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UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

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But see its not going to, he has a 3 year contract worth close to a 1/2 million dollars or more. Its not wins or losses at this point its a contract that's a public relations nightmare. So thinking 0-15 is going to do something at this point in the season is just plain wrong

Cindy had two years left, but her contract had a buy out clause that allowed the University to pay her one year salary to buy out the remaining two years. Who knows what is in Timmay's contract, but we can all hope that buried in the fine print there was some kind of buy out clause that would give the U a way out without having to pay the entire contract.
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Cindy had two years left, but her contract had a buy out clause that allowed the University to pay her one year salary to buy out the remaining two years. Who knows what is in Timmay's contract, but we can all hope that buried in the fine print there was some kind of buy out clause that would give the U a way out without having to pay the entire contract.

I've heard a couple places that Timmay's contract has a buy-out clause after this year. Expect it to be exercised.
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

I can see why you don't understand why people blame TW. You seem to think we have an awesome program and its thriving.

We have gone from being a top team year in, year out to a middle of a pack team with no end in sight. How is that thriving? It looks more like a slow death.

Don't feed the troll.
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

I'm not sure if this had anything to do with it or not, but his brother died right before he came to Maine in an incident similar to what happened in Haverhill yesterday. An announcer mentioned during one of the games they were thinking of red-shirting him and Norman so maybe that is why he went to junior A. I hope everything works out for him and he comes back at some point. Reading his bio it sounds like he's a wonderful athlete and needs game action which he'll get with Pembroke.

Norman has been red-shirted.
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Norman has been red-shirted.

Wow in other years players were asked not to come back instead of being redshirted or get sr....wed by playing one official game and then get bounced to go on to play D3, go to major junior, or sit out as year and get re-instated.

I guess by being redshirted Norman is free to go where he pleases to another D1 team something that TW never did in the past

Just shows that there is no significant depth of recruits lining up to join this program..........
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Wow in other years players were asked not to come back instead of being redshirted or get sr....wed by playing one official game and then get bounced to go on to play D3, go to major junior, or sit out as year and get re-instated.

I guess by being redshirted Norman is free to go where he pleases to another D1 team something that TW never did in the past

Just shows that there is no significant depth of recruits lining up to join this program..........

"But if Purcell and Sweetland and Bishop and Nyquist hadn't left early..."
 
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Problems with secondary recruiting make Maine middle-of-the-pack team
By Larry Mahoney, BDN Staff
Posted Dec. 19, 2011, at 6:37 p.m.

At around 10:00 on the night of Jan. 28, 2012, we will know exactly what the stretch run for the University of Maine’s men’s hockey team will be comprised of.

We will know whether the Black Bears will still be in the hunt for third or fourth place or looking at fifth-through-ninth.

Vermont’s last-place Catamounts, with just three points in 11 league games, appear doomed unless they can make a dramatic turnaround.

So what have we learned about this 6-7-2 Maine team (5-6-1 in Hockey East) so far?

The Black Bears are a middle-of-the-pack team.

They are overmatched against Boston College and were clearly inferior to Boston University. However, Boston University has since lost one of the nation’s leading goal scorers, Corey Trivino, who was arrested for an alleged sexual assault, along with first-round NHL draft choice and Hockey East Rookie of the Year Charlie Coyle, who left school to concentrate solely on hockey.

Maine can compete with the other seven teams in the league, including Merrimack, and it should be more competitive with BU now.

Maine has one of the nation’s premier lines in seniors Spencer Abbott and Brian Flynn and junior Joey Diamond. Each of them is ranked in the top 10 in the nation in at least one offensive category.

They have accounted for 25 of Maine’s 46 goals and 17 of the 28 even-strength goals.

But that means Maine has received only 11 even-strength goals from the rest of the team.

That isn’t good enough if the Bears have any aspirations of finishing in the top four in Hockey East.

At the root of the problem is Maine’s secondary recruiting.

The coaching staff has recruited diligently and the program wouldn’t be mired in its current dilemma, with no NCAA Tournament appearances in four years, if players who verbally committed had honored their commitment.

But when they lost players to Major Junior Hockey League teams, such as first-round NHL draft pick and 34-goal scorer Austin Watson (Peterborough, Ontario Hockey League last year), Darcy Ashley (39 points for Halifax in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League) and defenseman Kevin Gagne (32 points for Saint John, QMJHL), they weren’t able to secure players with comparable skill sets to supply supplemental scoring.

It is a problem all college programs face these days.

The current members of the freshman and sophomore classes have combined for nine goals, 14 assists and 23 points in 183 career games. That is the worst total in Hockey East, 66 points fewer than the next lowest total produced by Boston College’s freshmen and sophomores (38-51-89 in 203 games). Maine’s freshmen and sophomores are averaging .126 points per game. Vermont is the next-lowest in that category, averaging .307 points-per-game from its freshmen and sophomores.

That’s not to say the freshmen and sophomores aren’t valuable in other ways. They work hard and are resourceful third and fourth liners.

They just aren’t yet point-producers.

And goaltender Scott Darling’s second-half collapses and off-ice issues that resulted in his leaving after the 2009-2010 season have been problematic.

Freshmen Dan Sullivan and Martin Ouellette and sophomore Shawn Sirman struggled with consistency a year ago and Sirman left the program.

To his credit, Sullivan has provided the Black Bears with better goaltending this season. His 3.11 goals-against average and .894 save percentage are misleading. He has played better than his stats reveal.

Maine is still holding out hope Ouellette can economize his movement and become a steady stand-up goalie who it can trust to spell Sullivan or earn equal playing time.

Head coach Tim Whitehead’s Black Bears have a slim margin of error.

They will need Sullivan and-or Ouellete to provide them with consistently good goaltending.

Then they must find some supplemental scoring and will have to stay out of the penalty box.

The second line comprised of juniors Kyle Beattie, Adam Shemansky and Matt Mangene has to start scoring. They have five even-strength goals between them.

Sophomore Mark Anthoine has been a pleasant surprise with four goals, all on the power play, and the freshman class, highlighted by center Stu Higgins, shows promise.

Senior Theo Andersson (0 points) and junior Klas Leidermark (2 goals, 1 assist) have been useful on the penalty kill but if they aren’t able to chip in offensively, Whitehead will have to decide whether their penalty-killing and defensive capabilities are enough to keep them in the lineup ahead of possible point-producing freshmen Andrew Cerretani, Connor Leen and John Parker.

The defense corps has been respectable if unspectacular with the improvement in senior Ryan Hegarty and junior Nick Pryor serving as important developments. But when they moved speedy one-man breakout Mangene up front, it has become more important that the forwards continue to back-check tenaciously with intelligence and purpose to help out the defense.

The Bears’ eight-game January schedule includes a home game with Vermont, the Fenway Park game against New Hampshire and a brutal stretch which sees them sandwich visits to Merrimack and Boston University for two-game series around a two-game home set with BC.

The top line and the nation’s seventh-best power play should be enough to keep Maine out of ninth place. But fourth is a definite stretch.
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

The top line and the nation’s seventh-best power play should be enough to keep Maine out of ninth place. But fourth is a definite stretch.

It's sad that this is what UMaine hockey has basically come to.
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

It's sad that this is what UMaine hockey has basically come to.
Thats why this kind of thinking has to go...the saying should be each and every year...If you come to Maine you play for Championships,not 7th or 8th place in Hockey East...you play to have Home Ice in the Quarterfinals and expect to go to Boston for the Semi's/Finals and a bid in the NCAA's...lofty goals are what Maine Hockey was and should get back to being..... NOT excuses and endless writeups of what "IF's"
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

I've heard a couple places that Timmay's contract has a buy-out clause after this year. Expect it to be exercised.
I hope your right...but a word of caution...remember this Contract was worked out thru former A.D. Blake James and former President Kennedy...either way TW has no business coming back...one way or another Fire him or Buy him out,but this B.S. has to end and get back to rebuilding and retooling UMaine into being a solid program again.
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Problems with secondary recruiting make Maine middle-of-the-pack team
By Larry Mahoney, BDN Staff
Posted Dec. 19, 2011, at 6:37 p.m.

At around 10:00 on the night of Jan. 28, 2012, we will know exactly what the stretch run for the University of Maine’s men’s hockey team will be comprised of.

We will know whether the Black Bears will still be in the hunt for third or fourth place or looking at fifth-through-ninth.

Vermont’s last-place Catamounts, with just three points in 11 league games, appear doomed unless they can make a dramatic turnaround.

So what have we learned about this 6-7-2 Maine team (5-6-1 in Hockey East) so far?

The Black Bears are a middle-of-the-pack team.

They are overmatched against Boston College and were clearly inferior to Boston University. However, Boston University has since lost one of the nation’s leading goal scorers, Corey Trivino, who was arrested for an alleged sexual assault, along with first-round NHL draft choice and Hockey East Rookie of the Year Charlie Coyle, who left school to concentrate solely on hockey.

Maine can compete with the other seven teams in the league, including Merrimack, and it should be more competitive with BU now.

Maine has one of the nation’s premier lines in seniors Spencer Abbott and Brian Flynn and junior Joey Diamond. Each of them is ranked in the top 10 in the nation in at least one offensive category.

They have accounted for 25 of Maine’s 46 goals and 17 of the 28 even-strength goals.

But that means Maine has received only 11 even-strength goals from the rest of the team.

That isn’t good enough if the Bears have any aspirations of finishing in the top four in Hockey East.

At the root of the problem is Maine’s secondary recruiting.

The coaching staff has recruited diligently and the program wouldn’t be mired in its current dilemma, with no NCAA Tournament appearances in four years, if players who verbally committed had honored their commitment.

But when they lost players to Major Junior Hockey League teams, such as first-round NHL draft pick and 34-goal scorer Austin Watson (Peterborough, Ontario Hockey League last year), Darcy Ashley (39 points for Halifax in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League) and defenseman Kevin Gagne (32 points for Saint John, QMJHL), they weren’t able to secure players with comparable skill sets to supply supplemental scoring.

It is a problem all college programs face these days.

The current members of the freshman and sophomore classes have combined for nine goals, 14 assists and 23 points in 183 career games. That is the worst total in Hockey East, 66 points fewer than the next lowest total produced by Boston College’s freshmen and sophomores (38-51-89 in 203 games). Maine’s freshmen and sophomores are averaging .126 points per game. Vermont is the next-lowest in that category, averaging .307 points-per-game from its freshmen and sophomores.

That’s not to say the freshmen and sophomores aren’t valuable in other ways. They work hard and are resourceful third and fourth liners.

They just aren’t yet point-producers.

And goaltender Scott Darling’s second-half collapses and off-ice issues that resulted in his leaving after the 2009-2010 season have been problematic.

Freshmen Dan Sullivan and Martin Ouellette and sophomore Shawn Sirman struggled with consistency a year ago and Sirman left the program.

To his credit, Sullivan has provided the Black Bears with better goaltending this season. His 3.11 goals-against average and .894 save percentage are misleading. He has played better than his stats reveal.

Maine is still holding out hope Ouellette can economize his movement and become a steady stand-up goalie who it can trust to spell Sullivan or earn equal playing time.

Head coach Tim Whitehead’s Black Bears have a slim margin of error.

They will need Sullivan and-or Ouellete to provide them with consistently good goaltending.

Then they must find some supplemental scoring and will have to stay out of the penalty box.

The second line comprised of juniors Kyle Beattie, Adam Shemansky and Matt Mangene has to start scoring. They have five even-strength goals between them.

Sophomore Mark Anthoine has been a pleasant surprise with four goals, all on the power play, and the freshman class, highlighted by center Stu Higgins, shows promise.

Senior Theo Andersson (0 points) and junior Klas Leidermark (2 goals, 1 assist) have been useful on the penalty kill but if they aren’t able to chip in offensively, Whitehead will have to decide whether their penalty-killing and defensive capabilities are enough to keep them in the lineup ahead of possible point-producing freshmen Andrew Cerretani, Connor Leen and John Parker.

The defense corps has been respectable if unspectacular with the improvement in senior Ryan Hegarty and junior Nick Pryor serving as important developments. But when they moved speedy one-man breakout Mangene up front, it has become more important that the forwards continue to back-check tenaciously with intelligence and purpose to help out the defense.

The Bears’ eight-game January schedule includes a home game with Vermont, the Fenway Park game against New Hampshire and a brutal stretch which sees them sandwich visits to Merrimack and Boston University for two-game series around a two-game home set with BC.

The top line and the nation’s seventh-best power play should be enough to keep Maine out of ninth place. But fourth is a definite stretch.
The development of Nick Pryor.........???? With the lofty +1 rating...He could be play a whole game with eggs in his pocket and they would all be in one piece at the end.....All that PP time and not much to show for it....Would love to have seen a healthy Kellen Corkum out there......could have been a dominant presence.....Theo Andersen......seems like a case of justifying a scholarship...I picked him, he must be good, so I need to play him... Let's hope the turn of the year brings new energy.......
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Looking at the remaining schedule, I'm thinking it's a pretty safe bet that Maine will end up with 12 wins this season, give or take...That wouldn't be intolerable if the program was truly rebuilding, but how you gonna rebuild anything without a competent architect on the payroll?

I'm planning to follow my D-3 team instead; it's a much more rewarding use of my time and money. (And I'll watch Jimmy and Teddy, et al, play in the bigs, just for the sake of nostalgia.)
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Looking at the remaining schedule, I'm thinking it's a pretty safe bet that Maine will end up with 12 wins this season, give or take...That wouldn't be intolerable if the program was truly rebuilding, but how you gonna rebuild anything without a competent architect on the payroll?

I'm planning to follow my D-3 team instead; it's a much more rewarding use of my time and money. (And I'll watch Jimmy and Teddy, et al, play in the bigs, just for the sake of nostalgia.)
Well don't tune UMaine Hockey out forever,hopefully by this Spring (late March/1st part of April) the direction/focus will change and the real Rebuilding and Positive aspect will return to the UMaine Team & Program...thats "HOPEFULLY...!!"
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

The development of Nick Pryor.........???? With the lofty +1 rating...He could be play a whole game with eggs in his pocket and they would all be in one piece at the end.....All that PP time and not much to show for it....Would love to have seen a healthy Kellen Corkum out there......could have been a dominant presence.....Theo Andersen......seems like a case of justifying a scholarship...I picked him, he must be good, so I need to play him... Let's hope the turn of the year brings new energy.......

hegarty is the one that blows my mind. freight train playing 1/10 as tough as Bret Tyler heck 1/10 as tough as Leveille/Damon or pretty much on par with Keenan Hopson

Pryor plays like he has had many concussions.. like Reimann... I cannot falut HIM (or timmy for the way pryor plays)
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Off topic a bit......but has anybody heard anything about the possibility of a third jersey or some type of variation for te Fenway game? Just curious.
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

One-time Maine commit Austin Watson has made the final cut for the USA World Jr's. squad. GO USA!
 
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

TIMMAY's too worried about internet nutcases to pay attention to what is going on with the team.
 
TIMMAY's too worried about internet nutcases to pay attention to what is going on with the team.

Funny was in Orono today and ran into a few of the alumi association and they were asking why I hadn't been up etc. Said until Tim is gone.......they all said can't comment on that! Wonder if that's a good sign or bad?
 
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