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UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

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Using York as the gold standard in the same period he is 154-68-22, got the jump in the other 2 in the first year by going 33-10-1 and was already established in his job

Regarding recruiting at UML someone on some other thread made an excellent point. It’s a myth that Bazin gets underrated players, he indeed recruits top players he just fishes ponds many others bypass. Also the last kid they got, Meehan, shows the inroads they have made locally (also this is similar to NU—another team that now appears to have put Maine in their rear view mirror)

On PC. Inherited a talented team? Well that finally explains some things like why they had to play 2 defensemen at forward that first year, why they would push out one of their distinguished alumni as coach so he could not enjoy the coming success, and what a talented team those 2 last place and that next to last team the previous 3 years really were.

As far as post championship success. First year #1 seed and share of regular season Hockey East title, second year 20+ wins with 8 freshmen as regulars just 2 points out of another share of title plus NCAA bid

Would also think last teams fan to question Leaman’s success would be Maine as they have beaten Leaman’s team twice in his time at PC. The first 2 games they played (Leaman’s 4th and 5th games at PC I believe) since then Maine is winless in 14 straight (13-0-1)

I agree it will take a young hard driving young assistant to drive this program forward. Possibly convincing coaches with Hockey East connections (Barr 46 10 years assistant, Ellsworth 47 7 years college assistant 2 at USHL, Mayotte 44 6 year assistant). Trouble is now a days no head coach experience is looked as a draw back. Last spring The better openings went to experienced head coaches pulled away from other programs. Both Barr and Ellsworth didn’t get the job at their Alma mater.

Which leads to the point if you aren’t going to invest in your program you aren’t going to succeed like you possibly could years ago. College Hockey has changed drastically since Walsh passed away this is big time college sports now—both UML and PC invested in their programs. If The hot assistant starts to turn the program around unless you keep upping the pay he will quickly depart

In fact what do you think the chance that if Walsh lived he’d still be in Maine assuming all other things like economy and administrators, both college president and AD were what Whitehead/Gendron have had to face. Could Maine hold on to him if he sensed things out of his control were trending down if the NHL came calling or say, I Believe it was 2010-11, when Mich State hired their previous coach, had come calling for Walsh instead.
Very interesting, I think the guy to watch for a Div.1 Head Coaching job is Cam Ellsworth...thinking his time has come and very surprised he didn't get hired at Michigan Tech this year. As far as Walsh, I'll throw another spot in, Notre Dame most likely would have been knocking at his door to go along with Michigan State. The NHL would have also. And had the "U" trended in the direction it has to date...most likely Walsh would have had to look in all the possible directions, but then we shall never know.
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

Exactly. Nothing overrated about those programs. Both were absolute dumpster fires when they took over.

As an outsider, Maine doesn't need a Red Gendron. Maine needs a young coach.
+1
 
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What are people thinking as far as this weekend goes? I'm going 5-3 Maine tonight and 4-1 Miami tomorrow. I think a split suits both teams.

It would be nice to see Maine get a few goals this weekend on tips or rebounds. All of the goals against UConn came on clean shots.
 
What are people thinking as far as this weekend goes? I'm going 5-3 Maine tonight and 4-1 Miami tomorrow. I think a split suits both teams.

It would be nice to see Maine get a few goals this weekend on tips or rebounds. All of the goals against UConn came on clean shots.

Miami has been the better team the last 7 years or so, better coach. Last year their speed and quickness maintained offensive pressure. Maine couldnt hold them at the boards at all. I wouldnt be surprised to see a miami sweep, honestly.

But I think maine will pull off one win due to effort.
 
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On PC. Inherited a talented team? Well that finally explains some things like why they had to play 2 defensemen at forward that first year, why they would push out one of their distinguished alumni as coach so he could not enjoy the coming success, and what a talented team those 2 last place and that next to last team the previous 3 years really were.

As far as post championship success. First year #1 seed and share of regular season Hockey East title, second year 20+ wins with 8 freshmen as regulars just 2 points out of another share of title plus NCAA bid

Would also think last teams fan to question Leaman’s success would be Maine as they have beaten Leaman’s team twice in his time at PC. The first 2 games they played (Leaman’s 4th and 5th games at PC I believe) since then Maine is winless in 14 straight (13-0-1)

If Leaman is getting dinged because he was winning with Tim Army's teams (which is bonkers, he won it all in year 4), he should get equal credit for Stan Bennett's first three years at Union.

I'd fall all over myself for Leaman or Bazin, trying to shine up Red to match, or besmirch either UML or PC, is ridiculous. Maine sucks, Red is the coach of the team, those are the facts. UML and PC are where we can only dream of someday being.

As far as this weekend? 0-2.
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

What are people thinking as far as this weekend goes? I'm going 5-3 Maine tonight and 4-1 Miami tomorrow. I think a split suits both teams.

It would be nice to see Maine get a few goals this weekend on tips or rebounds. All of the goals against UConn came on clean shots.

Both teams are in rebuilding mode and will sport a large sophomore and freshman contingent. Maine will have to keep Belpedio and Hutton in check, both are offensively active blueliners. Miami thrives off puck possession where they like to keep the pressure on opposing defenses and pounce on mistakes and penalties. Miami will test Maine on the PP especially from the blueline. Miami has young talent up front and is strong in the face off circle. Broken record now, but Maine will need to win the puck possession game, stay out of the box, and be strong in net. In two games so far Maine has shown to have much improved ability to possess the puck this year compared to last season. Now with 3 weeks of team practice together it will be interesting to see how Maine has come together and where injury situation are. I'm going split but wouldn't be surprised with a tie either night.
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

If Leaman is getting dinged because he was winning with Tim Army's teams (which is bonkers, he won it all in year 4), he should get equal credit for Stan Bennett's first three years at Union.

I'd fall all over myself for Leaman or Bazin, trying to shine up Red to match, or besmirch either UML or PC, is ridiculous. Maine sucks, Red is the coach of the team, those are the facts. UML and PC are where we can only dream of someday being.

As far as this weekend? 0-2.

+1 except for this weekends picks, Maine wins tonight. Saying Bazin or Leaman shouldn't get full credit for their teams success is a joke
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

Halfway through first. New lines. Nothing working.
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

Not pretty. Only saving grace is not down by 5 or 6. Rob out of position and can't control rebounds. No help in front of him in any form.
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

Going by Muelbauer every time.
They need holway
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

Pathetic period by Maine. Awful, sloppy passes, McGovern got beat like a rented mule by Green on the second goal, but other than that he really hasn't been that bad. They tried to be way too cute with passing, especially on the power play. Also have been lifeless at the faceoff dot. They were trying to make a hard play happen rather than just putting pucks on net. One of the worst periods I've seen in a while.
 
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Cant clear defensive zone, score, and so it goes. Guess they didnt work on that this week.
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

My feed was lousy, but I think it's a final...

My takeaway is pretty-much exactly what it's been for years now: the Red era is an utter disaster.

Thinking that my over/under prediction of 10 wins was fueled by Gritty's Black Fly stout... I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Maine goes 8 and something, or worse.

Let's all sign a petition to hire Timmy back. At least he flirted with the postseason, even during his worst years. Red couldn't recruit so much as a ham sandwich if his life depended on it.
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

My feed was lousy, but I think it's a final...

My takeaway is pretty-much exactly what it's been for years now: the Red era is an utter disaster.

Thinking that my over/under prediction of 10 wins was fueled by Gritty's Black Fly stout... I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Maine goes 8 and something, or worse.

Let's all sign a petition to hire Timmy back. At least he flirted with the postseason, even during his worst years. Red couldn't recruit so much as a ham sandwich if his life depended on it.

Tim probably wasn't too pleased when he was fired, but I'm guessing he's pleased to be out of Orono now. He is recruiting now and winning championships.
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

Red appears to be done, they can't let him be lame duck and he can't build a program. Speed kills and Maine is stuck in cement. I had high hopes when he was hired, those have been dashed for years but I was hoping......
 
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Tim probably wasn't too pleased when he was fired, but I'm guessing he's pleased to be out of Orono now. He is recruiting now and winning championships.

Tim is right where he belongs.
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

Tim is right where he belongs.

You may be right. I think he will be recruited to coach a college team at some point and if it's the right fit he just may accept it.
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

You may be right. I think he will be recruited to coach a college team at some point and if it's the right fit he just may accept it.
Division 1? I doubt it

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Division 1? I doubt it

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Red got a D-1 job for mysterious reasons, and an inexplicable extension, FCS...

Timmy was/is a much better head coach. I'd take him back on the cheap, but he wouldn't do that. Red has taken Maine to rock-bottom, and only a young and starving coach would want that job.

Field hockey, anyone? :p
 
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

I'm shocked Maine is playing this horrible defensively and on the PK. I thought they might have trouble scoring, but that isn't the issue so far. Hopefully they can sort things out. I was impressed with Pieper tonight. Maine needs to get Holway and Holesinsky back as soon as possible.
 
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