly complete.
With the hockey quality on the ice tickets are too expensive, drop them to 10$/25$ and the alfond will be more full, with the same revenue.
I see the AD at the games and he seems very uninterested in the game itself and not connected to the fans and the whole game experience, and leaves early. This is a bit revealing. However, there is some engagement with fans from others in the hockey office that might help over time.
My recent Red analysis is as follows:
Its clear that overall the team is still too light on talent to get anywhere, the freshmen and soph classes have definitely improved that situation. Red can only do so much with the talent in hand. If the next few years continue to bring in comparable talent the team will be in a much better position competitively. I sit here and think that we haven't seen what Red can do with the needed talent level, he is proving to be able to bring in the players. Does this justify further contract years? No not only by this metric.
There are definitely perceived negatives with how Red coaches, most notably the record, much of this is due to the talent level.
As far as replacing Red goes, I'm not in favor of just replacing for the sake of replacing and hoping a better coach can be hired. Who at the Univ knows hockey, other than the coaches, who would be able to go out and get a better coach, within the pay scale? Probably no one! Not the AD for sure nor anyone in the hockey office. Surely not the Univ hiring committee. I've been critical of Red and not sure at all he is the best coach for Maine, but barring a complete melt down this year I'm willing to see Red finish his contract period next year, then see if that warrants another one year extension. No multi year contract extensions unless things turn successful and then that decision becomes easier.
On the flip side, delaying replacement a year or two just puts off the inevitable need for action from an AD/office incapable of identifying and recruiting a coach who can pull this together.
Completely agree with all three. Swayman is the real deal and will help immensely and get better.
Also agree, the dismantling of the fan experience is now nearly complete.
With the hockey quality on the ice tickets are too expensive, drop them to 10$/25$ and the alfond will be more full, with the same revenue.
I see the AD at the games and he seems very uninterested in the game itself and not connected to the fans and the whole game experience, and leaves early. This is a bit revealing. However, there is some engagement with fans from others in the hockey office that might help over time.
My recent Red analysis is as follows:
Its clear that overall the team is still too light on talent to get anywhere, the freshmen and soph classes have definitely improved that situation. Red can only do so much with the talent in hand. If the next few years continue to bring in comparable talent the team will be in a much better position competitively. I sit here and think that we haven't seen what Red can do with the needed talent level, he is proving to be able to bring in the players. Does this justify further contract years? No not only by this metric.
There are definitely perceived negatives with how Red coaches, most notably the record, much of this is due to the talent level.
As far as replacing Red goes, I'm not in favor of just replacing for the sake of replacing and hoping a better coach can be hired. Who at the Univ knows hockey, other than the coaches, who would be able to go out and get a better coach, within the pay scale? Probably no one! Not the AD for sure nor anyone in the hockey office. Surely not the Univ hiring committee. I've been critical of Red and not sure at all he is the best coach for Maine, but barring a complete melt down this year I'm willing to see Red finish his contract period next year, then see if that warrants another one year extension. No multi year contract extensions unless things turn successful and then that decision becomes easier.
On the flip side, delaying replacement a year or two just puts off the inevitable need for action from an AD/office incapable of identifying and recruiting a coach who can pull this together.
BlackBearFan19
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but the next 8 games are on the road. Not sure who thought that was a good idea. Qunnipiac looks vulnerable right now so I think we realistically can expect a split. Rensselaer should be another split at minimum. The next stretch is BU, Brown and Northeastern twice. Maybe 1-1-2 is realistic for that stretch. Ultimately, if they can get to .500 or stay one game under, I would consider it a massive success considering how we've been on the road the past few years. Only 3 of them are hockey east games and think we can all agree that is where we want to see improvement. Good win last night, they put together a good weekend, minus the penalties that cost us on Friday. Team is definitely trending up and will be underestimated by their opponents.
Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but the next 8 games are on the road. Not sure who thought that was a good idea. Qunnipiac looks vulnerable right now so I think we realistically can expect a split. Rensselaer should be another split at minimum. The next stretch is BU, Brown and Northeastern twice. Maybe 1-1-2 is realistic for that stretch. Ultimately, if they can get to .500 or stay one game under, I would consider it a massive success considering how we've been on the road the past few years. Only 3 of them are hockey east games and think we can all agree that is where we want to see improvement. Good win last night, they put together a good weekend, minus the penalties that cost us on Friday. Team is definitely trending up and will be underestimated by their opponents.
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
Have you seen crowds at the Alfond lately? If Maine played a game there during winter break the place would be completely empty. Where Maine is so far away from other teams I think it works out good if they can do a bunch of away trips when school isn't in session.
Have you seen crowds at the Alfond lately? If Maine played a game there during winter break the place would be completely empty. Where Maine is so far away from other teams I think it works out good if they can do a bunch of away trips when school isn't in session.
BlackBearFan19
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
You're defintely not wrong, only missed the UConn games so far and the Alfond has been a depressing place for anyone who knows what it used to be like. The students really have not shown up this year besides the BU game. Yesterday was pretty full everywhere besides the balcony. Really hoping they can figure out the road woes this year. Have to roll with Swayman while he's hot. He's been awesome and McGovern has never really been any good. They haven't dug a hole in hockey east which is refreshing to see. Hopefully they can figure out the back end of the lineup in the Non-conference games. I thought Housakos looked real good this weekend. Would eventually like to see Tiuraniemi replace Muehlbauer on the defense. The team has been encouraging at times but still makes some boneheaded mistakes as is expected with young teams.
You're defintely not wrong, only missed the UConn games so far and the Alfond has been a depressing place for anyone who knows what it used to be like. The students really have not shown up this year besides the BU game. Yesterday was pretty full everywhere besides the balcony. Really hoping they can figure out the road woes this year. Have to roll with Swayman while he's hot. He's been awesome and McGovern has never really been any good. They haven't dug a hole in hockey east which is refreshing to see. Hopefully they can figure out the back end of the lineup in the Non-conference games. I thought Housakos looked real good this weekend. Would eventually like to see Tiuraniemi replace Muehlbauer on the defense. The team has been encouraging at times but still makes some boneheaded mistakes as is expected with young teams.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
I'll ignore your insult and apologize for the rant, anyway. I don't enjoy being negative regarding my Bears, believe me.
Thing is, I set the bar higher than what you describe. While "middle-of-the-pack" would constitute a quantum-leap over last year's abysmal team (one of the worst in Maine's history) what I see this season is a sub-mediocre squad that has played a lousy SOS and still hasn't gotten it's head above water. And, Maine is composed of 100% Gendron recruits... That, from my perspective, is his only glaring shortcoming, but a fatal one: college hockey is pretty-much all about recruiting.
If this team is even within a country mile of the NCAAs anytime either this season or next, I'll be both shocked and delighted. But, for the love of Mike, Maine should not extend Red unless they are. He's been an abject failure so far.
I'll ignore your insult and apologize for the rant, anyway. I don't enjoy being negative regarding my Bears, believe me.
Thing is, I set the bar higher than what you describe. While "middle-of-the-pack" would constitute a quantum-leap over last year's abysmal team (one of the worst in Maine's history) what I see this season is a sub-mediocre squad that has played a lousy SOS and still hasn't gotten it's head above water. And, Maine is composed of 100% Gendron recruits... That, from my perspective, is his only glaring shortcoming, but a fatal one: college hockey is pretty-much all about recruiting.
If this team is even within a country mile of the NCAAs anytime either this season or next, I'll be both shocked and delighted. But, for the love of Mike, Maine should not extend Red unless they are. He's been an abject failure so far.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
NCAAs aren't a realistic thought, you saw how bad this team was last year. I agree its all on Red, he hasn't done the job very well
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
The only hope I have -and I despise tournaments AQ's getting bids- is that Maine can ride Swayman into one.
(I'm not smoking anything at the moment, JSYK, but Hockey East is pretty bad this year, and anything can happen in those silly little PS side-shows.)
The only hope I have -and I despise tournaments AQ's getting bids- is that Maine can ride Swayman into one.
(I'm not smoking anything at the moment, JSYK, but Hockey East is pretty bad this year, and anything can happen in those silly little PS side-shows.)
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
Do you mean that HE isn't bad enough for Maine to possibly have a prayer to squeak through the tournament..?
Yeah, you're probably right. :/
Do you mean that HE isn't bad enough for Maine to possibly have a prayer to squeak through the tournament..?
Yeah, you're probably right. :/
tylerzx2002
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?
Well said Wally, it wouldn't shock me to see this team ride Swayman into home-ice for the playoffs.
My biggest takeaway from the weekend was just how terrible this team is on the penalty kill. There were stretches in both games where Maine absolutely dominated the entire sheet and then an unnecessary penalty and Vermont was on the scoreboard. Frustrating to watch at times and that undisciplined play cost the team a point Friday night. I know someone posted that Maine ranks dead last in PK % (69.1%) and that's unacceptable.
Westerlund hasn't found himself on the scoresheet a lot during the first 11 games (2 G, 3 A), but he was a two way machine creating turnovers both nights. Great to see!
Well said Wally, it wouldn't shock me to see this team ride Swayman into home-ice for the playoffs.
My biggest takeaway from the weekend was just how terrible this team is on the penalty kill. There were stretches in both games where Maine absolutely dominated the entire sheet and then an unnecessary penalty and Vermont was on the scoreboard. Frustrating to watch at times and that undisciplined play cost the team a point Friday night. I know someone posted that Maine ranks dead last in PK % (69.1%) and that's unacceptable.
Westerlund hasn't found himself on the scoresheet a lot during the first 11 games (2 G, 3 A), but he was a two way machine creating turnovers both nights. Great to see!
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