UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

Former Maine goaltender Sean Romeo is 1-1-1 for Ohio State, GAA @ 1.95 and Save % @ .913

 

[walrus]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

North Carolina basketball can commit academic fraud and the NCAA will still look the other way. If you generate cash the rules don't matter.

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[Ma#1ne Hky]

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Red really only has two classes of his own so its not surprising he hasn't put any guys in the NHL. I think Michel and Pearson definitely make it though. There are some other guys who have a shot. Is guys in the NHL really a good way of measuring how good recruiting is? If you look at Maine between '99 and '07 there wasn't a ton of NHL talent and those teams were all very good. I'll take a team of Peter Metcalfs and Colin Shields any time.

We'll agree to disagree on Maine's future. I really hope you are wrong though!

What it come's down to is Gendron has to produce, no more excuses in what he has for recruits, his job is to recruit along what he has on his present roster and that also means his Assistants Guite/Michuad and the four years before with Leach have to be held accountable also. You deal with what you have and move forward, for an example when Bazin and Leaman took over @ UML & PC they had some talent but they hit the ground and did there jobs in recruiting and since they have been there both have produce...period. It's time for Gendron and Staff to move forward....we all bleed for this program...at times it may sound or seem negative but it's in how you look at it. NOBODY wants to see it fail.

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

north carolina basketball can commit academic fraud and the ncaa will still look the other way. If you generate cash the rules don't matter.

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$$$$$ = nc$$....and hockey is a after thought while the big $$$$$$ controls the NCAA/as in Basketball and Football.

 

[walrus]

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At least Maine football beats the teams they should.

 

[walrus]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

BTW, Scared Heart beat UConn

 

[Drew S.]

BTW, Scared Heart beat UConn

Among other bad results for Hockey East. As I said prior to the season, Hockey East is going to be awful this year. It's one of the things that gives me a lot of hope for Maine.

 

[J.D.]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

You say that every year and are usually wrong. But yes this year it could actually be true.

 

[Drew S.]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

You say that every year and are usually wrong. But yes this year it could actually be true.

I don't think there is much doubt the league has declined a lot over the last 10 years. Mass used to produce a lot of kids and just doesn't anymore. I've seen Jeff Cox post on twitter that it just costs way too much around here and it discourages a lot of kids. I don't know that from personal experience but it would make a lot of sense. I wonder if the USHL being in NCHC/Big 10 territory gives them a big advantage as well.

Don't you think BC has declined quite a bit over the last six or seven years? How many guys from this year's team get in say the 2010 team? I can't imagine it would be more than four or five.

 

[Fishman'81]

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I don't think there is much doubt the league has declined a lot over the last 10 years. Mass used to produce a lot of kids and just doesn't anymore. I've seen Jeff Cox post on twitter that it just costs way too much around here and it discourages a lot of kids. I don't know that from personal experience but it would make a lot of sense. I wonder if the USHL being in NCHC/Big 10 territory gives them a big advantage as well.

Don't you think BC has declined quite a bit over the last six or seven years? How many guys from this year's team get in say the 2010 team? I can't imagine it would be more than four or five.

Didn't HEA have four teams in the NCAA's last year? I don't remember the actual number, but this league is still relevant.

Having said that, we're looking forward to see Maine football and field hockey this coming weekend. I'm all about going Blue, and those programs are still alive.

Hockey might be, too... Is any program "elite" anymore?

( Still, I just don't see any chance. This is Red's team, as was the last one, and it looks pretty bad. I never thought I'd miss Timmy, but I do, lately. )

 

[walrus]

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Didn't HEA have four teams in the NCAA's last year? I don't remember the actual number, but this league is still relevant.

Having said that, we're looking forward to see Maine football and field hockey this coming weekend. I'm all about going Blue, and those programs are still alive.

Hockey might be, too... Is any program "elite" anymore?

( Still, I just don't see any chance. This is Red's team, as was the last one, and it looks pretty bad. I never thought I'd miss Timmy, but I do, lately. )

I don't miss Timmy. He did well with Grant, after that not so much.

Is Miami any Good? hope to be there Friday. 2 weeks to prepare

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[tylerzx2002]

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Is any program "elite" anymore?

Sadly, I think we all know the answer to this question...

 

[AMC]

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I don't miss Timmy. He did well with Grant, after that not so much.

My nuanced take on Whitehead:

1.) The decline and fall of Maine hockey was going to happen regardless, due to economic and demographic factors well outside his control.
2.) Despite that, he probably needed to go to confirm that he wasn't the issue.

Shawn Walsh was a once per generation coach. Maine came on the scene at the right time to be able to spend gobs of money on having top notch facilities and budgets as compared to the rest of college hockey.

Unfortunately, Shawn's death coincided with the time when bigger and/or richer schools got more interested in hockey and started spending more money on it, and a decline in the fortunes of Eastern and Central Maine as a whole, which reduced Maine's ability to keep up with the Joneses on all the off ice stuff.

Without one of the 3 or so best coaches in the game, Maine hockey was always going to turn into the sick old man of Hockey East. Still, it was worth seeing if a coaching change would inject some life into the program. Whitehead had long enough to show he couldn't turn it around. Whether Red was the right hire, I don't know.

Looking back on it, the run of national championships by LSSU, Northern Michigan and Maine was absolutely bonkers.

 

[DLG]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

I don't think there is much doubt the league has declined a lot over the last 10 years. Mass used to produce a lot of kids and just doesn't anymore. I've seen Jeff Cox post on twitter that it just costs way too much around here and it discourages a lot of kids. I don't know that from personal experience but it would make a lot of sense. I wonder if the USHL being in NCHC/Big 10 territory gives them a big advantage as well.

Don't you think BC has declined quite a bit over the last six or seven years? How many guys from this year's team get in say the 2010 team? I can't imagine it would be more than four or five.

This is a situation that could get worse in years to come
The Big Ten (own network) and NCHC (cbs sports) have national TV contracts
Hockey east will only have its tournament on national TV
League has failed to get a contract after ASN thankfully went out of business

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

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I don't miss Timmy. He did well with Grant, after that not so much.

Is Miami any Good? hope to be there Friday. 2 weeks to prepare

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Miami/Ohio is 0-2-0 to date, they lost two games to Providence last weekend by the scores of 3-1, 2-1 and this weekend they played the US Development Team and won 7-5.

 

[BoSox3066]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

My nuanced take on Whitehead:

1.) The decline and fall of Maine hockey was going to happen regardless, due to economic and demographic factors well outside his control.
2.) Despite that, he probably needed to go to confirm that he wasn't the issue.

Shawn Walsh was a once per generation coach. Maine came on the scene at the right time to be able to spend gobs of money on having top notch facilities and budgets as compared to the rest of college hockey.

Unfortunately, Shawn's death coincided with the time when bigger and/or richer schools got more interested in hockey and started spending more money on it, and a decline in the fortunes of Eastern and Central Maine as a whole, which reduced Maine's ability to keep up with the Joneses on all the off ice stuff.

Without one of the 3 or so best coaches in the game, Maine hockey was always going to turn into the sick old man of Hockey East. Still, it was worth seeing if a coaching change would inject some life into the program. Whitehead had long enough to show he couldn't turn it around. Whether Red was the right hire, I don't know.

Looking back on it, the run of national championships by LSSU, Northern Michigan and Maine was absolutely bonkers.

Tim was no longer the guy. Lost the room multiple times. Couldn't coach defense, couldn't get a team to play disciplined and hold a lead. Recruited talent and then under achieved with it. No NCAA games for Nyquist? Fireable offense if ever there was one.

Doesn't mean Red's not worse.

 

[NorthMike]

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And now we have Red, and a hockey office (AD) trying to gimmick it up, beach night friday. I think ill just wear a speedo to the game.

 

[Fishman'81]

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And now we have Red, and a hockey office (AD) trying to gimmick it up, beach night friday. I think ill just wear a speedo to the game.

Well, hope you do it, but I can't imagine that you'll improve attendance much.

 

[Fishman'81]

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Tim was no longer the guy. Lost the room multiple times. Couldn't coach defense, couldn't get a team to play disciplined and hold a lead. Recruited talent and then under achieved with it. No NCAA games for Nyquist? Fireable offense if ever there was one.

Doesn't mean Red's not worse.

Red is worse. Demonstrably.

I was among the last Maine fan on here to call for Timmy's head, but I did it toward the end of his tenure, and at the top of my lungs...

"Be careful what you wish for" was my takeaway from that. Red has recruited guys who'd barely be 3rd- or 4th-liners, even on Tim's worst teams. (And didn't Gus get a one and done v. MSU?)

 

[ticapnews]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2017-2018 season, is this Reds last stand?

Red is worse. Demonstrably.

I was among the last Maine fan on here to call for Timmy's head, but I did it toward the end of his tenure, and at the top of my lungs...

"Be careful what you wish for" was my takeaway from that. Red has recruited guys who'd barely be 3rd- or 4th-liners, even on Tim's worst teams. (And didn't Gus get a one and done v. MSU?)

Maine made the tournament the year after Gus left. They lost to Duluth in the first round in 2012.

Ironically, it was his missed empty net at UHN that cost Maine a spot in the tournament his junior season.